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  1. Guytronic's Avatar
    Have to admit I learn a lot from threads similar to this one even though at times the rhetoric makes me feel like I have a ball and chain around my ankle.
    It's good for everyone to have an outlet up or down...
    07-11-2014 07:06 PM
  2. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    I suppose that shows how far WP apps have come. It used to be "we need Instagram" and now it's "we need Candy Crush."
    The thing is that people will always find what to complain about.
    07-11-2014 07:11 PM
  3. Geddeeee's Avatar
    It must suck to be Microsoft right now. Consumers keep jerking the carrot away just as they get close to reaching it.
    We need copy paste.
    Done. :
    We need more tiles and customization.
    Done.
    But we also need a pull down menu.
    Done.
    But we also need a digital assistant.
    Done.
    But we need more apps.
    Done.
    But now they have more than that so we need more apps.
    Done.
    But now they have even more apps so we need them too.
    Sigh...How bout a 41 mp camera?
    But its not as fast as the iphone. We need more features to make it unique.
    How about better sound recording, more sensitive screens, guaranteed OS upgrade paths. A Compartmentalized OS who's separate components can be addressed and updated individually so you don't have to wait for your carrier to approve a giant upgrade you may never get. Dont like the music app? We can upgrade it every week until we get it right instead of waiting a year for At&t to approve the upgrade.
    But I dont like the music app NOW!
    Yeah that's why we are updating it twice a month. Does Android or Apple do that with the things that their users hate?
    But it doesnt have everything that Android Has.
    It has features that Android doesnt have
    But it doesnt have everything Apple Has.
    It has features that Apple doesnt have.
    But it doesnt have more than both Android and Apple combined.
    WP actually has a setup that potentially can.
    But it hasnt happened the moment I blink and snap my fingers
    You suck. You are slow and you dont listen to anything I say.

    F-me....
    This is the best post on this thread so far. Hit the nail firmly on the head!!!!

    There are some users of WP users where I have replaced WP to mean 'Whiney Phone' users. Their attitude is: "I want it now, and if you don't it give to me, then I will throw a huge tantrum and threaten to go to another platform!!"
    Or a few think they know how to run a huge company, but all their observations have been regurgitated from what they have read from the MS hating techy sites.... If they were in charge, they would be fired within 2 weeks with millions of dollars lost!!!

    I'm not saying that there aren't relevant points of view, and a few people on here know how to set out a reasoned argument without resorting to the 'MS is s**t, and it's all over. I'm going to iOS 'cos I hate Google" card that is easy to play.
    To say MS is not quick enough with updates, is also a laughable notion. Since the DP Preview, I have received 3 different OS updates which have each added extra features, and a 1520 update too. On Android or iOS, you would be lucky to get 2 updates in a year, and they are mostly bug fixes, not true OS updates....

    Come on true WP afficienadoes, it's time to kick some whining ****!!!!! Lol
    Last edited by Geddeeee; 07-12-2014 at 07:23 AM.
    07-11-2014 07:15 PM
  4. hope4wp's Avatar
    Lol about candy crush hehe =)))))
    There are tons of apps like candy crush....but nope! They want it from king!
    King was also an unknown developer once!! I mean seriously? There is one in the store today....donut party!!
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    07-11-2014 09:03 PM
  5. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Lol about candy crush hehe =)))))
    There are tons of apps like candy crush....but nope! They want it from king!
    King was also an unknown developer once!! I mean seriously? There is one in the store today....donut party!!
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    B-b-but its not Candy Crush!
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    07-11-2014 11:13 PM
  6. Chregu's Avatar
    It must suck to be Microsoft right now. Consumers keep jerking the carrot away just as they get close to reaching it.
    We need copy paste.
    Done. :
    We need more tiles and customization.
    Done.
    But we also need a pull down menu.
    Done.
    But we also need a digital assistant.
    Done.
    But we need more apps.
    Done.
    But now they have more than that so we need more apps.
    Done.
    But now they have even more apps so we need them too.
    Sigh...How bout a 41 mp camera?
    But its not as fast as the iphone. We need more features to make it unique.
    How about better sound recording, more sensitive screens, guaranteed OS upgrade paths. A Compartmentalized OS who's separate components can be addressed and updated individually so you don't have to wait for your carrier to approve a giant upgrade you may never get. Dont like the music app? We can upgrade it every week until we get it right instead of waiting a year for At&t to approve the upgrade.
    But I dont like the music app NOW!
    Yeah that's why we are updating it twice a month. Does Android or Apple do that with the things that their users hate?
    But it doesnt have everything that Android Has.
    It has features that Android doesnt have
    But it doesnt have everything Apple Has.
    It has features that Apple doesnt have.
    But it doesnt have more than both Android and Apple combined.
    WP actually has a setup that potentially can.
    But it hasnt happened the moment I blink and snap my fingers
    You suck. You are slow and you dont listen to anything I say.

