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  1. Spectrum90's Avatar
    The hardware is great, now we need the software to catch up.
    10-06-2015 01:57 PM
  2. ttsoldier's Avatar
    I was not impressed.

    I felt like everything was rushed. They didn't show enough about the phones. Hell, they barely even talked about it.
    10-06-2015 02:17 PM
  3. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Not much was displayed pertaining to phones.

    Nothing was said about windows 10 mobile.

    I'm not impressed Microsoft.
    hf199 and WesleyBPeres like this.
    10-06-2015 02:18 PM
  4. Citizen X's Avatar
    The phone portion was a joke.

    Did they even mention wireless charging or the removable back? They mentioned that the camera is great but they didn't demo it. They didn't show us this wonderful 4k video the camera records. I would have liked to see a completely wireless Continuum demo. Does the miracast Continuum implementation lag? Can you get work done with it? Can you game with it?

    One thing I need from a laptop is the ability to transfer files from an SD card to a hard drive. It seems silly to lug a laptop around just for that. Can I do that with Continuum? WTF MSFT?! If I can do an SD card transfer and verify with Continuum it will kill the need for the WD My Passport Wireless overpriced drive. That is such a common scenario for me. I'm on a trip. I get back to where I'm staying for the night. Now I have to offload pictures and videos. I really don't want to take a laptop just to do that.
    10-06-2015 02:33 PM
  5. TechFreak1's Avatar
    It was mind blowing and a little short of ridiculously spectacular as I have a few unanswered questions.

    However I'm not going to dwell on those as I'd rather not detract from the jovial atmosphere as it's quite a change from all the negativity that was been going on around here lately.

    Anyway, when I saw that hinge on the Surface Book I was willing it to be detachable but it was not mentioned I had a "golem moment" - (had a mini debate in my head) and when Panos had the video played again I felt my ears pop out when the screen detached.

    Speaking of Panos Panay, his enthusiasm for the products was more infections than a yawn lol.

    Rarely have I ever wished not to be working from home freelance scraping by and this is one such moment .
    a5cent, ven07, libra89 and 1 others like this.
    10-06-2015 02:46 PM
  6. Guitarpik's Avatar
    The phone portion was a joke.

    Did they even mention wireless charging or the removable back? They mentioned that the camera is great but they didn't demo it. They didn't show us this wonderful 4k video the camera records. I would have liked to see a completely wireless Continuum demo. Does the miracast Continuum implementation lag? Can you get work done with it? Can you game with it?

    One thing I need from a laptop is the ability to transfer files from an SD card to a hard drive. It seems silly to lug a laptop around just for that. Can I do that with Continuum? WTF MSFT?! If I can do an SD card transfer and verify with Continuum it will kill the need for the WD My Passport Wireless overpriced drive. That is such a common scenario for me. I'm on a trip. I get back to where I'm staying for the night. Now I have to offload pictures and videos. I really don't want to take a laptop just to do that.
    Any idea when these things will be revealed? I've been waiting patiently for today and feel like I didn't learn anything new. And I don't think I have much more patience to wait until November who knows when.
    Citizen X, RaRa85 and WesleyBPeres like this.
    10-06-2015 03:30 PM
  7. ShaneRay's Avatar
    I was underwhelmed with the phone portion too. I get the sense they're doing phone because they need to, not because they really want to. And that means the devices suffer. I'm not really surprised by that based on the last few months, but was hoping for a revitalized attitude from them.

    And...the price up here in Canada is too much: $850 for the XL.

    Given what I've seen today, and other factors related to phone, I'm fairly certain I'll be moving on to another platform when I tire of my 830.

    For those that are excited, I'll never disparage that. But, personally I'm quite disappointed and unimpressed.
    v_emman likes this.
    10-06-2015 03:33 PM
  8. o4komodo's Avatar
    I was underwhelmed with the phone portion too. I get the sense they're doing phone because they need to, not because they really want to. And that means the devices suffer. I'm not really surprised by that based on the last few months, but was hoping for a revitalized attitude from them.

    And...the price up here in Canada is too much: $850 for the XL.

    Given what I've seen today, and other factors related to phone, I'm fairly certain I'll be moving on to another platform when I tire of my 830.

