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  1. RTGent's Avatar
    With respect to which, and especially where I'll be buying, holiday return dates may play a role. I hope Microsoft sets the pace here. I remember buying my first RT in early November and having until Jan 31st to return it. I believe bestbuy is Jan 15th, but excludes phones; while B&H is Feb 1, and does not. I could see myself trying the XL for 60 days, and down-sizing if I want. Or, trying both and returning one in one to several weeks.
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    11-11-2015 11:31 AM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    With respect to which, and especially where I'll be buying, holiday return dates may play a role. I hope Microsoft sets the pace here. I remember buying my first RT in early November and having until Jan 31st to return it. I believe bestbuy is Jan 15th, but excludes phones; while B&H is Feb 1, and does not. I could see myself trying the XL for 60 days, and down-sizing if I want. Or, trying both and returning one in one to several weeks.
    Or keep both and have a killer backup. Sell off the old kit.
    11-11-2015 11:34 AM
  3. smf98aggie's Avatar
    But, what you're forgetting is that your $15/month data fee then jumps to $40/month if you're on a shared plan.

    Yes that is exactly what you will be doing on AT&T Next. For example, I just picked up the 640 XL on the Next 18 plan. For an additional $10.42/month I'll be paying for the 640 XL with the option of upgrading in 18 months.

    On my paperwork, it clearly stated that I'll be paying off the $249.99 retail price in 24 monthly installments. The good thing about the next program is that you can pay it off early without and penalties for paying it of early. I plan on paying it off next month when I get my end of the year bonus from my job.
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    11-11-2015 04:18 PM
  4. Skyway's Avatar
    But, what you're forgetting is that your $15/month data fee then jumps to $40/month if you're on a shared plan.
    We've been over this. $40/line is only for on contract phones, then when the contract ends, it drops back down to $15/line

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    11-11-2015 06:13 PM
  5. ssapre's Avatar
    First, a phone can't become factory unlocked ........
    When I say factory unlocked I mean factory unlocked, and I am ware of what's the difference between a factory unlocked v/s carrier unlocked device. The RM-985 variant was sold unlocked directly from Microsoft in physical stores and online and it still hasn't received Update 2. The issue here is Microsoft does not provide the same level of support in the US as compared to other countries where it actually does better (no surprises there).
    I would agree to what Pankaj said. I had same with unlocked 1020 which I bought from MS. Being factory unlocked from MS doesnt mean that you would get the update when they declare it, sometimes you will have to wait even more than locked phones...
    11-11-2015 08:48 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I would agree to what Pankaj said. I had same with unlocked 1020 which I bought from MS. Being factory unlocked from MS doesnt mean that you would get the update when they declare it, sometimes you will have to wait even more than locked phones...
    My 1520.3 came late to the Denim party and some country variants of 1520 still only have Cyan...

    But Factory Unlocked is a better indicator than carrier branded for support by and large.
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    11-11-2015 09:45 PM
  7. pankaj981's Avatar
    My 1520.3 came late to the Denim party and some country variants of 1520 still only have Cyan...

    But Factory Unlocked is a better indicator than carrier branded for support by and large.
    Well I agree, unlocked is hands down better than a carrier variant. I meant an unlocked US country variant is not necessarily as better as other country variants. Your 1520.3 was mostly an LTA MX variant.
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    11-11-2015 11:20 PM
  8. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    By the way, the myAT&T app was updated today and now works on Win10M. Maybe release of the AT&T-branded 950 is imminent?
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    11-12-2015 05:58 PM
  9. jmajid's Avatar
    By the way, the myAT&T app was updated today and now works on Win10M. Maybe release of the AT&T-branded 950 is imminent?
    interesting my lumia 520 GoPhone that i use (unlocked) never had that app and doesnt have it now either...
    11-13-2015 10:42 AM
  10. smf98aggie's Avatar
    True, but with the added monthly phone payment added to it, it ends up being around that same amount anyway. Besides, AT&T likes to "price adjust" in their favor to offset the costs that you "think" you're saving, so you probably end up getting screwed either way. I'm sure most everyone on here would agree that AT&T (or any other phone company), couldn't give two sh!ts whether the consumer is getting a good deal or not. All they want is their money, and they're not real worried about hiding that notion from us anymore. I just don't trust those NEXT plans, but I did see that you said you were going to be getting the 950 on the NEXT plan when they came out. I'd definitely be interested to see how that goes for you, and what actual fees they tack on to your bill. I want to get one too, and I definitely don't want to pay $550 for one (especially this close to Xmas), but from my research, it seems like the best way to go....for me at least. Please keep us posted after you get it.

