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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I assume this is referring to my third idea - to move WP over to the Android codebase. Correct? Well, there are pros and cons to that, as discussed in another thread. To be honest, I'm losing the will to argue about that one - gets too technical. So, I agree to drop it. Please forget about it - a truly terrible idea. You win on that one - well done!
    No I don't agree moving to the Android code base. That would just be stupid. More people code in C, C+, C++ and C#. The problem is getting them to start using their skills for WP.

    I'm not sure what clarification you need on my points? Please ask specific questions, then I can answer.
    If you could further back your assertions about Windows, which you've indicated you can't and I can't find anything to back my claims, so the topic is moot.

    So lets end it there. This whole thing was simply your opinion with no backing support. I still think you're a touch biased towards Windows but that's not uncommon. I still don't get why you're on this forum. You don't own anything MS so why bother?
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    09-27-2013 05:52 AM
  2. anony_mouse's Avatar
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    09-27-2013 06:16 AM
  3. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Post #39 - you brushed my opinion off because it was subjective in order to put across an opinion of you own - also subjective.
    I believe, Mr MC, that it is called discussion.

    I'm not even going to bother reading that wall of text either. You wasted 10 minutes of your life at what I can only assume is your attempt at sarcasm.
    That's probably wise. Is it wrong to admit that I had a lot of fun writing it? It was genuinely intended as humour, not sarcasm.

    Maybe you could have saved that time and used it more constructively by booting up your work computer
    That is a fabulous idea, my good fellow! The things I could achieve in those ten minutes, when added up day after day! Ha ha - I will learn to love Microsoft yet. :-)
    09-27-2013 06:25 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Oh Mr LaRUE, why do you torment me with my youthful follies?
    I'll take that as a compliment I guess. I think you'd be surprised how old some of us on here are.

    I already conceded this was a pitiful idea! What could I have been thinking? I can only prostrate myself in front of you and beg for your forgiveness. Could you find it in your heart, some small piece of humanity that you could yet direct at such a pathetic and worthless wretch?
    A bit much over the top don't you think?

    I chanced by this warm and inviting forum a few months ago, when I first considered buying a Windows Phone. Ah ha, I thought, here's a happy place full of charming and sophisticated individuals! Perhaps if I sneak in, I will learn from them through intellectual discourse and the free exchange of knowledge. One day, maybe they will even accept me as one of their own. Well, maybe that last point is too much to hope. I am not a very becoming person, I will freely admit. But I have passed some happy times here, and I hope, by the grace of God and the good citizens of this place, to pass some more.
    It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. We all try our best to be open minded here but I wouldn't say your points were well thought out. Opinions are fine. Just understand when they can be wrong. It's called learning.

    To give you a slight hint at my age. I've been using Windows since it's inception. I used DOS before that and I played Pong as a child. Just because someone comes off sounding young doesn't mean they are. Also I try to be light hearted when writing. Even when people annoy me.
    09-27-2013 06:34 AM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    The Windows brand may not be a big selling point for consumers, but I also don't think it's a bug deterrent. While "many" may view Windows unfavorably, there are "many" that view it favorably.

    On the desktop it's an extremely dominant brand.

    I believe that MS chooses to keep the name on phones is because of their roadmap of eventually unifying everything.

    To MS, everything is a PC. A phone is just a portable PC.
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    09-27-2013 06:37 AM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The Windows brand may not be a big selling point for consumers, but I also don't think it's a bug deterrent. While "many" may view Windows unfavorably, there are "many" that view it favorably.

    On the desktop it's an extremely dominant brand.

    I believe that MS chooses to keep the name on phones is because of their roadmap of eventually unifying everything.

    To MS, everything is a PC. A phone is just a portable PC.
    Well said.

    Do you know you have the same avatar as another user?
    09-27-2013 06:40 AM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    Well said.

    Do you know you have the same avatar as another user?
    I changed my username. I have no idea why my past posts (before the change) still have my old username. I would have figured it would automatically change.
    09-27-2013 06:43 AM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I changed my username. I have no idea why my past posts (before the change) still have my old username. I would have figured it would automatically change.
    Ah OK. Maybe talk to a mod.
    09-27-2013 06:46 AM
  9. anony_mouse's Avatar
    A bit much over the top don't you think?
    I strongly recommend a little creative writing every day. It's a lot of fun, although regrettably all too often frowned upon in the workplace.