    For those that are excited, I'll never disparage that. But, personally I'm quite disappointed and unimpressed.
    At least the price isn't marked up... it's pretty true to price given how crappy our dollar is.
    ShaneRay and Thallanor like this.
    10-06-2015 03:40 PM
  9. JmpnJeronimo's Avatar
    Wow! What a bunch of whiners!! Can you imagine how difficult it must be to cover what 7 new devices in a short allotted time frame?? I don't feel the phone portion was nearly as "sparkly" as say the "hololens" segment but I mean come on it is just a phone right??
    Satsumo, stevesu, k1s23 and 7 others like this.
    10-06-2015 03:46 PM
  10. ShaneRay's Avatar
    Wow! What a bunch of whiners!!......

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    10-06-2015 04:00 PM
  11. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Windows Hello was demoed on the phone onstage. It was said to be a beta in the presentation, hence it not being available to the press audience. It logged in very quickly and got a round of applause due to its speed.

    I didn't find the demo to be lackluster at all. Wireless charging should just be assumed. It's hardly a new feature, so why spend time on it. The quick charge USB-C, Continuum, liquid cooling, etc all are much more important to talk about over a tech that debuted on the 920 at the end of 2012.

    It is also worth remembering that this is not the WHOLE story for Windows on mobile. The prices are where they are to create space for others. HTC is announcing before the end of the month as is LG. Microsoft has to make room below themselves to encourage other OEMs. We already knew of Acer's entry as well, but I think there's even more coming.
    10-06-2015 04:08 PM
  12. Chris Wayne2's Avatar
    Disappointed in the change in focus or philosophy of the products, they were all about the productivity of these devices but I couldn't care less for a deskphone, I already have a decent PC+laptop, maybe they are focusing on the market that blackberry left but c'mon, I don't work at the US congress!
    10-06-2015 04:26 PM
  13. wplee's Avatar
    The event was no way underwhelming. Even 'Apple Lovers' The Verge have posted several articles today buzzing with positivity and called it The best Microsoft event in years.

    But I agree the Lumia section was rushed. Sure, the specs had leaked but they didn't even bother showing any sample photos taken with the new 950/XL which is surprising considering the camera is one of the most important features on a Flagship and normally the best thing to show off on Lumia hardware. It's 5 hours after the event and I still can't find sample photos anywhere!

    I honestly think this is a great time to take a year away from a Windows mobile. Looking at what they have created with Surface Pro4 & the a.m.a.z.i.n.g Surface Book it is clear the Lumias are gonna get a reboot the phone category next year, perhaps with a Galaxy Note rival device with cool premium build and a more stable Windows 10.1 Mobile. I can't wait for October 2016...
    v_emman, libra89, nohra and 2 others like this.
    10-06-2015 04:26 PM
  14. Chris Wayne2's Avatar
    Wow! What a bunch of whiners!! Can you imagine how difficult it must be to cover what 7 new devices in a short allotted time frame?? I don't feel the phone portion was nearly as "sparkly" as say the "hololens" segment but I mean come on it is just a phone right??
    Just a phone?, well, "phones" made Apple one of the most profitable companies ever...
    10-06-2015 04:32 PM
  15. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Just a phone?, well, "phones" made Apple one of the most profitable companies ever...
    It's a bit more complicated than that.

    The iPod made them one of the most profitable companies and the iPhone grew out of that.

    Food for thought. What would have happened if Microsoft did the Zune in 2003 and went all in with it and a Zune Store, using their Windows leverage in the MP3 market before Apple could make a Windows compatible iPod?

    Apple hit the market at the right time and did so at a time when Microsoft was so obsessed with XP and then Longhorn that they missed the boat entirely.

    If the iPod had stayed largely Mac only, the iPhone would not have had its clout outside of a niche and the Zune could've progressed.

    That's not what happened clearly, but the iPhone did not just appear out of nowhere. The profitability began to grow beyond the Mac with the iPod surge that accompanied the launch of the iTunes Store to go with Windows compatibility.
    10-06-2015 04:53 PM
  16. Citizen X's Avatar
    Wireless charging should just be assumed.
    Number one selling phone in the world doesn't have it. Lumia 1520 the flagship in the US for two years doesn't have it built in. Simply showing it on a wireless charger charging and saying it will be sold everywhere with built in Qi charging would take a couple of seconds and be huge. They wasted so much time with cheesy cheer leader stuff.