    We've been over this. $40/line is only for on contract phones, then when the contract ends, it drops back down to $15/line

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    11-16-2015 11:10 AM
  11. Skyway's Avatar
    True, but with the added monthly phone payment added to it, it ends up being around that same amount anyway. Besides, AT&T likes to "price adjust" in their favor to offset the costs that you "think" you're saving, so you probably end up getting screwed either way. I'm sure most everyone on here would agree that AT&T (or any other phone company), couldn't give two sh!ts whether the consumer is getting a good deal or not. All they want is their money, and they're not real worried about hiding that notion from us anymore. I just don't trust those NEXT plans, but I did see that you said you were going to be getting the 950 on the NEXT plan when they came out. I'd definitely be interested to see how that goes for you, and what actual fees they tack on to your bill. I want to get one too, and I definitely don't want to pay $550 for one (especially this close to Xmas), but from my research, it seems like the best way to go....for me at least. Please keep us posted after you get it.
    I am currently using an HTC M8 (android) that I got through ATT Next. Personally I think it is a lot better than 2 year contracts (buying outright saves you money, it's just too much for me upfront).

    The way they used to do it was you would pay somewhere around $150-200 for a flagship phone with a 2 year contract. If it was a $600 phone, they don't sell it to you for 200 and then eat the cost, the rest is subsidized into your monthly bill. The problem was that when you finally did pay off the phone, your monthly bill WOULDN'T go down. They also buried the phone payments so you had no idea that you were even paying that (a lot of my friends and family didn't understand or believe this is how it was).

    The Next contract works a lot better imo. You don't have a contract on your service plan, just on your phone. You pay taxes up front, nothing else. No activation fee, nothing. If you want to pay it off early, you can, and then you own your phone outright and can do whatever you want with it. When you pay off the phone, your phone contract is done and your monthly bill is now $25(or whatever your phone payment was) cheaper. The installment plan is also interest free.
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    11-16-2015 11:50 AM
  12. smf98aggie's Avatar
    Hmm....I may have to give that another thought then. My only problem is that my wife pays our phone bill, so she may get pissed if I add another $25-30/month onto the bill. lol ;D


    I am currently using an HTC M8 (android) that I got through ATT Next. Personally I think it is a lot better than 2 year contracts (buying outright saves you money, it's just too much for me upfront).

    The way they used to do it was you would pay somewhere around $150-200 for a flagship phone with a 2 year contract. If it was a $600 phone, they don't sell it to you for 200 and then eat the cost, the rest is subsidized into your monthly bill. The problem was that when you finally did pay off the phone, your monthly bill WOULDN'T go down. They also buried the phone payments so you had no idea that you were even paying that (a lot of my friends and family didn't understand or believe this is how it was).

    The Next contract works a lot better imo. You don't have a contract on your service plan, just on your phone. You pay taxes up front, nothing else. No activation fee, nothing. If you want to pay it off early, you can, and then you own your phone outright and can do whatever you want with it. When you pay off the phone, your phone contract is done and your monthly bill is now $25(or whatever your phone payment was) cheaper. The installment plan is also interest free.
    11-16-2015 12:00 PM
  13. Skyway's Avatar
    Hmm....I may have to give that another thought then. My only problem is that my wife pays our phone bill, so she may get pissed if I add another $25-30/month onto the bill. lol ;D
    Yea, she might not be too happy about that lol.

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    11-16-2015 12:01 PM
  14. pankaj981's Avatar
    Well Next may be better than the traditional 2 year contract but how would you justify AT&T not pushing an update after 2 years for a flagship device whereas all other variants of the same phone are getting updates around the globe (before you say Insider I would like to clarify that firmware DOES make a huge difference)? And this is true for other carrier-Android-variants too (including flagships). The only difference between other manufactures and MS is MS is dedicated to push OS/firmware updates even after 3 years which most other manufacturers don't provide to even 1 year old phones. The ONLY manufacturer that wins here is Apple. If I would pay 600+ for a flagship I would rather buy it unlocked so I own it and not some carrier. Besides there are plenty of ways to buy the phone for a payment plan (sort of) on 0% interest but one has to explore such options. I really hope as MS starts exploring with high-end products they do tie up with financing companies to come up with affordable payment options, similar to how Apple does with Barclays.
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    11-16-2015 08:19 PM
  15. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Well Next may be better than the traditional 2 year contract but how would you justify AT&T not pushing an update after 2 years for a flagship device whereas all other variants of the same phone are getting updates around the globe (before you say Insider I would like to clarify that firmware DOES make a huge difference)? And this is true for other carrier-Android-variants too (including flagships). The only difference between other manufactures and MS is MS is dedicated to push OS/firmware updates even after 3 years which most other manufacturers don't provide to even 1 year old phones. The ONLY manufacturer that wins here is Apple. If I would pay 600+ for a flagship I would rather buy it unlocked so I own it and not some carrier. Besides there are plenty of ways to buy the phone for a payment plan (sort of) on 0% interest but one has to explore such options. I really hope as MS starts exploring with high-end products they do tie up with financing companies to come up with affordable payment options, similar to how Apple does with Barclays.
    Not to mention, Next seems to require a commitment to use AT&T for a long time (varies by Next plan but always a LONG time). Next vs. unlocked is like: Judge says "30 dollars fine or 30 days in jail." Next customer says: "I'll take the 30 days for sure"!

