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  1. jasqid's Avatar
    And this is why I wont purchase an unlocked 950. At this point it could be free. Just gonna wait (some more) for the next device wave. (If there is one).
    09-13-2016 10:57 AM
  2. xchaser's Avatar
    Yea, same here. I own a Lumia 925/Tmo and waiting to see what is going to be the deal.
    09-13-2016 11:28 AM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Look at the pricing of Surface line vs 3rd party OEMs. Expect Surface Phone to follow this pattern.

    If you have an OEM making W10M devices in your Region, you should seriously look at supporting them. They need sales to justify growing model portfolios and developing/maintaining firmware. Elitist hardware and pricing won't grow the platform by significant margins...
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    09-13-2016 02:51 PM
  4. sd4f's Avatar
    Look at the pricing of Surface line vs 3rd party OEMs. Expect Surface Phone to follow this pattern.

    If you have an OEM making W10M devices in your Region, you should seriously look at supporting them. They need sales to justify growing model portfolios and developing/maintaining firmware. Elitist hardware and pricing won't grow the platform by significant margins...
    I agree. Thing is, the sort of phone I'd really like, hardware wise would be a windows equivalent of the xperia compact; a flagship phone with ~4.5" screen, 720p display, but ideally a really good camera.

    It annoys me to no end that modern flagships need to be large phones, with absurdly high resolution screens and as a result, poor battery life. There should be the notion of the 'compact flagship'; generally flagship in specs except for screen size and resolution.
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    09-13-2016 07:02 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    It annoys me to no end that modern flagships need to be large phones, with absurdly high resolution screens and as a result, poor battery life. There should be the notion of the 'compact flagship'; generally flagship in specs except for screen size and resolution.
    It is more difficult to get the hardware into a smaller case. The larger the box, the easier the fit.
    RumoredNow, libra89 and aximtreo like this.
    09-13-2016 10:22 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Yeah, I think some users see too many concept phones which ignore the laws of physics and drive a desire for super slim, bezel-less phones with the power to coordinate a NASA satellite program in a 4" screen.

    Or maybe they listen to Apple say that removing a 3.5mm headset jack leaves room for 14% more battery + hardware for a haptic feedback virtual click home button + more camera hardware.
    aximtreo likes this.
    09-14-2016 12:13 PM
  7. Migi2015's Avatar
    Because W10 Mobile is dead but MS doesn't want to admit it yet. Bad publicity and all that.
    theefman likes this.
    09-23-2016 12:33 AM
  8. badelhas's Avatar
    To be honest I hate to see them leave but the situation is starting to remind me of BlackBerry
    FXi2 likes this.
    09-23-2016 12:56 PM
  9. Migi2015's Avatar
    In a world dominated by iPhone & Android there is no room for anything else. It gets even worse when you realize how AR/VR, Mobile payments, home automation control, etc... will be driven off these same mobile devices that Microsoft has no part in.
    09-23-2016 11:03 PM
  10. Vittorio Vaselli's Avatar
    I don't know why you are saying Windows Mobile is dead NOW. It has same usage than 2 years ago, so if it is dead now, it was dead in 2014 too.
    09-24-2016 04:53 AM
  11. xchaser's Avatar
    They said the same thing back when PlayStation and Nintendo owned the console wars. and who is now the top two? Time will only tell.
    09-24-2016 09:45 AM
  12. RumoredNow's Avatar
    In a world dominated by iPhone & Android there is no room for anything else.
    In the short term, certainly. Personally, I can't reconcile iOS and Android as "all there will ever be" with my world view and what i know about history. It is the dominant trend ATM without a doubt, but the future is always up for grabs and what the mobile tech landscape looks like in 5 or 10 years is unknown at this point. There are indicators that the status quo has reached saturation and the beginnings of stagnation.
    libra89 and xchaser like this.
    09-27-2016 10:50 AM
  13. grob9642's Avatar
    I can't agree with this request more! MS needs to get out in front of this mobile debacle and plant their flag. Surface is the best thing they have done in years, this should be the banner for all forward progress in mobile OS.
    Player Piano likes this.
    10-05-2016 06:05 PM
  14. hemanlive's Avatar
    Look at the pricing of Surface line vs 3rd party OEMs. Expect Surface Phone to follow this pattern.

