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  1. abel920's Avatar
    I just don't understand why they can't have both options for manufacturers to choose from. They like to make lives more difficult for the users, by eliminating things that THEY think are no longer needed, nor no longer useful to us. Because of this, I'm not going to buy any more Lumia phones. Instead I will buy my friends' 1520 for $290, which is brand new (except for a little chipped corner), and practically runs faster than the 640XL. I am going to enjoy this phone a whole lot more because it's 6", AND has capacitive buttons WHICH does not take 1 inch off the screen. The 950XL costs $838, and for that price you better get the screen real estate you PAID for. Well you are but with a huge hassle. I don't care if you say "just swipe it" and it will go away. Noooo, swiping it is the most cumbersome thing to do. Yes, I'm whining about it and complaining.. But come on.. for a flagship device, I better get a premium hardware experience, not some software junk we call on-screen buttons.

    I get them though.. everyone knows that the Surface phone is imminent, so maybe that's why they're giving Lumias a lot less attention, and secretly working in their evil (I mean genius) basement and creating the masterpiece that we know as Surface Phone, which may come out in 2016!

    [/endrant]
    09-30-2015 08:02 PM
  2. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Don't pay $290 for your friends 1520 with a chipped corner, go to Expansys and buy a B stock 1520 for $180
    09-30-2015 08:04 PM
  3. xandros9's Avatar
    wow, I would think on-screen buttons stole your candy.

    You know, the screen could be larger with no buttons to make room for potentially, ever think that's a thing?

    Honestly, on-screen buttons is so common in the high end... BB Priv, Moto X, any recent Nexus, HTC One M8...

    I think its more elegant without tbh.
    09-30-2015 08:08 PM
  4. P1ng0fDeath's Avatar
    Although i do prefer capacitive buttons, my only gripe with on-screen ones are their presence on Amoled screens: Burn-ins are still a thing on this kind of display. I really think they should keep them to LCDs only.
    seq1 and taymur like this.
    09-30-2015 08:09 PM
  5. someone2639's Avatar
    It depends on how they look. If they can make it accessible with a huge finger and make it look good, I'm all in. But they're just nav buttons so I personally couldn't care less about where the buttons that I only press like 3 times an app will be.
    09-30-2015 08:20 PM
  6. abel920's Avatar
    Don't pay $290 for your friends 1520 with a chipped corner, go to Expansys and buy a B stock 1520 for $180
    Lumia 1520 is no longer available, though.
    09-30-2015 08:55 PM
  7. elindalyne's Avatar
    Capacitive buttons add a significant amount of thickness to the phones... On screen buttons allows them to thin the phone down a bit. To put this in perspective the iPhone 6's have the same size screens, but will be bigger dimension wise.
    09-30-2015 09:08 PM
  8. ariker01's Avatar
    I don't understand why capacitive buttons are needed. On screen buttons you can swipe up and have a full screen view. When you need them, swipe up and they appear so you can use the home or back button.
    09-30-2015 09:34 PM
  9. Big Papa Smurf's Avatar
    The 950XL costs $838

    [/endrant]
    I didn't know they released the prices
    09-30-2015 09:35 PM
  10. EMINENT 1's Avatar
    Hallelujah! To on-screen buttons....

    I hated hitting those capacitive buttons on accident multiple times a day or while gaming.

    Good riddance.

    Thank you, Microsoft!
    10-01-2015 12:32 AM
  11. Satyendra Nair's Avatar
    The on screen buttons actually work better for people who do a lot of editing and game, or read e-books on their phones. They can be hidden, prevent accidental touches, and can be, to some extent, customised.

    On screen buttons for the win!
    libra89, Ed Boland, rmeigs and 1 others like this.
    10-01-2015 01:02 AM
  12. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I don't understand why capacitive buttons are needed. On screen buttons you can swipe up and have a full screen view. When you need them, swipe up and they appear so you can use the home or back button.
    I don't want to swipe my buttons up and down all day. Plus, I don't like the way they look. I feel like many people are defending them only because that's what Microsoft chose to go with. If they had retained capacitive buttons, everyone would be saying "they're the best type."
    10-01-2015 01:36 AM
  13. tmaier's Avatar
    I absolutely agree. I'm not getting any of the new Lumias for this reason only - the only way I would be willing to stomach on-screen navigation buttons is if my 930 died and I was looking for a cheap replacement such as 640.
    10-01-2015 01:41 AM
  14. Zulfigar's Avatar
    So I connected my Bluetooth Arc Mouse to my Lumia 920, and I can't figure out how to go back, use home, or use Cortana? Is there a way?

    The reason I'm saying this is because with on-screen buttons, at least then the buttons are (go figure) on-screen and I'll be able to get there with them if I had a Lumia 950 that was connected to a large TV, for lets say a presentation. Where as if they were captive, I'm not sure if they would show up. Yeah, sure, captive could be the best set of buttons, but these phones are for continuum, and if captive buttons doesn't work, then it just doesn't work.
    10-01-2015 02:12 AM
  15. tmaier's Avatar
    So I connected my Bluetooth Arc Mouse to my Lumia 920, and I can't figure out how to go back, use home, or use Cortana? Is there a way?