    It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. We all try our best to be open minded here but I wouldn't say your points were well thought out. Opinions are fine. Just understand when they can be wrong. It's called learning.
    I'm still not clear what why some people seem to think that I don't know what I'm talking about. I assume you refer to my claim that my PC takes ten minutes to start? That is, unfortunately, true. I have never claimed this was a typical experience, or that it was Microsoft's fault. In fact, I'm fairly confident that it's largely the fault of my company's IT department. However, it is not an uncommon experience, at least for those I talk to in the corporate world. But clearly it was not a good example, as it made people focus on PC start up times (which is not a particularly interesting subject) and not on whether Windows Phone could be more successful if it had a different name.
    I still wonder whether, for example, 'Xbox phones' would sell better. Sadly, no one has yet offered their view on this.

    To give you a slight hint at my age. I've been using Windows since it's inception. I used DOS before that and I played Pong as a child. Just because someone comes off sounding young doesn't mean they are. Also I try to be light hearted when writing. Even when people annoy me.
    Well, you can beat even my long experience with Windows. I first used it with Windows 3.1 and have used it probably every day of my professional life since Windows NT 4. I've written drivers for Windows, received special builds of the OS from Microsoft to help support forthcoming features, and used it to write probably 10s of thousands of lines of code (perhaps more). I still have the developer tools installed on my work laptop, although sadly I rarely get to use them these days.
    So, I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have some experience of Windows. And I'm pretty aware of the pros and cons of the various platforms in use today. Perhaps I have weakness for provocative questions ... But also think they can be the most interesting. :-)
    09-27-2013 06:55 AM
  10. martinmc78's Avatar
    The Windows brand may not be a big selling point for consumers, but I also don't think it's a bug deterrent. While "many" may view Windows unfavorably, there are "many" that view it favorably.

    On the desktop it's an extremely dominant brand.

    I believe that MS chooses to keep the name on phones is because of their roadmap of eventually unifying everything.

    To MS, everything is a PC. A phone is just a portable PC.
    Windows fits the OS perfectly on all systems anyway - Even live tiles are windows into an app just as much as the application windows on desktop pc's

    Rebranding doesn't make any logical sense. Better marketing is all Windows needs.

    Show the consumers what the products can actually do compared to the competition and you get more consumers.
    More consumers = More Developers = More apps = More consumers.
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    09-27-2013 06:59 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I strongly recommend a little creative writing every day. It's a lot of fun, although regrettably all too often frowned upon in the workplace.
    Creative... ok.... I used to write bad poetry when I was younger but I tend to just work these days and enjoy life.

    I'm still not clear what why some people seem to think that I don't know what I'm talking about. I assume you refer to my claim that my PC takes ten minutes to start? That is, unfortunately, true. I have never claimed this was a typical experience, or that it was Microsoft's fault. In fact, I'm fairly confident that it's largely the fault of my company's IT department. However, it is not an uncommon experience, at least for those I talk to in the corporate world. But clearly it was not a good example, as it made people focus on PC start up times (which is not a particularly interesting subject) and not on whether Windows Phone could be more successful if it had a different name.
    I still wonder whether, for example, 'Xbox phones' would sell better. Sadly, no one has yet offered their view on this.
    I was referring to the idea of Windows, not your startup time. The idea is simple. Windows Phone, Windows RT and Windows OS will be unified. So calling them different names makes no sense. That's my point of you not understanding. Also you don't own a WP, not that you can't have an opinion, but you don't seem to get it.

    Well, you can beat even my long experience with Windows. I first used it with Windows 3.1 and have used it probably every day of my professional life since Windows NT 4. I've written drivers for Windows, received special builds of the OS from Microsoft to help support forthcoming features, and used it to write probably 10s of thousands of lines of code (perhaps more). I still have the developer tools installed on my work laptop, although sadly I rarely get to use them these days.
    So, I don't claim to be an expert, but I do have some experience of Windows. And I'm pretty aware of the pros and cons of the various platforms in use today. Perhaps I have weakness for provocative questions ... But also think they can be the most interesting. :-)
    I personally love technology. All of it. I love technology advancements and science. I favour Windows but I'm not going to bash any of the others because I believe to each their own.

