10-06-2017 11:33 AM
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  1. Al Sacco's Avatar
    I'm a relatively new Windows/Surface convert, and before I switched from Mac to Windows, I'd been using macOS for years. I'm also a big keyboard shortcut and gesture guy, meaning I actually take the time to learn and remember as many shortcuts and gestures in the OS I'm using as possible, because they genuinely help me get more work done faster.

    Before making the switch from Mac to Windows, I'd been using Apple's Magic Trackpad 2 in place of a mouse. And I'd really become used to using gestures and swiping up and down, left and right, to scroll. So when I bought my new Surface Pro, I immediately noticed that Microsoft doesn’t offer any sort of external trackpad for it, even though Windows supports a number of gestures. For example, when I use my Surface Pro along with my Signature Type Cover, I can swipe up and down with two fingers to scroll, and swipe up and down with three digits to show or hide the desktop.

    It seems odd that Microsoft wouldn't have released some sort of Surface trackpad to utilize the various gestures built into Windows. What do you think? Why hasn't Microsoft released one? And do you know of any third-party trackpads that you recommend?
    aXross likes this.
    09-29-2017 08:24 AM
  2. jlwaters11's Avatar
    I'm a relatively new Windows/Surface convert, and before I switched from Mac to Windows, I'd been using macOS for years. I'm also a big keyboard shortcut and gesture guy, meaning I actually take the time to learn and remember as many shortcuts and gestures in the OS I'm using as possible, because they genuinely help me get more work done faster.

    Before making the switch from Mac to Windows, I'd been using Apple's Magic Trackpad 2 in place of a mouse. And I'd really become used to using gestures and swiping up and down, left and right, to scroll. So when I bought my new Surface Pro, I immediately noticed that Microsoft doesn’t offer any sort of external trackpad for it, even though Windows supports a number of gestures. For example, when I use my Surface Pro along with my Signature Type Cover, I can swipe up and down with two fingers to scroll, and swipe up and down with three digits to show or hide the desktop.

    It seems odd that Microsoft wouldn't have released some sort of Surface trackpad to utilize the various gestures built into Windows. What do you think? Why hasn't Microsoft released one? And do you know of any third-party trackpads that you recommend?
    I honestly don't understand the question, why would there need to be a SURFACE TRACKPAD separate from the trackpad on the Surface keyboard?
    Imo, a trackpad is only useful for casual tasks, it's not a legitimate tool for extensive work. The arctouch mouse is perfect for extensive tasks

    What is more needed Imo, is a SURFACE KEYPAD, as an Accounting and finance professional a numbers keypad is absolutely necessary.


    That's why a Surface can never be my main device- I have a 15" HP laptop because of the keypad. It they put out a bluetooth Surface keypad with the same magnesium finish. That would be amazing.
    fdruid and Jim Roscovius like this.
    10-01-2017 01:30 PM
  3. Riopato's Avatar
    Microsoft does make a wireless keyboard trackpad combo but it's not a Surface brand, it's multimedia keyboard mainly for HTPCs and streaming devices. I'm sure they will come out with something similar for their Xbox one and then offer a rebranded Surface edition.
    10-01-2017 01:50 PM
  4. Austin Andelin's Avatar
    That would be nice. No replacement for a mouse, but it's useful for scrolling and gestures.
    10-01-2017 02:45 PM
  5. Onager1286's Avatar
    I honestly don't understand the question, why would there need to be a SURFACE TRACKPAD separate from the trackpad on the Surface keyboard?
    Imo, a trackpad is only useful for casual tasks, it's not a legitimate tool for extensive work. The arctouch mouse is perfect for extensive tasks

    What is more needed Imo, is a SURFACE KEYPAD, as an Accounting and finance professional a numbers keypad is absolutely necessary.


    That's why a Surface can never be my main device- I have a 15" HP laptop because of the keypad. It they put out a bluetooth Surface keypad with the same magnesium finish. That would be amazing.
    Well, no, laptops/2-in-1 PCs that already have a trackpad don't need it. But think about something like the Surface Studio - a desktop style computer. A trackpad would be really nice.