    The reason I'm saying this is because with on-screen buttons, at least then the buttons are (go figure) on-screen and I'll be able to get there with them if I had a Lumia 950 that was connected to a large TV, for lets say a presentation. Where as if they were captive, I'm not sure if they would show up. Yeah, sure, captive could be the best set of buttons, but these phones are for continuum, and if captive buttons doesn't work, then it just doesn't work.
    What is the reason why on-screen buttons could not be set to come up in certain circumstances? It's a silly reason for not having capacitive buttons what you're talking about can be easily fixed with software.
    Last edited by tmaier; 10-01-2015 at 03:51 AM.
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    10-01-2015 03:14 AM
  16. xandros9's Avatar
    I don't want to swipe my buttons up and down all day. Plus, I don't like the way they look. I feel like many people are defending them only because that's what Microsoft chose to go with. If they had retained capacitive buttons, everyone would be saying "they're the best type."
    nah, I didn't really care before, but after trying a 635 I noticed some pluses: (but I wouldn't base my decision around them)

    didn't blind me at night like my 920's and 830's keys would.

    they make for a much cleaner device face

    the 635 didn't allow the bar to be hidden during normal usage actually. and the option can be turned off on devices where it can.

    although the proximity to the keyboard is a potential issue

    it's the go-to solution for most of the market so it's not that weird, I think the aversion here stems from the original use of the virtual keys as a cheapo measure despite Android use.
    libra89, realwarder and pankaj981 like this.
    10-01-2015 06:30 AM
  17. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Making two versions of a phone with the only difference being physical or on-screen buttons would raise the cost of both.

    Every product is the result of a massive list of compromises.

    I much prefer on-screen buttons. So if MS put physical buttons on a model, you might buy one but it would make someone else pass. That's part of the choices a manufacturer makes. Or maybe on screen is cheaper to build and their research tells them more people would pass up a more expensive phone than would pass for not having physical buttons.

    If it helps think of the non-obvious benefits of on-screen buttons. Like when your grandmother calls you on her landline because she can't figure out how to do something on her new Windows phone and you tell her to press the left arrow button and she can't figure it out because she's holding it in landscape and only has a down arrow because a physical button can't rotate the arrow direction. On screen buttons would have saved you 10 minutes and 20 blood pressure points.
    libra89, JPDVM2014 and xandros9 like this.
    10-01-2015 06:40 AM
  18. Panathas's Avatar
    I love onscreen buttons. Physical buttons feel so...2010. The optimal case would be have the complete front by a big screen.
    10-01-2015 06:57 AM
  19. libra89's Avatar
    It's to the point that I find myself debating if I should get another Lumia without them. They aren't a huge deal, but it's so different to go from feeling where the buttons are in dim light over being able to see them, and they don't blind you.
    Note that I am speaking as a low/midrange user, and I have no want or uses for a flagship.
    xandros9 and JoyfullJuneBug like this.
    10-01-2015 07:29 AM
  20. Richpl's Avatar
    I agree, not a fan of having to swipe up just for buttons to appear. I've tested both and like having them on my 930
    JoyfullJuneBug likes this.
    10-01-2015 08:53 AM
  21. realwarder's Avatar
    I'm all for on screen controls. My 920 blinded me too watching videos due to the lights not going off. And on my 830 the search button is temperamental. No such issues on a 640.

    More flexible, cheaper and more reliable.
    10-01-2015 09:35 AM
  22. colinkiama's Avatar
    I just don't understand why they can't have both options for manufacturers to choose from. They like to make lives more difficult for the users, by eliminating things that THEY think are no longer needed, nor no longer useful to us. Because of this, I'm not going to buy any more Lumia phones. Instead I will buy my friends' 1520 for $290, which is brand new (except for a little chipped corner), and practically runs faster than the 640XL. I am going to enjoy this phone a whole lot more because it's 6", AND has capacitive buttons WHICH does not take 1 inch off the screen. The 950XL costs $838, and for that price you better get the screen real estate you PAID for. Well you are but with a huge hassle. I don't care if you say "just swipe it" and it will go away. Noooo, swiping it is the most cumbersome thing to do. Yes, I'm whining about it and complaining.. But come on.. for a flagship device, I better get a premium hardware experience, not some software junk we call on-screen buttons.

    I get them though.. everyone knows that the Surface phone is imminent, so maybe that's why they're giving Lumias a lot less attention, and secretly working in their evil (I mean genius) basement and creating the masterpiece that we know as Surface Phone, which may come out in 2016!

    [/endrant]

    You know you can hide one screen buttons with one swipe from the bottom right? You're overreacting
    libra89 likes this.
    10-01-2015 09:42 AM
  23. Alfa Kapa's Avatar
    Once you use double tap between the buttons in order to lock the device, then you'll be stuck ;)
    It is as addictive as the double tap to wake!

    Also the title of this post is like the worst..
    HEY! HEY! LOOK AT MEE, I DON'T LIKE ON SCREEN BUTTOOOONS!!
    10-01-2015 10:08 AM
  24. mewcatchew's Avatar
    I really didn't like the on-screen buttons on the 635; you couldn't get rid of them like if watching a video. But on 8.1 update 2 (on 640 at least) you can swipe up to hide navigation bar. I personally think it's a cleaner interface, less things to potentially break.
    10-01-2015 10:39 AM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    I really didn't like the on-screen buttons on the 635; you couldn't get rid of them like if watching a video. But on 8.1 update 2 (on 640 at least) you can swipe up to hide navigation bar.
    Are you saying that WP's on screen buttons do not hide automatically? That's weird. I currently have a 920 so I am not familiar with WP's implementation of them.
    10-01-2015 10:50 AM
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