    F-me....
    That's pretty much it, Microsoft taking forever to bring the most basic features. The 41 MP camera was actually Nokia, and it's very niche.

    Also, integration of services instead of having an app centered approach was something people liked, Microsoft took it away because it's easier, but also taking away a big part of Windows Phone's uniqueness at the same time.

    It's good that people find this post very funny and that it is trying to make a point for Microsoft, personally I think it is quite the opposite in both regards.

    And as of Candy Crush: I don't get this game, I have bought Bejeweled on PC, on Windows Phone and on iOS for a few Francs each, I don't need a rip-off copy. But that doesn't mean that people who play it shouldn't be taken seriously. Good for you if you don't need it, but that won't change that Windows Phone is not an option for people who want it. (And I am pretty sure it's the social integration that makes people not want something similar from another developer...)
    Last edited by Chregu; 07-11-2014 at 11:41 PM.
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    07-11-2014 11:18 PM
  7. Chregu's Avatar
    Come on true WP afficienadoes, it's time to kick some whining ****!!!!! Lol
    Calm down. You are not Braveheart and Microsoft is not Scotland.
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    07-11-2014 11:22 PM
  8. hope4wp's Avatar
    B-b-but its not Candy Crush!
    but it's donut :P and you can eat donut with coffee :D yayyy!!! :P or you can collect some candies and play :D you can actually crush them with your mouth!!
    images.jpg
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    07-11-2014 11:41 PM
  9. Chregu's Avatar
    http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/11/m...-quick-glance/

    It almost feels like Microsoft joined the thread to make an argument against Windows Phone...
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    07-12-2014 12:03 AM
  10. winrayjay99's Avatar
    I don't think a lot of us understand what the situation is here. First Microsoft is in the middle of a transition process. Satya Nadella has only been CEO of the company for 5 Months. And from what I have seen he is trying to Turn the Company around from Steve Ballmer's blunders Microsoft has suffered from under his decade long tenure. IOS and Android are popular right now due to Ballmer's blunders. I mean instead of yelling about Google stealing something from them and then charge license fees for Android phones he should have tried harder with windows. I have a feeling Google may sue Microsoft over getting license fees for Android. All these Microsoft haters have been around since the 90's when Bill Gates had to testify in Congress to defend Microsoft of being viewed a a monopoly. Something Google actually is.
    07-12-2014 12:15 AM
  11. dumgeek's Avatar
    MS have to "open" WP and enable the community to summit API's. They need to find a way to accelerate is development. They are too much behind. IPhone became popular not because of hardware but software and OS.
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    07-12-2014 12:26 AM
  12. techiez's Avatar
    I don't think a lot of us understand what the situation is here. First Microsoft is in the middle of a transition process. Satya Nadella has only been CEO of the company for 5 Months. And from what I have seen he is trying to Turn the Company around from Steve Ballmer's blunders Microsoft has suffered from under his decade long tenure. iOS and Android are popular right now due to Ballmer's blunders. I mean instead of yelling about Google stealing something from them and then charge license fees for Android phones he should have tried harder with windows. I have a feeling Google may sue Microsoft over getting license fees for Android. All these Microsoft haters have been around since the 90's when Bill Gates had to testify in Congress to defend Microsoft of being viewed a a monopoly. Something Google actually is.
    We don't care about Microsoft and their strategy nor Mr. Nadella or Mr. Balmer, its about WP, its lagging period.
    We are not here to understand or sympathize about Microsoft.
    Tomorrow you might very well support Microsoft for putting all WP exclusives in iOS and android, but but it doesn't help the Windows Phone.
    07-12-2014 12:46 AM
  13. techiez's Avatar
    Lol about candy crush hehe =)))))
    There are tons of apps like candy crush....but nope! They want it from king!
    King was also an unknown developer once!! I mean seriously? There is one in the store today....donut party!!
    Sent from my Yellow Minion using Tapatalk
    People want candy crush because CandyCrush is what everyone plays, what fun is in playing alone, you play CandyCrush since your friends play and you compete with them.
    07-12-2014 12:49 AM
  14. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Microsoft's Climatology Android app is all about what the weather's usually like

