03-20-2015 10:30 PM
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  1. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    With so much doom and gloom making the boards these days, thought I'd share this one:

    Microsoft outsmarts Apple Watch | America's Markets

    Maybe the Band could be the thing that makes Microsoft look cool again to the masses. Just search "Microsoft Band" right now on bing and you'll see tons of articles praising Microsoft on the price, performance and battery life. (Two points from CNet though, who just had to reiterate their negative findings in November and incorrectly list the price at $300.)

    I think the $10K gold Apple Watch will go down as one of the biggest marketing blunders of all time. While it was meant for an exclusive set of customers, it soured the opinion on the entire product line. Had Apple released the $349 first and later said, oh BTW we have an obnoxious $10K version too, the negative feedback wouldn't have been as bad.

    I'm a tech fan first, and a Microsoft fan second, so I want all ventures to succeed. However, it is nice to see Apple screw the pooch for once.
    03-17-2015 12:34 PM
  2. Kaushik Banerjee's Avatar
    Well this didn't come as a shock to me, windows central covered a post in which they clearly stated why the apple watch will be beaten by the microsoft band like a total knockout....
    http://m.windowscentral.com/how-micr...t-apples-watch
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    03-17-2015 01:07 PM
  3. jmshub's Avatar
    It's far too soon to call the Apple watch a bust. One thing Apple fans like, and that's Apple products. Despite all the negative press now, this thing could still sell like gangbusters when it is launched.
    03-17-2015 01:22 PM
  4. theefman's Avatar
    I imagine there'll be a lot of disappointed MS fans when this thing sell like hotcakes (like all apple products).
    03-17-2015 01:33 PM
  5. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    It's far too soon to call the Apple watch a bust. One thing Apple fans like, and that's Apple products. Despite all the negative press now, this thing could still sell like gangbusters when it is launched.
    Agree it will likely sell well. At the same time this is really the first time an Apple product is getting a ton of backlash before release. Usually it's hype city and then a let down after the release. OMG GIANT IPHONE!!!! Oh, it bends.

    I just think it would sell better / received better reception had they waited to bring out the $10K version.
    03-17-2015 01:35 PM
  6. Kaushik Banerjee's Avatar
    I imagine there'll be a lot of disappointed MS fans when this thing sell like hotcakes (like all apple products).
    Either you are totally correct or totally wrong!
    Correct because apple fans will buy it bacause they are apple fans...they prefer the total apple suite...of products no matter what!
    Wrong!???? Only time will tell, when the apple watch starts sellings in the markets..!
    03-17-2015 01:36 PM
  7. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    I imagine there'll be a lot of disappointed MS fans when this thing sell like hotcakes (like all apple products).
    If you are a MS fan rooting for Apple to fail then I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

    Either you are totally correct or totally wrong!
    Correct because apple fans will buy it bacause they are apple fans...they prefer the total apple suite...of products no matter what!
    Wrong!???? Only time will tell, when the apple watch starts sellings in the markets..!
    That's the thing though...even hardcore Apple fans are questioning whether a $349 smart watch is worth it. Was in Verizon last week and the sales person there said she's waiting to the second generation of Apple Watch, as $349 for a fitness device you still have to carry your phone for is a waste. And that's from the people who usually push iOS over everything.
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    03-17-2015 01:38 PM
  8. Kaushik Banerjee's Avatar
    Well one thing I would say is Microsoft band is fitness oriented so in that case apple watch is more of feature oriented, they have tons of features and a tight integration. So a comparison between the two may not always hold true.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    03-17-2015 01:42 PM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm sorry to say but Apple has made their niche being a "Coveted" brand. If they didn't market such an obnoxious watch at the same time as an obtainable one, the allure and hype wouldn't be as big.

    That's the way Apple works, it's the status quo with an ability to draw in the conventional and flamboyant simultaneously.

    Just as androids thing is the ability of choice and a multitude of variety like a buffet restaurant.

    Microsoft needs to find it's niche. It's getting there but it needs something solid.
    I believe Hololens might be that cool Microsoft product.

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    03-17-2015 01:57 PM
  10. Kaushik Banerjee's Avatar
    I believe Hololens might be that cool Microsoft product.

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
    Yea that wont be long for Microsoft, NASA is already teaming up with Microsoft Hololens and I don't think it will be long for MSFT to release a consumers version of it. I can firmly say no other company has invested in virtualisation technology to this extent after watching the windows 10 event..!
    03-17-2015 03:56 PM
  11. MikeX74's Avatar
    There are a couple of things going on in this article besides reporting that Microsoft is expanding sales and distribution of the Band.

    1. The usual pre-launch bashing of a new Apple product. There were a lot of articles bashing the iPod, iPhone, and iPad before they launched, foretelling abject failure for each. This is nothing new. No matter what products Apple may bring to market, there will always be hit pieces telling us why they'll flop.

    2. USA Today fishing for more clicks(and ad revenue) by putting Apple in the headline, especially in a negative manner. Apple in the headline+fans+haters=more clicks.