    Provocative questions are one thing. I'm not sure yours came off that way.
    09-27-2013 07:11 AM
  12. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I was referring to the idea of Windows, not your startup time. The idea is simple. Windows Phone, Windows RT and Windows OS will be unified. So calling them different names makes no sense. That's my point of you not understanding. Also you don't own a WP, not that you can't have an opinion, but you don't seem to get it.
    That's a good point! I haven't seen anyone say that before on this thread! Well, except for post 61 directly above yours, so thanks to martinmc78 as well. :-) This is exactly the kind of discussion I was hoping to have.

    Now, if I may rebut, for the purposes of examining the idea. While acknowledging your opinion, I would like to respectfully suggest that although a unified system of PCs, tablets and phones is a very fine aim (and I can obviously see why Microsoft would want to go this way), it is more important (from Microsoft's perspective) to actually sell a decent number of each type of device. They are, after all, a corporation with shareholders, and they exist to make money for those shareholders. (*) Now, PCs are pretty well covered - no need for concern about Windows running on them. So far, tablets and phones have not been so successful. It seems to me that it's more urgent for Microsoft to get large numbers of tablets and phones into the market, than to preserve the purity of the brand. Otherwise the unified platform will not get off the ground, and perhaps others will build something more successful first.
    This leads us to the question of whether rebranding Windows Phone to, for example, Xbox phone (other suggestions are welcome) would help to increase sales. It seems I am in the minority here in thinking that it would, unless someone else would like to speak up?

    (*) The question of whether the primary purpose of a corporation is to make money for shareholders is an interesting one, but let's save that for another day.

    I personally love technology. All of it. I love technology advancements and science. I favour Windows but I'm not going to bash any of the others because I believe to each their own.
    Favouring a technology for objective reasons, or even subjective reasons (such as finding the UI aesthetically appealing) is fine, and I'm sure that's the case for you. On the other hand, I always find it hard to understand the "fanboy" mentality, which seems to me to be like supporting a football team - i.e. not a rational thing, but a purely emotional one. Actually, in some ways it's even worse. In the right context, football fans will usually readily admit, and even complain about at great length, the failings of their team. Technology fanboys will never admit the failings of their chosen system.
    (This comment is a digression, and not aimed at anyone here. I'm sure you all recognise what I'm saying.)

    Provocative questions are one thing. I'm not sure yours came off that way.
    Well, I can only apologise if that was the case. If it was, you can rest assured that I was taught a fine lesson by being ridiculed for my choice of desktop operating system, disbelieved in reporting of my PC start up time, and accused (no doubt with excellent justification) of being clickbait (%) and a technology journalist's wet dream (although that comment said more about the writer than the reader).

    (%): still not sure what 'clickbait' actually is.
    09-27-2013 07:49 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Now, if I may rebut, for the purposes of examining the idea. While acknowledging your opinion, I would like to respectfully suggest that although a unified system of PCs, tablets and phones is a very fine aim (and I can obviously see why Microsoft would want to go this way), it is more important (from Microsoft's perspective) to actually sell a decent number of each type of device. They are, after all, a corporation with shareholders, and they exist to make money for those shareholders. (*) Now, PCs are pretty well covered - no need for concern about Windows running on them. So far, tablets and phones have not been so successful. It seems to me that it's more urgent for Microsoft to get large numbers of tablets and phones into the market, than to preserve the purity of the brand. Otherwise the unified platform will not get off the ground, and perhaps others will build something more successful first.
    The idea of the unified system is to supposed to help this situation. The idea is to have an app store suitable for desktop, tablet and phone. I have a feeling, and this is just a feeling, that future versions of Windows desktop will move away from a desktop type of environment. This is just speculation I have nothing to back that up with. So with their system you would technically only need to write one app for all three systems.

    This leads us to the question of whether rebranding Windows Phone to, for example, Xbox phone (other suggestions are welcome) would help to increase sales. It seems I am in the minority here in thinking that it would, unless someone else would like to speak up?
    The issue here is that Xbox represents their entertainment arm. Which is where I think they want to keep it. If anything I think you would end up with a Surface Phone first.