    User serviceable battery is huge. I mean they sacrificed the aesthetic of the phone for that feature and they don't even mention it! Unibody polycarbonate is nice looking and durable. But it is difficult to access the battery. MSFT should explain to the consumer why they ditched a better design.

    The quick charge USB-C, Continuum, liquid cooling, etc all are much more important to talk about over a tech that debuted on the 920 at the end of 2012.
    Would have been nice if they spoke about what a completely wireless Continuum experience is like. Would have been nice if they spoke about what you could do with external hard drives. Would have been nice if they went into other use scenarios other than wired and MS Office. They showed a video of a game... no actual game play in real time.

    I posted a link to a video of a hands on reviewer who actually opened the phone.

    Face it. These guys left so much out.
    10-06-2015 05:11 PM
  17. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Windows 10 has been on the market for 2 months. Windows 10 Mobile isn't out yet. Windows 10 for Xbox One is getting ready to roll out. Did you seriously think the app gap would have closed this soon? I don't know anyone that didn't expect it to take a minimum of one year or more just to start getting somewhere with it. You are proclaiming failure and it hasn't even started yet.

    Many developers have contracted to start doing Windows 10 apps. We haven't seen them yet, because Windows 10 was only recently released and it takes TIME to develop proper apps. They will come.
    I'm sorry but this is not ms first rodeo in mobile! How many time did they choose to restart? Its almost seem like cut and paste from 3 years ago. Just inserted win10 where w8 was! So for years ms was not trying to lure devs into its platform? But now it Is right? It's not the devs fault that ms wants to keep reseting mobile all the time. Your right I just don't get it. It just seem if ms is " investing millions into it's mobile platform" then in contrast how much is IOS and android pumping? Trillions? I doubt apple sells millions of iPhones in a weekend if there all junk. I guess for me and how my industry is evolving ( 12 volt) the WP dev support for apps has not happen. And from the word im getting from companies like Sony,Kenwood,pioneer,alpine,jl audio,none are interested in making useful apps for the windows platform. I sell alarms that have smartphone capabilities. Those apps have been on IOS and android for a long time and I waited but to no avail. I haven't just waited a couple of months to see WP explode it app game I've been here for years.
    10-06-2015 05:14 PM
  18. donkiluminate's Avatar
    I have to echo what a lot of people are saying. The phone section was underwhelming but if you are a surface fan then today was your day. Those are awesome devices and I'm interested to see the Band 2 reviews.

    I don't know why they bothered with any time on the Xbox. I love my Xbox but it's not new. I thought this even was supposed to be about new devices.

    I understand MS was in a tough place because of all the leaks there was nothing really to announce that we didn't already know. I also understand nobody outside of people on this site care about windows phone. But why not cut the xbox bit and spend a little bit more time on the phone.
    10-06-2015 05:19 PM
  19. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    It was basically:

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    More excited about the Band 2.
    10-06-2015 05:23 PM
  20. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Number one selling phone in the world doesn't have it. Lumia 1520 the flagship in the US for two years doesn't have it built in. Simply showing it on a wireless charger charging and saying it will be sold everywhere with built in Qi charging would take a couple of seconds and be huge. They wasted so much time with cheesy cheer leader stuff.

    User serviceable battery is huge. I mean they sacrificed the aesthetic of the phone for that feature and they don't even mention it! Unibody polycarbonate is nice looking and durable. But it is difficult to access the battery. MSFT should explain to the consumer why they ditched a better design.



    Would have been nice if they spoke about what a completely wireless Continuum experience is like. Would have been nice if they spoke about what you could do with external hard drives. Would have been nice if they went into other use scenarios other than wired and MS Office. They showed a video of a game... no actual game play in real time.

    I posted a link to a video of a hands on reviewer who actually opened the phone.

    Face it. These guys left so much out.
    The wireless Continuum experience is likely not supported quite yet. So how could they demo that?

    What could you do with an external HDD? Did you not see the part of the demo where he pulled images off a thumb drive that was plugged into the dock? I'd assume HDD functionality would be similar. So the DID show something you wanted.

    Why does the wireless charging matter so much? This is a feature that has been on A LOT of Lumias. It is not anything you spend time on unless you want to feature why it's NOT there. But it is there, so why waste time demoing it when you have SO MUCH MORE to get to.

    They had a time limit and had to choose what to do. The Surface is a far more successful product and the Surfacebook is a far bigger news item that is an entirely new device. They needed to spend the most time there.