    WAKE UP people.
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    11-17-2015 08:38 AM
  16. Skyway's Avatar
    Not to mention, Next seems to require a commitment to use AT&T for a long time (varies by Next plan but always a LONG time). Next vs. unlocked is like: Judge says "30 dollars fine or 30 days in jail." Next customer says: "I'll take the 30 days for sure"!

    WAKE UP people.
    No, Next would be like this: judge says you have a fine. You can pay it upfront or you can make payments. If you pay upfront, it only costs you $30, if you make payments, it's going to cost $35.

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    11-17-2015 11:41 AM
  17. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    No, Next would be like this: judge says you have a fine. You can pay it upfront or you can make payments. If you pay upfront, it only costs you $30, if you make payments, it's going to cost $35.
    No, it would be a fine (full price) or a fine (initial down payment + fees) AND time in jail (length of time you can't switch carriers).
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    11-17-2015 11:43 AM
  18. Skyway's Avatar
    No, it would be a fine (full price) or a fine (initial down payment + fees) AND time in jail (length of time you can't switch carriers).
    I can switch carriers any time I want by paying off my devices. We're talking about Next, not a 2 year contract. There is no down payment on Next. The payments are also interest free.

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    11-17-2015 11:49 AM
  19. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    No, Next would be like this: judge says you have a fine. You can pay it upfront or you can make payments. If you pay upfront, it only costs you $30, if you make payments, it's going to cost $35.
    No its like that EXCEPT you stay in jail while you make the payments! LoL
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    11-17-2015 12:23 PM
  20. Skyway's Avatar
    No its like that EXCEPT you stay in jail while you make the payments! LoL
    Ok, that sounds a little better. But honestly if you have no intention of switching carriers (like me), then it isn't really a jail. It's only holding you back if you want to/have to switch carriers.
    11-17-2015 12:27 PM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    No its like that EXCEPT you stay in jail while you make the payments! LoL
    Ok, that sounds a little better.
    Not to me.


    If this were sent from my phone it would have been sent from a purchased outright phone on an mvno not beholden to anyone for anything in terms of phone or service.
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    11-17-2015 01:38 PM
  22. Skyway's Avatar
    Not to me.


    If this were sent from my phone it would have been sent from a purchased outright phone on an mvno not beholden to anyone for anything in terms of phone or service.
    But you payed more for your phone than I will for mine ;)

    I am gonna trade my M8 in for the 950, and I still owe like $200 on it. So I didn't even pay full price for the phone and I got to use it for a year and half. Sure I have to trade it in, but with a shiny new 950, who cares?
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    11-17-2015 01:43 PM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    But you payed more for your phone than I will for mine ;)
    Did I? How?

    I got my 1520.3 outright for $485.

    And I never paid ATT rates so I saved every month.

    But just on the phone - they (ATT) are getting all the msrp out of you, just over time. If you trade in before all payments on NEXT, maybe you save. But you are stuck on the Hampster Wheel of being tied to a carrier on their terms... It is not indentured servitude, but indentured servicetude. And as for your Next trade in value. I can sell my phone anytime I want and cash out that way.

    Please provide me with some math to show where I paid more.
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    11-17-2015 01:59 PM
  24. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I got my 1520.3 outright for $485.
    FWIW, I also got more phone. My 1520 has 32GB internal storage, most ATT 1520s have 16. My 1520 has Qi wireless charging. ATT 1520s need an expensive, hard to find add on case to charge wirelessly. My 1520 had an extra frequency enabled on the 3G radio in addition to the all the same frequencies on all radios that ATT 1520s got. My 1520 was ready for any SIM at moment one and I never had to ask anyone can I please use my phone...
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    11-17-2015 02:05 PM
  25. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Ok, that sounds a little better. But honestly if you have no intention of switching carriers (like me), then it isn't really a jail. It's only holding you back if you want to/have to switch carriers.
    Ever date someone you thought you'd stay with for at least x months? Did it always turn out that way?

    In the long run its the ones who avoid more miscalculations or unnecessary risks who come out ahead. You may be as unlikely to switch carriers in the next x months as you are to die in a car crash. Doesn't mean you shouldn't wear a seat belt or should commit to payments you don't need to. But I'll defend your right to do either.
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    11-17-2015 02:08 PM
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