    Also, I find your point about a number pad strange. There are plenty of options on the market. On the other hand, there are pretty much zero standalone trackpads available for Windows, let along solutions that are worth anything, and gestures are pretty great when you get used to them. I agree, though, that for many work tasks, a mouse is going to offer much better/comfortable control.
    10-01-2017 02:47 PM
  6. wpcautobot's Avatar
    I think they should only think about releasing a track pad once they improve the quality of the other Surface peripherals. The Surface mouse is cheap feeling and slightly too small. They Surface keyboards are nice, but the keys themselves are cheap looking and feeling plastic. Surface peripherals must be consistently high quality in look and feel. Those are not yet. The Dial and pen though are I believe, albeit the pen too slippery and hard to feel where the button is.
    Onager1286 likes this.
    10-01-2017 02:47 PM
  7. SvenJ's Avatar
    Was going to say Logitech makes a great one. I have one, T650. Apparently not anymore. Some company wants $229 for one at Amazon. No way. Personally I much prefer a mouse and just use the touch screen for those things that require gestures, or the trackpad that is on the Surface keyboard. I don't think MS needs to make a Surface trackpad, but someone needs to make a Windows 10 one. WTH Logitech?
    10-01-2017 03:30 PM
  8. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    I don't see the need for a special or seperate trackpad in the surface line. Having used a few surface pro devices for years I have found the touch screen sufficient enough to navigate with touch or pen, and the keyboard. I turn all the trackpads off in settings. All the times I do use the trackpad I can count on two hands. The touchscreen is so great I think the surface type cover doesn't really need a trackpad. Windows 10 also has a built in virtual trackpad if necessary.
    What the surface does need is the return of the power cover. More batterylife is always good.
    fdruid likes this.
    10-01-2017 05:01 PM
  9. Schinwinkwinsky's Avatar
    I believe Microsoft should create a keyboard with a detachable track pad. This way it could be large and the user could use it with any hand, left or right. My hand gets too tired when I use the track pad for a long time.
    Wan Firas likes this.
    10-01-2017 08:33 PM
  10. rromerof's Avatar
    I'm a relatively new Windows/Surface convert, and before I switched from Mac to Windows, I'd been using macOS for years. I'm also a big keyboard shortcut and gesture guy, meaning I actually take the time to learn and remember as many shortcuts and gestures in the OS I'm using as possible, because they genuinely help me get more work done faster.

    Before making the switch from Mac to Windows, I'd been using Apple's Magic Trackpad 2 in place of a mouse. And I'd really become used to using gestures and swiping up and down, left and right, to scroll. So when I bought my new Surface Pro, I immediately noticed that Microsoft doesn’t offer any sort of external trackpad for it, even though Windows supports a number of gestures. For example, when I use my Surface Pro along with my Signature Type Cover, I can swipe up and down with two fingers to scroll, and swipe up and down with three digits to show or hide the desktop.

    It seems odd that Microsoft wouldn't have released some sort of Surface trackpad to utilize the various gestures built into Windows. What do you think? Why hasn't Microsoft released one? And do you know of any third-party trackpads that you recommend?
    The question is: Should M$ release anything? I have a Trackpad like device from Logitech and it works like a charm. Why M$ should release another one?
    10-01-2017 09:48 PM
  11. fdruid's Avatar
    What would this entail? A separate rectangle that you use with your fingers? Is there an equivalent product from another company, even? I don't think it's a very successful type of peripheral in any case. But no, in either case it makes no sense to me, at all. Nor does it make sense to make a WC article out of a post like this with such a random idea.
    Jim Roscovius likes this.
    10-01-2017 10:09 PM
  12. Onager1286's Avatar
    Here is Apple's. It's for use with desktop computers, people, not laptops.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/e?...token=o5096RYk
    10-01-2017 10:44 PM
  13. HeyCori's Avatar
    My Logitech T650 is still alive and kicking. I would love if Logitech or Microsoft created a new one. Heck, the T650 is so good that I'd be happy if they just re-released it. I know a few people that use Apple's Magic Trackpad and they love it. And if something happened to it, they can just go buy another. There's no equivalent for Windows that's readily available. Trackpads (and the gesture controls that come with it) may not be appropriate for every situation, but they're still nice to use.
    10-01-2017 11:52 PM
  14. mrmpal's Avatar
    I have wished for exactly that ever since switching from Macs to a Surface Pro 4. The gestures are extremely useful. There's more work to be done under the hood, though--using the Magic Trackpad 2 in any Adobe application is seamless. Pinch-to-zoom, 2-finger pan in any direction, it's wonderful. By contrast, the trackpad on my Surface Typecover can't zoom in Adobe apps, and can only scroll stutteringly up and down, or left to right. You can tell it's honoring the archaic Scroll 3 Lines at a Time scroll wheel setting left over from XP days. Even then, horizontal scrolling is unreliable (in Adobe apps). There's no smooth scrolling as in UWP apps.

    I really like the Surface Pro, but for "creatives" switching over from Macs, the trackpad experience is still jarringly inferior.

