1. Manu Sekhri1's Avatar
    Have some friends that buy Data only plans on their iOS and Android phones and use SIP clients and texting apps exclusively.

    I have tried Zoiper and it does not work in the background or have a push server to receive calls and prompt, it also does not seem to send/receive SMS messages well.

    I am in Canada so if someone is doing this and can post some guidance it would be sincerely appreciated.

    Thanks!
    09-25-2016 10:23 PM
  2. anthonyng's Avatar
    ha I was just asking the same thing last week about who uses voip full time...

    I thought zoiper had push from reading their stuff... I never got to try it. I'm tempted because of the Fido $15/3gb tablet plan. I actually have it now, but I'm too chicken to go full voip yet so I still have traditional cell service with rogers. Bottom line, my bill is still cheaper by 30$... maybe when I'm more clear about voip I'll cut the traditional cell service line!

    My cousin was telling me about use voip.ms and zoiper on his android and how sms he would still need to use voip.ms portal or apps to access them.
    09-25-2016 10:29 PM
  3. anthonyng's Avatar
    I have tried Zoiper and it does not work in the background or have a push server to receive calls and prompt,
    Actually on this point... maybe you should try going into battery settings and setting Zoiper to NOT let windows manage but always be running in the background or something. Doing something similar to the health app made notifications and cortana for my band2 work way better.
    09-25-2016 10:32 PM
  4. Manu Sekhri1's Avatar
    I got the same Fido Plan.

    I have a freephoneline.ca account, so it includes voicemail.

    The key is the VoIP client, right now I am using Zoiper but it only really works well on outbound calling. It also does not route voice calls through Bluetooth which sucks while driving.

    Hoping more people like yourself can contribute and we can crack this nut in Windows 10 Mobile...

    ha I was just asking the same thing last week about who uses voip full time...

    I thought zoiper had push from reading their stuff... I never got to try it. I'm tempted because of the Fido $15/3gb tablet plan. I actually have it now, but I'm too chicken to go full voip yet so I still have traditional cell service with rogers. Bottom line, my bill is still cheaper by 30$... maybe when I'm more clear about voip I'll cut the traditional cell service line!

    My cousin was telling me about use voip.ms and zoiper on his android and how sms he would still need to use voip.ms portal or apps to access them.
    09-25-2016 10:40 PM
  5. Manu Sekhri1's Avatar
    Will do, thanks...

    Actually on this point... maybe you should try going into battery settings and setting Zoiper to NOT let windows manage but always be running in the background or something. Doing something similar to the health app made notifications and cortana for my band2 work way better.
    09-25-2016 10:40 PM
  6. anthonyng's Avatar
    Hoping more people like yourself can contribute and we can crack this nut in Windows 10 Mobile...
    Really looking forward to your experience and findings, hope you provide a lot of feedback to zoiper :)
    09-26-2016 01:28 AM
  7. daimv's Avatar
    I thin SMS do not count as "data" so it is normal that they wouldn't work in a "data only" plan. In that case you can use WhatsApp, Skype, Line, Facebook Messenger, etc to send messages or make calls.
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    09-26-2016 12:53 PM
  8. daimv's Avatar
    Originally posted by daimv
    I thin SMS do not count as "data" so it is normal that they wouldn't work in a "data only" plan. In that case you can use WhatsApp, Skype, Line, Facebook Messenger, etc to send messages or make calls.
    Also Skype lets you make calls to real phones (but not for free of course).
    09-26-2016 12:54 PM
  9. daimv's Avatar
    Wait I get it, you want a client to route sms as well as calls? I think skype works well enough for calls, but I don't know about sms :v
    09-26-2016 12:56 PM
  10. Manu Sekhri1's Avatar
    Need a good SIP client that has a push server and can deal with incoming/outgoing text messaging.

    I already have a VoIP service with freephoneline.ca

    It seems like there are only two choices, Zoiper and Linphone -- can someone share thoughts?

    Wait I get it, you want a client to route sms as well as calls? I think skype works well enough for calls, but I don't know about sms :v
    09-28-2016 05:06 AM
  11. eKeith's Avatar
    I'm also looking for a good uncluttered SIP client. I use the VoIP.ms service.
    09-28-2016 06:05 AM
  12. anthonyng's Avatar
    I'm also looking for a good uncluttered SIP client. I use the VoIP.ms service.
    How has that been working out for you? background push issues?
    09-29-2016 02:25 PM
  13. Manu Sekhri1's Avatar
    I have been using Zoiper pretty successfully but the background push does not work and it does not have the ability to route sound over Bluetooth....

    For texting, TextMe seems to be the only solution...
    10-02-2016 12:17 AM
  14. Manu Sekhri1's Avatar
    TextNow is the ideal solution but the calling function is not working :(
    anthonyng likes this.
    10-05-2016 08:37 PM
  15. Scott Haner's Avatar
    Likewise, In Canada, I've used Zoiper and LinPhone with good success, Zoiper on both Windows Phone 8.1 and Windows "Mobile" 10 on a Lumia 650 works great for Outbound calling. In Windows Phone 8.1, routing the SIP # to ring my LinPhone account worked perfect, 95% of the time from sleep LinPhone would wake up and ring like a regular phone within the first ring.

    However, since Anniversary Update, LinPhone now looks like it just pops a single Toast notification and notification length sound when it's ringing, instead of ringing like a regular phone the whole time. There does not appear to be any setting anywhere to let it act like a phone and bring the full app to the front, or maintain the notification and ringtone for the duration of the incoming call attempt. So it still comes through 95% of the time, but can easily be brushed off as any other notification if not looking at the phone, as even selecting a ringtone length audio file for the notification sound, it only plays the first second of that sound until the Toast/Pop-Down notification goes away.

    Conversely, on my wifes iPad, where it used to be atrocious, the updated LinPhone app all now perfectly wakes up and rings to her iPad like a phone for the entire duration of the call attempt. Given Alarm apps and the like on Windows 10 on Lumia stay in front correctly until dismissed, I'm sure some developer option exists to update LinPhone to allow it to keep ringing/notifying instead of just the single toast notification.

    As for Zoiper, I use it for outbound only, as lately on Windows Phone/Mobile, it only rings on incoming calls if the app is open and on top, and on iOS, it just never receives calls...ever, even when it's awake and on the screen.

    For text, I mostly use services like Whatapp and FB Messanger with regular contacts, and if anyone texts my SIP Phone #, it treats it like a regular "Text to LandLine" service, so the sender knows it does not really support SMS/Txt, even though I still get a voicemail with a Text to Speech version of the SMS.
    anthonyng likes this.
    01-06-2017 10:15 AM
  16. anthonyng's Avatar
    sucks to not be able to really depend on sip/voip on windows
    01-09-2017 04:32 PM
  17. eKeith's Avatar
    sucks to not be able to really depend on sip/voip on windows
    Agreed. This is a major shortcoming. How can we encourage Microsoft to include a native SIP client?
    01-10-2017 07:39 AM
  18. anthonyng's Avatar
    @Scott Haner @Manu Sekhri1 You still around? Still doing voip over windows? Any improvements?
    05-04-2017 10:26 AM

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