    Yes, it's great news that MS is expanding Band sales, but let's not pretend that USA Today's motives were strictly about reporting good news about Microsoft.
    03-17-2015 04:42 PM
  12. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Who's going to pay $200 for a device that has to be charged every 1.5 days, and which primarily objective is to collect data 24/7, with 10 sensor, to improve your health?
    Only a small percentage of people is so obsessed with their body to require that kind of data.

    The Apple Watch is even worst, a mini smartphone for your wrist that has to be charged everyday. The software is complex and confusing. It has more input methods than the iPhone. I think Apple lost touch with reality, or they couldn't resist the pressure to launch a new product category.

    Both products are going to fail.
    03-17-2015 04:49 PM
  13. Blacklac's Avatar
    Who's going to pay $200 for a device that has to be charged every 1.5 days, and which primarily objective is to collect data 24/7, with 10 sensor, to improve your health?
    Only a small percentage of people is so obsessed with their body to require that kind of data.
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    Anyone who wants a extension of their phone, as a watch... Like its marketed. Lol. Heck, some people can't even pull their cell phones out on the clock. A watch is at least somewhat beneficial, in that sense. Do most people need one? Hell no.

    Thinking a dumb band will improve your health is a joke.

    If it could read Blood Pressure and tell me my cholesterol levels, ok, we have something. Heart rate tells you very little about your overall health.
    03-17-2015 04:56 PM
  14. Likwidz's Avatar
    Who's going to pay $200 for a device that has to be charged every 1.5 days, and which primarily objective is to collect data 24/7, with 10 sensor, to improve your health?
    Only a small percentage of people is so obsessed with their body to require that kind of data.

    The Apple Watch is even worst, a mini smartphone for your wrist that has to be charged everyday. The software is complex and confusing. It has more input methods than the iPhone. I think Apple lost touch with reality, or they couldn't resist the pressure to launch a new product category.

    Both products are going to fail.
    As for the Band, don't forget about its use in the medical field. I have a client that is a medical doctor and uses the device with several of her high risk patients. She remotely monitors all of their vital metrics including heart rate, activity levels & caloric expenditures, and sleep patterns. The $200 for the Band is a minimal cost, seeing that it can help those monitor their health and well being. I wouldn't be surprised there are others who use it in the same way to track the well being of their love ones as well.
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    03-17-2015 05:01 PM
  15. Likwidz's Avatar
    Anyone who wants a extension of their phone, as a watch... Like its marketed. Lol. Heck, some people can't even pull their cell phones out on the clock. A watch is at least somewhat beneficial, in that sense. Do most people need one? Hell no.

    Thinking a dumb band will improve your health is a joke.

    If it could read Blood Pressure and tell me my cholesterol levels, ok, we have something. Heart rate tells you very little about your overall health.
    You're right the Band will not improve one's health but the data it provides can. And I respectfully disagree about your statement that the heart rate tells very little about overall health. My degree is in exercise science, and I use the H/R for all sorts of important vital data. The H/R can be used to identify metabolic rate resting and active, it can make sure you are effectively expending calories, it can be used to see if over training is occurring and sometimes if a person is getting sick, particularly when exercising. There are many are functions of monitoring H/R and true most of the every day user wouldn't be able to take advantage of other metrics by using the Band, but the statement heart rate doesn't tell you about your overall health is incorrect.
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    03-17-2015 05:22 PM
  16. hotphil's Avatar
    Outsmart maybe. But Apple have outmarketed MS.
    The gold Watch isn't to be taken seriously - it's a halo product designed solely to lift user perception of the whole product line. They're not planning on actually selling many.
    But where Apple have really outmarketed MS is inventory. In a few days I'll be able to walk into many stores and buy a Watch. Can't say that for Band.
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    03-17-2015 05:39 PM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    As the "Band" will expand, it still is the fact that it's a Fitness band, Not a Watch....

    I'm looking for a Watch, that has a nice look, ya, know, like a watch ! Yea, I would like fitness features on it but appearance is important to me on what I wear and I don't want to look like a fitness junkie, that these fitbits and the band makes the appearance of.

    The Apple watch is that, a WATCH, not a fitness band. This is where it has the advantage.
    03-17-2015 07:29 PM
  18. Blacklac's Avatar
    As the "Band" will expand, it still is the fact that it's a Fitness band, Not a Watch....

    I'm looking for a Watch, that has a nice look, ya, know, like a watch ! Yea, I would like fitness features on it but appearance is important to me on what I wear and I don't want to look like a fitness junkie, that these fitbits and the band makes the appearance of.

    The Apple watch is that, a WATCH, not a fitness band. This is where it has the advantage.
    What makes Microsoft's not a watch, besides them calling it a band? Just my opinion, it has a screen that shows the time. Its a watch. :shrugs: Sure, its not a square or round display. :p
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    03-17-2015 08:28 PM
  19. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    I'm buying an Apple watch, I think they're cool. It will have a ton of apps, and I want to make phone calls on it like **** Tracy.

    I know a lot of people here are hating on it,(or anything Apple does) but I also know that if it was Microsoft that made this watch, everyone would be going nuts for it.