    If you have an OEM making W10M devices in your Region, you should seriously look at supporting them. They need sales to justify growing model portfolios and developing/maintaining firmware. Elitist hardware and pricing won't grow the platform by significant margins...
    Guess you were referring to people from Japan because elsewhere there are no OEMs.
    But I could not agree with you more about the pricing. I always wondered that rather than writing off over $7 billion, why didn't MS sibsidize the windows phones? Why couldn't they sell their phones at half the price? Had they suffered losses? Yes but only marginal, and insignificant compared to the write-off. Would they have gained market shares? Absolutely. Would that have tempted more OEMs? Most likely.
    OEMs are not ditching windows because they are afraid to compete with MS. They ditch it because they just don't see any market for these devices. If MS had shown them the market, allowed them to enter and then raised it prices and then simply exited, no one would have complained.
    Purely from a strategic perspective, you enter a fiercely competitive market which already has two formidable incumbents. You believe you have a better product, but customers are not sure. Even in your view, you have only an incrementally better product. So the only way to make a foothold in such a scenario was price. Yet, while Lumia pricing was cheaper than iPhones, yet it was costlier than most Android phones. People on this website have given numerous 'justifications' for the price, but that in my view was major barrier preventing people from trying out windows back then.
    Now it is almost too late as differential in market share, and apps, has increased considerably
    aximtreo likes this.
    10-06-2016 05:22 AM
  15. garisa's Avatar
    If it was like that, they wouldn't bother with the four new Lumia's, plus, they wouldn't waste their resources in polishing their Mobile OS.

    It's not dead.

    Sent from mTalk on Windows 10 phone
    Charis Ntouroutlis likes this.
    10-06-2016 05:37 AM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I always wondered that rather than writing off over $7 billion, why didn't MS sibsidize the windows phones? Why couldn't they sell their phones at half the price? Had they suffered losses? Yes but only marginal, and insignificant compared to the write-off. Would they have gained market shares? Absolutely. Would that have tempted more OEMs? Most likely.
    How would undercutting the price any other OEM could match attract new manufacturers? Counter-intuitive. MS takes a loss on every phone they sell so any new maker must also run at a loss to compete for consumer dollars in the same space...
    anon(6078578), libra89 and a5cent like this.
    10-06-2016 11:03 AM
  17. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    How would undercutting the price any other OEM could match attract new manufacturers? Counter-intuitive. MS takes a loss on every phone they sell so any new maker must also run at a loss to compete for consumer dollars in the same space...
    I agree. Even as someone who isn't a flagship buyer, price wasn't their problem, although I do think the Lumia 950/950XL should've been priced lower.
    10-09-2016 11:01 AM
  18. FXi2's Avatar
    The market wants larger devices and graphics wow people so that sells too. If they could people would carry something the size of their television in their pocket. But that said, larger screens have been wholly gobbled down and now the vendors are starting to foray into 6-7" devices and finding they are "desired". Meanwhile tiny phones are gradually becoming like flip phones, cute but nothing you'd really "use". I don't believe all that, but that's where the sentiment lies in the market. I think we benefit from choices, so I think large, medium, small with most fitting in the medium category is best overall. But heck, sentiments change.

    Try to remember, everyone, that right now the margins are getting nasty and many OEM's aren't going to survive for many more years. Cutting devices is more a matter of that reflection and also with MS. They can subsidize a device but for how long? And with margins so low, it's hard to make back your money on future devices that you may sell. It's not that there aren't billions of dollars to be made, but you have to sell a lot of devices to get there. When you cut orders for parts your costs go up. Idle factories or labor and costs go up. Apple makes money but they give you half the features, no fast charging, no USB 3, no OLED in order to keep the margins up. But that's changing for them too and they know it. What everyone sees is that in 10 years you will buy a phone like you'd buy a small camera now. Go spend $100 pick your color and your brand and then who cares. The current pricing is like the last hurrah. OLED, for example, costs a fraction of what it once did. So anyone going in now hoping to make money later has a pretty serious strategy problem facing them. How to do that? But meanwhile if you make the software that can run on any chip and any device, you DO have an answer for when anyone wants to use it on any device. So the long term isn't totally glum, but it's not all roses either. You can have a future making software for any devices but how many manufacturers are going to be making devices at all and making any money doing it?
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    02-18-2017 08:45 AM
  19. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    Mainly because what you and I and the fans consider Windows Mobile is different than what MS considers Windows Mobile. We think of phones and hardware, they think of software. Winows Mobile isn't dead. It's continually being updated as a software solution. This is how they can get away with not saying anything about WIndows Phone. Phones are dead, hardware wise, as far as they are concered. Even when (if) the "Surface Phone" comes out, they will not call it a phone, it will be a mobile device. I believe WIndows Mobile will end up being the new Windows Cloud service we are hearing about and that software will be on mid and lower end phones and tablets from other OEM's. Windows 10 with the adaptive shell will be on the Surface Phone.