    (*) The question of whether the primary purpose of a corporation is to make money for shareholders is an interesting one, but let's save that for another day.
    To most shareholders, yes it would seem that.

    Favouring a technology for objective reasons, or even subjective reasons (such as finding the UI aesthetically appealing) is fine, and I'm sure that's the case for you. On the other hand, I always find it hard to understand the "fanboy" mentality, which seems to me to be like supporting a football team - i.e. not a rational thing, but a purely emotional one. Actually, in some ways it's even worse. In the right context, football fans will usually readily admit, and even complain about at great length, the failings of their team. Technology fanboys will never admit the failings of their chosen system.
    (This comment is a digression, and not aimed at anyone here. I'm sure you all recognise what I'm saying.)
    Couldn't agree more. I think people should use what suits their needs.

    Well, I can only apologise if that was the case. If it was, you can rest assured that I was taught a fine lesson by being ridiculed for my choice of desktop operating system, disbelieved in reporting of my PC start up time, and accused (no doubt with excellent justification) of being clickbait (%) and a technology journalist's wet dream (although that comment said more about the writer than the reader).

    (%): still not sure what 'clickbait' actually is.
    clickbait = someone who clicks on online articles by tech journalist who purposely puts exaggerated titles to ensure people 'click' on them. Hence the 'wet dream' comment.

    There was no argument about your PC startup time, the issue was people got the impression you were using that as a subjective experience of Windows, which it isn't. Also, I don't know why you use Linux. You can download W8 you know.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 09-27-2013 at 08:20 AM.
    09-27-2013 08:09 AM
  14. Sanjay Kumar Singh's Avatar
    Aggressive marketing is the key to success. Microsoft should do that.
    09-27-2013 08:10 AM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    The idea of the unified system is to supposed to help this situation. The idea is to have an app store suitable for desktop, tablet and phone. I have a feeling, and this is just a feeling, that future versions of Windows desktop will move away from a desktop type of environment. This is just speculation I have nothing to back that up with. So with their system you would technically only need to write one app for all three systems.
    I'm sure Microsoft will sooner or later have one app store, and allow one app to run across all types of device. I also suspect Microsoft planned to move away from the desktop on PCs, but I think this might have changed following the negative reaction to the Metro UI on the desktop. Yes - I'm making another assertion that a Microsoft technology is unpopular! I will produce some evidence - well, at least statistics suggesting that Metro doesn't seem to be used that much by desktop users. See this report - https://www.soluto.com/reports. The thing is, I think (no evidence) that the traditional desktop is actually a pretty efficient way to display multiple applications. Right now, I have a web browser open, my e-mail open behind it (and I can see the inbox so I know when something has arrived), and a document and a file explorer open on my other monitor. All are visible and usable just by moving the mouse. No weird key combinations. Now, this arrangement doesn't work well on a tablet, which has limited screen space and no mouse, so MS were quite right to do something different there, but it is (in my opinion which I offer without supporting evidence) a good way to use a desktop.
    This leaves our friends at MS in a tricky position, but they are clever girls and boys and there is an obvious solution. Allow Metro apps to run in a window on the desktop. Probably this isn't even very hard. With Windows 8.1, Metro apps can be resized more or less arbitrarily, so it should be possible to run them in a resizable, movable window. API extensions could allow these apps to provide a tradition menu when running on the desktop.
    To summarise - I agree that Metro apps and a single app store are the way forward (hopefully not so locked down that apps can't be installed on desktop machine by other routes). I don't think the traditional desktop will disappear, as it's too familar and useful. Getting rid of it would push a lot of people on to other platforms (in my opinion which I offer without supporting evidence).