    It almost feels like Microsoft joined the thread to make an argument against Windows Phone...
    hey I have to call you out on this one .... they do have an app for wp. its just misinformed writers like the one in engadget who don't know anything about wp. so yeah engadget lost some credibility here

    here is the app Climatology | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
    07-12-2014 12:59 AM
  15. b23h's Avatar
    Okay, I know this sounds harsh, and I realise I'm gonna get a lot of negativity, but I ask you to hear me out and let me know what you disagree with objectively.

    1. Limiting choice of phones

    As of mid-2014, WP has three high-end, almost-flagship devices: The 930, 1520 and 1020.
    I say almost-flagship because each of these phones is missing something - either glance or wireless charging or SD card support

    There simply is no flagship phone:
    I mean come on, if people can look forward to and make purchase plans for an unknown, unnamed concept device like the McLaren that we know next to nothing about, then you *know* WP is missing something big.

    2. No one cares about WP

    Its been months and WP8.1 isnt out yet, Cortana only speaks American, and something big is apparently coming to WP that no one seems to know about.

    Also, the rumours that MS might make an Android-powered Lumia isnt helping either.

    3. Monotonous designs

    Don't get me wrong - I think unibody polycarbonate is awesome.
    But I also like unibody metal (like on the HTC One), front-and-back glass (XPERIAs and previous gen iPhones), and even the rubberised, plasticky or fake leather casing like on the Samsung and LG phones.
    The point is, different people like different designs - and with the limited number of WP devices (see #1 above), almost all of which follow the same design language, it's not going win fans everywhere.

    4. No brag-able or show-off worthy features.

    ...like self-healing back panels. Heart rate monitors. Fingerprint scanners. Or even curved displays.

    A lone Samsung phone (Ativ SE) has an IR blaster. And a few Lumias have PureView which is awesome and is not a gimmick, but cameras arent everything, and almost seem like a one trick pony at this stage.

    5. No rugged or waterproof phones



    6. Doesn't work with wearables

    7. Misses official google apps; and games/apps in general.

    Yes, I know, but sorry I have to say this.
    I know this topic has been discussed to death and beyond, but the plain fact of the matter is:
    1. A lot of people use Google
    2. WP offers no official apps for most google services.

    To sum up, WP is a platform with a unique UI and great potential but the fact of the matter is, there isnt any true flagship (in the same league as Android) to really help it shine today.

    And in the long run, I dont see how WP can progress when its more an after-thought or plan B for OEMs, seems all but forsaken by its manufacturer, and ignored by the developer community.

    Cheers!
    Most of these concerns are about hardware while two and seven are about OS penetration/usage issues. Several of the hardware concerns were due to being specialized requests of a third place market segment. Third place, often distant. MS and OEM's need to prioritize while trying to prompt sales. Camera and display sizes are fine areas to excel in. MS in moving into a 3D control scheme which given battery issues may prove to be a useful and pretty feature.