    This is not an ad and most of the stuff you wanted to hear was already known. Seriously, you want him to go down a bullet list?

    Maybe you should face it that your expectations were not in line with reality. They spent the most time on the feature that they felt was the biggest deal, Continuum, and they highlighted the newest features most, like liquid cooling.

    Considering that this was not an event that was just about phones, I think they did a good job showcasing the 950 and 950XL. Surface was the biggest focus for them, clearly. That is one of their fastest growing businesses, one that is already at near $4 Billion a year and should grow well beyond that.
    a5cent, libra89, Satsumo and 3 others like this.
    10-06-2015 06:23 PM
  21. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    I have to echo what a lot of people are saying. The phone section was underwhelming but if you are a surface fan then today was your day. Those are awesome devices and I'm interested to see the Band 2 reviews.

    I don't know why they bothered with any time on the Xbox. I love my Xbox but it's not new. I thought this even was supposed to be about new devices.

    I understand MS was in a tough place because of all the leaks there was nothing really to announce that we didn't already know. I also understand nobody outside of people on this site care about windows phone. But why not cut the xbox bit and spend a little bit more time on the phone.
    The Xbox was briefly highlighted to promote the lineup again and focus on it's place in the Windows 10 ecosystem. I also think they threw that in to remind people that Xbox users are not among the 110 million users yet.

    They spent A LOT of time stressing the potential for growth in Universal Apps. Anybody else notice how they stated that more people now access Netflix via the app in Windows 10 than they do for a browser? Bingo. They were subtlety suggesting a paradigm shift in Windows as the Store becomes more prominent.

    This is really the long term strategy in mobile. Mobile can always be a viable alternative if Windows 10 grows to 1 Billion users because the apps will be there down the line.

    Just think of the paradigm shift if it is occurring. If people are more prone to want to view maps in an app that could lead to growth for Bing maps and a need for Google to make a Universal Google Maps app.

    This presentation was a lot more about big picture and we know that picture will get further filled out with the presentations OEMs are making.

    I will say it again. Look for LG to show a Windows mobile device at their event.
    a5cent, libra89, stevesu and 3 others like this.
    10-06-2015 06:28 PM
  22. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    "Best product launches by any company ever?"

    Sounds like an Apple commercial.

    I thought it was okay. The Band 2 and Surface 4 (even with W10) looked great. Not impressed by either of the "high end flagships" or the MacBook wannabe.
    10-06-2015 06:35 PM
  23. worldspy99's Avatar
    They whizzed through the phone section, probably because of the damn leaks lol...
    Actually Panos said that he had to breeze through it because of all the leaks!
    libra89 and TechFreak1 like this.
    10-06-2015 06:48 PM
  24. Vexxed's Avatar
    I think phones got ample time considering their place and importance in the W10 lineup.
    thso likes this.
    10-06-2015 07:21 PM
  25. Vexxed's Avatar
    The Xbox was briefly highlighted to promote the lineup again and focus on it's place in the Windows 10 ecosystem. I also think they threw that in to remind people that Xbox users are not among the 110 million users yet.

    They spent A LOT of time stressing the potential for growth in Universal Apps. Anybody else notice how they stated that more people now access Netflix via the app in Windows 10 than they do for a browser? Bingo. They were subtlety suggesting a paradigm shift in Windows as the Store becomes more prominent.

    This is really the long term strategy in mobile. Mobile can always be a viable alternative if Windows 10 grows to 1 Billion users because the apps will be there down the line.

    Just think of the paradigm shift if it is occurring. If people are more prone to want to view maps in an app that could lead to growth for Bing maps and a need for Google to make a Universal Google Maps app.

    This presentation was a lot more about big picture and we know that picture will get further filled out with the presentations OEMs are making.

    I will say it again. Look for LG to show a Windows mobile device at their event.
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    Universal apps is the big play here and its ingenious. If it doesn't work, nothing will and MS dies. They basically get to fix the mobile app problem by flexing their industry strength. They don't even have to pitch developers the phones to address this now because devs need to get on the surface line.

    Us fanboys want to see MS throw phones at us over and over but I really think their new approach is more effective. If a company forgets its strengths when attacking its weakness, it is doomed to fail
    thso likes this.
    10-06-2015 07:26 PM
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