    The issue here is that Xbox represents their entertainment arm. Which is where I think they want to keep it. If anything I think you would end up with a Surface Phone first.
    Surface is also a good suggestion. It's a tricky one... 'Windows' emphasises the phone OS's integration with desktop and tablet, and maybe the business features. 'Xbox' emphasises games and entertainment - which is also a very important use case for the phone. As for 'Surface', I'm not sure what that stands for in consumers' minds.
    So, if I was Microsoft (which obviously I'm not. Microsoft is a corporation and I'm only a person), I would decide how I wanted to market WP, and deciede whether to change the name then. If I wanted to promote business use, 'Windows' is maybe a good choice (assuming it doesn't have any negative associations). To promote games and entertainment uses, 'Xbox' would be better.

    clickbait = someone who clicks on online articles by tech journalist who purposely puts exaggerated titles to ensure people 'click' on them. Hence the 'wet dream' comment.
    Can't remember who called me that (not you, I'm sure!). Seems like an insult, no? I fear the work of an Apple fanboy, hidden in our midst. Ladies and Gentlemen - beware!

    There was no argument about your PC startup time, the issue was people got the impression you were using that as a subjective experience of Windows, which it isn't.
    My PC start up time is not a subjective experience of Windows. It is an objective experience of Windows. Objective meaning it can be dispassionately measured (as the dictionary says: "Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts"). Believe me, I have measured it.
    Now, I don't want to start this up again, so let's put this in context. Do some other people have similar experiences? Yes. I have met them. Some are sitting within mere metres of me as I write.
    Is it a typical experience? I don't know.
    A universal experience? No.
    But it is most definitely an objective experience of Windows.

    Also, I don't know why you use Linux. You can download W8 you know.
    I could explain why I use Linux but to be honest it's quite boring and I don't think anyone here would be terribly interested.
    I didn't know you could download Windows 8. Indeed, we learn something every day. If they made a version that would upgrade from Linux while preserving all my data and automatically install equivalents for all my applications, I might even be interested. Otherwise, I have better things to do than switch over. It's only an OS.
    09-27-2013 09:18 AM
  16. martinmc78's Avatar
    Can't remember who called me that (not you, I'm sure!). Seems like an insult, no? I fear the work of an Apple fanboy, hidden in our midst. Ladies and Gentlemen - beware!
    It was me. It wasn't an insult either.

    The reference I made to a "Tech journalists clickbait wet dream" was in reference to your original comments which seemed to pull in almost every negative aspect they find about Microsoft into succinct paragraphs as if you had pasted from several different sites and tried to pass it off as your own view.
    09-27-2013 09:29 AM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Can't remember who called me that (not you, I'm sure!). Seems like an insult, no? I fear the work of an Apple fanboy, hidden in our midst. Ladies and Gentlemen - beware!
    I don't think he's an Apple fanboy! No, not really an insult.

    I could explain why I use Linux but to be honest it's quite boring and I don't think anyone here would be terribly interested.
    I didn't know you could download Windows 8. Indeed, we learn something every day. If they made a version that would upgrade from Linux while preserving all my data and automatically install equivalents for all my applications, I might even be interested. Otherwise, I have better things to do than switch over. It's only an OS.
    No need to explain why you like Linux. Lots of people like it for their own reasons. As it is, if your computer is up to date enough you can install W8 and still have Linux on your machine. It's known as a dual boot system. The other option, if you have a desktop, is to put the W8 partition on a separate hard drive and then do the dual boot.

    You can look into it here. How to dual-boot Windows 8 and Linux

    There may be other options for you since you have Linux on already.
    09-27-2013 09:56 AM
  18. stmav's Avatar
    If your PC is taking that long to boot up, then your IT department needs to look at how they are loading images when setting up computers. Or just how they are connecting to the domain. Or what is the hardware of the computer. That is not a normal or acceptable time. I've been supporting enterprises, networks and domains for almost 20 years and that is not an experience of windows unless they have pooched the install or have specialized scripts running. One company I contract to has every OS from Win2k (due to some ancient testing equipment) through XP, Vista, Windows 7 and a couple of Windows 8 computers. Even the 2K computers take no longer than 2-3 minutes. I'd say it's more an objective experience of who's running your network.
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    09-27-2013 10:31 AM
  19. squire777's Avatar
    I would like to see evidence on how the Windows brand is looked at negatively by the majority of consumers. If it was as bad as our new friend makes it out to be then there would have been a mass adoption of Mac OS and Linux a long time ago. Of course he has no evidence and is basing it on (made up?) personal experiences while asking those who argue against him to provide evidence of their arguments.