    Giving up on phone was a huge mistake, they had momentum back around the 1020, 1520 and 520 device time period. They had larger market share than iPhone is 14 countries or something like that and were growing in the US actually went from 2% to a little over 4% in a years time. They were as high as 14 % in other parts of the world. Mobile and phones are where the current and future consumer interest is and they blew it. Nadella really screwed this up. They may be looking to create a new market but it will never be near the size of the current sartphone market that they abandoned. The low tech, general person will have no interest in a 800-100 smartphone that doubles as your computer. They want their 640's 950's etc. Huge mistake that will really end up costing them and I believe will be the moment we will look back on that started the drastic change in MS and it's fortunes down the road.

    But, as I said, Windows Mobile is not dead. It's constantly being updated and will probably transform into something a bit different sooner than later. They have a different view of it than we do.
    02-18-2017 01:37 PM
  20. SL2's Avatar
    They had larger market share than iPhone is 14 countries or something like that and were growing in the US actually went from 2% to a little over 4% in a years time. They were as high as 14 % in other parts of the world. Mobile and phones are where the current and future consumer interest is and they blew it. Nadella really screwed this up.
    As much as I agree, I'm still not sure it's that simple. Nadella sacrificed Mobile just to save the rest of the company, more or less.

    Two simple things that would have improved the W10M model launch, without adding that much cost (purely speculating, old rant):

    1 - Don't launch before ~10586.107, the first builds were half baked. Let people wait, it's better than launching the next big mobile OS that's not ready for review. The reviews at launch gets all the attention, very few (fewer than the WP market share) cares what happens 3 months later.
    Ironically, the bad rep is the reason for why I bought a 950, the price dropped quickly..

    2 - Give the 950's the same design as the 650. This is such a no-brainer. Why make the premium models look cheaper?

    It wouldn't make much difference in terms of market share today though, I know that.
    What pisses me of is that MS didn't even try the best with what they had.

    Then we have all the OS versions, some upgrade limitations makes sense here, but not all.

    Windows Mobile 6.5 can't be upgraded Windows Phone 7.
    Windows Phone 7 can't be upgraded Windows Phone 8.
    Windows Phone 8.1 can't be upgraded Windows 10 Mobile officially (most models).
    Windows Phone 8 RT can't be upgraded Windows 10 of any kind officially.

    The problem is that MS start from scratch way too often with their Mobile versions. This scares users and developers away, besides the app gap, and just as important, app QUALITY gap.
    At the same time they developed W10M for Android phones (for a while), just to **** off WM users even more. It's technically possible to upgrade an Android phone to WM, but not older WP models?

    I don't expect to be running Windows 10 ARM on my 950 in the future, for obvious reasons, and I don't need to. I just want some decent apps that keeps on getting updated, that's all.
    barbaram likes this.
    02-19-2017 09:24 AM
  21. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Windows phone is pretty much dead. Microsoft seem to see it as some sort of embarrassment now too. So they are scared to mention it or talk about it. Kind of like a 'don't ask, don't tell policy'. This does echo BlackBerry and Nokia of the Symbian days too. The writing is definitely on the wall and the mystical Surface phone, most likely, either will never arrive, or won't save the day either.

    But that doesn't stop us from enjoying the platform and our devices now for what they can do for us, instead of worrying about something we have no control over. So keep on rocking your Windows phone devices until Microsoft tells us it's time to move on. We sustain the platform ourselves, through sites like this and the forums. That is the best we can expect.
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    02-20-2017 06:38 AM
  22. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    We live in a world where selling 1 million in the last 4 months is called "dead" by "some people". I wonder how many of us, here on this forum, have sold 1 million of anything in their entire life.
    Interesting.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 02-20-2017 at 07:48 AM.
    02-20-2017 07:17 AM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    We live in a world where selling 1 million in the last 4 months is called "dead" by "some people". I wonder how many of us, here on this forum, have sold 1 million of anything in their entire life.
    Interesting.
    Exactly. What if their plans work out and they become a niche market for businesses and others who want a similar experience. Are they still a failure or dead because they're not selling as much as Apple or Android?

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-20-2017 07:27 AM
  24. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Support Windows mobile phones, if you like them, or be part of the problem.
    TgeekB and Charis Ntouroutlis like this.
    02-20-2017 10:44 PM
  25. SL2's Avatar
    We live in a world where selling 1 million in the last 4 months is called "dead" by "some people". I wonder how many of us, here on this forum, have sold 1 million of anything in their entire life.
    The numbers alone isn't the issue here, it's the consequences of those numbers. MS doesn't sell enough to make the app developers stay, and that's a problem.
    02-21-2017 04:39 AM
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