    Laura, is there a thread in which you have posted your experience with your new Moto X? I would love to read your opinion on it.
    03-17-2015 08:36 PM
  20. thatotherdude24's Avatar
    The Apple watch will have no problem selling because of Apple stores. Apple trains their salesmen to be amazing at what they do. When the average Joe walks into the Apple store and the salesman starts showing what all they'll be able to do with their phone for ONLY $350, they'll have no problem selling them.

    Apple is a marketing company.
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    03-17-2015 08:41 PM
  21. Jaredallister's Avatar
    Agree it will likely sell well. At the same time this is really the first time an Apple product is getting a ton of backlash before release. Usually it's hype city and then a let down after the release. OMG GIANT IPHONE!!!! Oh, it bends.

    I just think it would sell better / received better reception had they waited to bring out the $10K version.
    The iPhone, iPod, and iPad all received the same "back lash" when they were originally launched that the Apple Watch is getting now. And they all went on to be the industry best sellers and changed each of their respective industies. Especially the iPad witch many people called a waste of time, like they do the Apple Watch.
    03-17-2015 09:06 PM
  22. Spectrum90's Avatar
    The iPhone, iPod, and iPad all received the same "back lash" when they were originally launched that the Apple Watch is getting now. And they all went on to be the industry best sellers and changed each of their respective industies. Especially the iPad witch many people called a waste of time, like they do the Apple Watch.

    That's true, the iPad was received with skepticism because is redundant to the iPhone and It doesn't add much value, even though is not a bad product in itself.
    Part of the success of the iPad was caused by the small size of the iPhone and the aggressive pricing. The iPad is more popular with older people, probably because they have more problems with the touch targets and reading on small screens.
    Now that Apple finally increased the size of the iPhone, the sales of the iPad are falling of a cliff. A product like the Surface Pro 3 is growing because it adds more value, It's not just an oversized phone.

    The Apple Watch is not only redundant, It's really an awful product. It's not intuitive, It's hard to use, the inputs methods are complicated, It doesn't work like the iPhone or any other Apple product. It's ugly, boxy, battery life sucks and the price is too high.

    Besides, It's a me too product, the Apple Watch doesn't add anything new to the struggling market of smart watches.
    03-17-2015 11:14 PM
  23. Jaredallister's Avatar
    That's true, the iPad was received with skepticism because is redundant to the iPhone and It doesn't add much value, even though is not a bad product in itself.
    Part of the success of the iPad was caused by the small size of the iPhone and the aggressive pricing. The iPad is more popular with older people, probably because they have more problems with the touch targets and reading on small screens.
    Now that Apple finally increased the size of the iPhone, the sales of the iPad are falling of a cliff. A product like the Surface Pro 3 is growing because it adds more value, It's not just an oversized phone.

    The Apple Watch is not only redundant, It's really an awful product. It's not intuitive, It's hard to use, the inputs methods are complicated, It doesn't work like the iPhone or any other Apple product. It's ugly, boxy, battery life sucks and the price is too high.

    Besides, It's a me too product, the Apple Watch doesn't add anything new to the struggling market of smart watches.
    Have you used an Apple Watch to come to that conclusion? Didnt think so. The Apple Watch isn't ulgy, I love the way it looks and I can't stand people saying Apple products are over priced. At the end of the day the market decides the cost of every product. Apple sells it's products at a perimum because the market has decided that they are worth the cost. The market will decide weather the Apple Watch is overpriced. I say it's not. Because like all Apple products, it's most likely going to sell very well. All of what you say about the Apple Watch is mostly opinion. Because it's not for you, doesn't mean it not for someone else.
    Last edited by Jaredallister; 03-18-2015 at 11:20 AM.
    03-17-2015 11:56 PM
  24. jacob103's Avatar
    Have you used an Apple Watch to come to that conclusion? Didnt think so. The Apple Watch isn't ulgu, I love the way it looks and I can't stand Pete saying Apple products are over priced. At the end of the day the market decides the cost of every product. Apple sells it's products at a perimum because the market has decided that they are worth the cost. The market will decode weather the Apple Watch is overpriced. I say it's not. Because like all Apple products, it's most likely going to sell very well. All of what you say about the Apple Watch is mostly opinion. Because it's not for you, doesn't mean it not for someone else.
    Dude Idk where you got the idea that the watch isn't overpriced? But id rather pay $200 for a Band any day over the iWatch. The band has a two day battery life, works with almost every product on the market. Syncs well, has Bluetooth, Heart rate monitor, GPS, and Color display. But seriously the iWatch doesn't have any of that. Its not even really a fitness watch. You have to sync it to an iPhone for it to even do half the stuff it says. So yeah!
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    03-18-2015 12:38 AM
  25. David Hroncheck's Avatar
    I've got to call you on this one. I've been a Digital Health, mHealth, eHealth advocate for several years. You present an excellent hypothetical that we've long pushed for. Consumer-facing health-sensor products without FDA approval face several hurdles before applications in medicine. There are many FDA-approved tools for remote patient monitoring that the general public are not aware of, usually covered by insurance. MS Band needs FDA approval before official medical use.

    Follow Dr. Eric Topol on Twitter for the big picture on Digital Health.
    03-18-2015 05:12 AM
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