    Of course if you hang around Apple or Android communities you will have a skewed view of Microsoft. All of those people making out-dated BSOD jokes, and writing "M$" over and over again are probably the same people that claim to have 10 minute boot times and viruses all over their computers.
    09-27-2013 11:03 AM
  20. kbilly70's Avatar
    Specifically, which ones?
    Been meaning to get back to this thread but it's the last week of the year for me at work and am scrambling to prepare for audit.

    I was trying to point out that you seem to scold others for the very thing you did earlier in yours posts - making broad statements regarding the perceptions of people who use Windows. Reading through the thread now it looks like it has been discussed at length so probably no reason to go over it more.

    Back on topic, as others have stated I think dropping Windows from the phone would go against Microsoft's vision of a unified platform/ecosystem and that it would hurt them to do so now. As to using Xbox branding on the phone I think it could have a negative impact on the enterprise sector because it may be looked at as more of a toy than a serious business device.

    I do agree with your earlier remarks regarding cheap phones and marketing.
    09-27-2013 11:10 AM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    Of course if you hang around Apple or Android communities you will have a skewed view of Microsoft. All of those people making out-dated BSOD jokes, and writing "M$" over and over again are probably the same people that claim to have 10 minute boot times and viruses all over their computers.
    To be fair, this description of Microsoft is not unlike what people say about Android. Microsoft earned this reputation back in the day, and likewise Android earned its reputation of lag, viruses (I guess they did; I've never seen or even heard of any), and crashes. Both Microsoft and Android have made big strides in these areas recently, making these accusations without merit, at least if you have a modern device with a modern OS version.
    09-27-2013 11:59 AM
  22. stmav's Avatar
    Let's try to keep things on topic.
    09-27-2013 12:19 PM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It was me. It wasn't an insult either.

    The reference I made to a "Tech journalists clickbait wet dream" was in reference to your original comments which seemed to pull in almost every negative aspect they find about Microsoft into succinct paragraphs as if you had pasted from several different sites and tried to pass it off as your own view.
    Are you suggesting that I don't have those issues with my work laptop? Are you, in fact, suggesting that I was lying?
    09-27-2013 02:13 PM
  24. anony_mouse's Avatar
    No need to explain why you like Linux. Lots of people like it for their own reasons. As it is, if your computer is up to date enough you can install W8 and still have Linux on your machine. It's known as a dual boot system. The other option, if you have a desktop, is to put the W8 partition on a separate hard drive and then do the dual boot.

    You can look into it here. How to dual-boot Windows 8 and Linux

    There may be other options for you since you have Linux on already.
    Not really interested in dual booting. I am very familiar with the concept. It would just add a layer of inconvenience and cost for no gain. My home PC is mostly a file store, a web browser, CV editor, print terminal and occasional Spotify player. All work fine on Linux. I'm not suggesting that Windows can't do these things - I'm sure it can - but switching would be expensive and time consuming and I can't see any advantage in my case.
    09-27-2013 02:23 PM
  25. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I would like to see evidence on how the Windows brand is looked at negatively by the majority of consumers. If it was as bad as our new friend makes it out to be then there would have been a mass adoption of Mac OS and Linux a long time ago. Of course he has no evidence and is basing it on (made up?) personal experiences while asking those who argue against him to provide evidence of their arguments.

    Of course if you hang around Apple or Android communities you will have a skewed view of Microsoft. All of those people making out-dated BSOD jokes, and writing "M$" over and over again are probably the same people that claim to have 10 minute boot times and viruses all over their computers.
    Oh, another person claiming I was lying! Although you also call me a friend so maybe there is hope yet.

    As you may have read, I have used Microsoft computers as a user and a developer for a very long time. I even wrote drivers for
    Windows (maybe you used one of them). I suspect I know more about the internal workings of operating systems including Windows than the average person in this forum. Operating systems are quite interesting. What's your view of the Windows NT micro kernel architecture (as used in Windows Phone 8)? Superior to the monolithic approach of Linux (as used in Android)? Has the micro kernel architecture contributed to the slow take up of Windows Phone?

    I do not hang around Android or Apple forums. I doubt I have viruses on my work PC as it has full and up to date anti virus software courtesy of the IT department.
    Last edited by anony_mouse; 09-27-2013 at 02:55 PM.
    09-27-2013 02:40 PM
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