    Since MS is giving away WP we've hear a wave of reports of possible WP devices from a range of OEMs. I expect most of these will make it to market and likely over the next three to five months. Without a doubt the wish to synchronize the release of 8.1 with a raft of new phones was a missed opportunity for MS and OEM's. Of course for me the five months between release of the Preview for Developers and the likely release of major new flagships with 8.1 will be eternity, for the general public it won't be quite so long, perhaps long enough for Cortana to bubble up in the collective unconscious and resurface in what needs to be "cool" phones. Speaking of which, I absolutely concur with Mr. Noor and no doubt so many other's about the idea of the flagship devices being crippled so to say by missing features, primarily the lack of a SD Card slot (especially for the 1020). I also would like to see a wider variety of styles, but am especially interested in a phone that is influenced by the surface aesthetic. I think it would be foolish for MS to miss the opportunity unless a vapormg case would be exorbitantly expensive or impractical.

    MS needs to push hard at WP for at least the next three years. I think five years out is a decision. They've set themselves up to be able to do it with a move at steady and rapid release of updates plus their own hardware teams. I wish MS would muck it up a bit less than they do, but they need to execute wisely and efficiently.

    WP is not forgotten by MS. It's in third place with a commanding lead by entrenched market players. MS needs to develop real momentum from the release of McLaren to the release of WP 9 and the following couple of years. MS needs to ensure that the period is done correctly to avoid a fold or massive setback to MS's efforts in the cellphone arena.

    I am likely not the average store patron and have found most of the apps that I need at this point with the exception of credit card/banking applications (US Bank). We are making progress in this aspect and if we can get some momentum with the hardware going the shortcoming of the WP Store will be ameliorated to some degree.
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    07-12-2014 01:06 AM
  16. b23h's Avatar
    I think another thing to consider in posts like these (and there have been many of them) is the audience. They are generally written by someone who is passionate or at least a "power-user" of a smartphone. Then they are generally replied to by the same audience. While we may want something more out of a device and are more critical when it doesn't deliver, for 90% of the people out there, they could care less.
    As long as it fits their budget and what they want to do, they could care less WHAT the device/OS is.
    Those of who frequent these types of forums are NOT the target market for the vendors. Like it has been said before, companies follow the money.
    Enthusiasts are always a target market for the vendors, they are the most likely buyers of the flagship devices. As to if enthusiasts represent the "target market" that is also up for question. There are no doubt a number of non-flagship WP owners that participate here, they simply care enough to write it at a website. As people who use the OS in question and go out of our ways to write on the issue, we really can never wisely be ignored.
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    07-12-2014 01:15 AM
  17. Chregu's Avatar
    hey I have to call you out on this one .... they do have an app for wp. its just misinformed writers like the one in engadget who don't know anything about wp. so yeah engadget lost some credibility here

    here is the app Climatology | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
    Very nice, thanks!
    07-12-2014 01:28 AM
  18. muneshyne21's Avatar
    A valid point being made is that the consumer doesn't care about the backstory of why they are behind. This is true but what isn't true is that Microsoft is just sitting on their butts with their eyes closed hoping the problems just magically go away. That is the point I was trying to make with comedy. Things are getting addressed (whether you like their solutions or not) at a breakneck pace. I have the luxury of being patient because the 8.1 DP pretty much addressed 99% of my usability issues. At the pace they are going they should have addressed the last 1% by the time I'm due for an upgrade. Who knows, my phone may get those software upgrades in the meantime. You also have to appreciate the ability for all WP8 phones to get updated all around the same time vs only select phones sometimes half a year after announcement.
    I also had issues with them breaking everything out into apps but since I'm in the U.S. under Verizon, this was the only way they could bypass the ridiculously slow carrier review process for OS upgrades without signing up for the DP. I thought it was quite clever even though it was at the expense of a more cohesive feel to the OS. For all those in other countries that may not have this issue, I apologize on behalf of the U.S. for probably being the reason for this decision. Splash pages on things that should be considered "baked in" are kind of annoying...
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    07-12-2014 02:44 AM
  19. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    What kind of game is candy crush?
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    07-12-2014 02:46 AM
  20. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    MS have to "open" WP and enable the community to summit API's. They need to find a way to accelerate is development. They are too much behind. IPhone became popular not because of hardware but software and OS.
    Sorry what? Microsoft should open what? Windows will NEVER be open, literally never.
    07-12-2014 03:52 AM
  21. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    What kind of game is candy crush?
    No clue.
    07-12-2014 03:53 AM
  22. AndyM72's Avatar
    Saying breaking the Hubs up into separate apps was easier (implying that it's the lazy option) is being unfair. Hubs are unmanageable. The dev principles that iOS brought in and Android ripped wholesale was going back to the principles of command line Unix (and it's true that under it all, they are both Unix-like OS). That is, small, simple apps, that do one thing, and do it well. Added to that is incremental deployment - features are added little and often. Once an app grows too big, you split it (Facebook and Foursquare).