    Tried the Logitech mentioned here--it was such a disappointment compared to even the original Magic Trackpad that I gave up pretty quickly. Not necessarily hardware-wise (although I can't remember if it's a "precision" touchpad or not, which is apparently important), but rather the implementation throughout the OS.
    phsieben likes this.
    10-02-2017 02:41 AM
  15. Lepoete's Avatar
    I'm not a fan of trackpads, I always use a mouse with my PCs and laptops. But isn't the Surface Mouse having a touch surface for gesture? Wouldn't it be like a trackpad in a way?
    Jim Roscovius likes this.
    10-02-2017 09:28 AM
  16. phsieben's Avatar
    A standalone trackpad by MS would be very appreciated. I use a Magic Trackpad and a MX Master with my Mac mini and I don't want to miss it anymore. In order to minimize stress on my hand and arm it's wonderful to switch between those two devices. The gestures (up to 4 fingers) are somehow hardwired to my hand now. Many times I miss the convenience of those gestures on my Windows desktop. For everyday navigational tasks the trackpad, for me, is superior. It' still different from having a touchscreen, which I don't have or even want on my desktop.
    10-02-2017 10:15 AM
  17. Roger Jones1's Avatar
    Make a device, keypad on one side, track pad on reverse.
    Last edited by Roger Jones1; 10-02-2017 at 10:28 AM. Reason: Correcting spelling
    10-02-2017 10:27 AM
  18. Al Sacco's Avatar
    Thanks for all the feedback. It's useful. As mentioned by some folks, I'm talking about using a trackpad along with a desktop-like configuration, though not necessarily the Surface Studio. For example, I use my Surface Pro with two external monitors and a keyboard and mouse. But I really miss the trackpad I used with my old MacBook, in a similar destop-like setup. I also agree the Surface Arc Mouse is garbage, but the Surface keyboards are solid, in my experience.
    10-02-2017 01:31 PM
  19. Rann Xeroxx's Avatar
    This is PC, not Mac. Want a external track pad, buy one, there are plenty out there. Why does MS have to build this? Get out of the Apple mindset.
    theefman likes this.
    10-02-2017 01:49 PM
  20. kevin sinsimer's Avatar
    I have been craving a sleek trackpad for my PC for years. I know many companies make it, but I would love a nice, clean one. I know if they made it under the surface name, it would be prestige quality.
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    10-02-2017 02:00 PM
  21. Al Sacco's Avatar
    Did you even read the full post? Crtainly doesn't seem like it, because I asked for recommendations on third-party options. If there are "plenty out there" why don't you recommend one?
    10-02-2017 02:23 PM
  22. aXross's Avatar
    Try Logitech T650 from Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Rech...pUvbUpU3707602. It seems Logitech didn't continue to make one sadly. Other than that, keyboards with trackpad are the options such as from Microsoft and Logitech.
    https://forums.windowscentral.com/e?...token=IgYLJ0Cy
    Illuminated Living-Room HTPC Keyboard K830 - Logitech

    I think the demand of dedicated trackpad to Windows customers is really small, well because trackpad support on Windows back them were really mostly okay to not-good, thus most are stuck with mouse. Its not uncommon that people carrying laptops still buy and carry a mouse, only lately that trend is slowly changing from that habit.

    If Microsoft were to release a Surface Trackpad, that would be great and may encourage peripherals manufactures to make one for Windows.

    We get it, we have touchscreen on Windows PCs. But trackpads are more ergonomic and affordable than having touchscreen monitors, actually is there any good touchscreen monitors out there? Touchscreens are mostly available only on laptops and some AiOs.

    Hopefully somebody will make one or Microsoft should offer one under the Surface brand. That brand alone may get traction especially if its really good. Dedicated trackpads may never be as mainstream as mouse, but at least having it available is nicer and its actually good for most casual task to most people. Even for work its really usable as long as its good. If we have more advance gestures on Windows 10, it would be great.
    10-03-2017 04:26 AM
  23. mtiede's Avatar
    I really like the design of the t650 and how it works and how long it lasts between charges.
    10-03-2017 07:41 AM
  24. Nicolas Ramz's Avatar
    How about a mouse with a touch Surface? Would love that. Too bad current Surface Mouse doesn't provide gestures.
    10-03-2017 12:09 PM
  25. TabletWriter's Avatar
    Hey Al, I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but a few years ago Microsoft released the Microsoft Touch mouse. It's still available on Amazon for $25 -- I paid $80 when it first came out. It takes a while to get used to it, but fully supports 1, 2, and 3 finger gestures. If you download the Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard software, you can edit the gestures to your liking. I've had mine for a few years and like it quite a bit. As a cross between and trackpad and a mouse, it takes a bit to get used to it, but once you do, it's pretty great. The first thing you'll notice is that it's a heavy mouse; this is desirable because you don't want it to accidentally move when you're using gestures. Anyway, at this price, it may be worth a try. But remember, give it time before passing judgement. It probably took me a month before I really grokked it.
    10-05-2017 01:13 PM
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