    Even if you take the hubs out of the OS and make them WP Store apps, you still couldn't keep up with the pace of change and development of these network services. Hubs are too big and have too many interdependencies to alter, test and deploy in a rapid cycle. Windows Phone is behind already, sticking to hubs would put it further behind.

    The last part of "the Unix way" is inter app communication, making those small apps work together as a team. Android has this using files, because apps can look at most parts of the file system. WP and iOS are missing this because they use the far safer concept of siloed storage. iOS 8 is adding inter app comms using regulated APIs. WP 8.1 added "hook APIs" for social network apps to extend the People app/hub, but the next step has got to be more general inter app comms APIs. Then anyone could build a hub.
    07-12-2014 05:29 AM
  23. three_thoughts's Avatar
    Think back 6 or 7 years ago:

    Nokia was selling billions of handsets and the company was the undisputed no1 and worth hundreds of billions of dollars - now it has been sold for $7bn (and mostly for it IP). Who predicted that?

    How many people predicted that Blackberry, who owned the enterprise space so completely would basically have gone out of business within a few years? It was unthinkable!

    When Android 1.0 was released, all I remember reading from "experts" was that it would never be able to break the dominance of Nokia, Blackberry and Apple - now look at it

    How many people outside of south korea were even aware that Samsung made phones, let alone thought about buying one? Now they are everywhere with multiple products in every household.

    Even 2 or 3 years ago:

    how many people thought Apple's global market share would be fall to the 10's of %?

    Be honest. How many people thought tablets were a stupid, pointless, over sized smartphone that couldn't make phone calls? (I did). It's incredible to think that the 1st iPad has been around only 4 years!

    Going back a little further, how many people thought touchscreens on phones were pointless and would never be a success? (I did)

    The point is, people are rubbish at predicting the future. Especially in a volatile and fast moving, fast changing industry like the tech industry.

    The world in general is inherently unpredictable. How many "experts" saw the 2008 financial crash coming? You know, of all those tens of thousands of people who get paid a lot of money to predict that kind of thing (and are still being paid to predict that kind of thing even though they missed to biggest most important event for 80 years). How many? 1 or 2 and they were laughed at.

    We have no idea if WP will succeed or fail. Just wait and see and enjoy the ride and take every prediction as nothing more than guesswork, because the chances are that something completely unthinkable will happen next week or next month or next year and the entire theory will be blown apart.
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    07-12-2014 06:13 AM
  24. techiez's Avatar
    hey I have to call you out on this one .... they do have an app for wp. its just misinformed writers like the one in engadget who don't know anything about wp. so yeah engadget lost some credibility here

    here is the app Climatology | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
    This one is not related to any MS services such as skype or onedrive that they want to expand, there was really no need to release it for android, they shd not have bothered with this, but they did. are they serious abt WP or they just see it as an experiment which will be shutdown in couple of years?
    07-12-2014 10:14 AM
  25. Geddeeee's Avatar
    This one is not related to any MS services such as skype or onedrive that they want to expand, there was really no need to release it for android, they shd not have bothered with this, but they did. are they serious abt WP or they just see it as an experiment which will be shutdown in couple of years?
    Why will they shut it down?

    MS are in it to make money. They ARE a business. It would be pretty stupid of them to ignore other markets because some of their WP users think they should concentrate only on WP not Android or iOS.
    If they did that, their business would dry up pretty quickly. Gone are the days of this agressive competition.

    I wish people would get this into their heads instead of continually moaning about WP.....

    Grow up FFS... It's 2014 not 1992!!!!!
    07-12-2014 12:00 PM
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