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  1. Huime's Avatar
    welcome to the family and wish you all the best.
    Banking app is a bit tricky, but the others are replaceable. Broaden your choices and always live happy.
    03-06-2013 11:24 AM
  2. anon(5687802)'s Avatar
    You guys are pretty cool. I think I will like it here.

    Thanks for the welcome Huime.
    03-06-2013 11:48 AM
  3. Ashe Too's Avatar
    Using an HTC WP8X on Verizon:

    1(a). VOICE MAIL: Integrate visual voice mail into the phone function so I don't have to close the phone to use visual voice mail. And set up voice mail so that the messages are downloaded as they come in rather than downloading only when I open the visual voice mail app. And improve the audio quality of visual voice mail - mine crackles on play back.

    1(b). PHONE: use some color on the phone screens to give cues to functions and draw attention to functional areas. Improve phone interface to enable conference calls, to hold call while answering call waiting, etc. UX, UX, UX...this stuff ain't rocket science or brain surgery.

    1(c). CALL HISTORY: since MS is the OS best positioned to serve those of us who work for a living, and since hourly billing is a common function, there's no legit reason why this phone does not have a detailed call history showing all calls, name of caller for all calls to/from people in contacts and phone numbers for calls to/from people not in contacts, date and time of call, duration of call, etc - and this info should be exportable to csv file or, better yet since this is a Microsoft product after all, an Excel file.

    NOTE: these issues with the voice mail and phone functions are nearly inexcusable in the iPhone era.

    2. AUDIO / VOLUME: Volume controls are whacky. E.g.1, if I turn the phone volume all the way to zero, it is still audible. Zero should be totally mute. It's as if the volume control only controls the top half of the range. E.g.2, the scale of the ringer is 0-30 and the scale of the audio volume is 0-10. E.g.3, the volume should just be an analog slider rather than digital readout. E.g.4, when the volume of the ringer is set to a low enough level that it is not obnoxiously loud, then the volume for other notifications is too quiet; and the volume for tactile feedback / keyboard sounds is inaudible in all but the quietest environment.

    NOTE: the audio and volume issues make the phone seem like it was designed by disparate committees of communist workers who couldn't have cared less.

    3. KEYBOARD 1: Remove the icons from below the keyboard on text and email screens. Make the keyboard layout identical from app to app except a context sensitive area ABOVE the keyboard where it can be easily seen and not be inadvertently tapped.

    4. KEYBOARD 2: Give a 3D graphical effect to all keys on the keyboard and controls in the OS to aid in tricking the mind to more accurate use of keyboard and controls. This is one reason why the iPhone's keyboard is vastly, vastly superior (like so many things Apple does well, the details are the dealmaker...that said I dumped my iPhone because the whole Apple subculture is plain annoying).

    4. TILES: Enable tile-by-tile control of color, properties and functionality. Give me the ability to have the tiles display info and not give me a g@d@m slide show that turns the start screen into a peep show of slides, images and info!

    5. FACEBOOK: The MS app is awful. Do whatever is necessary to get that twit Zuckerberg to push his minions to develop an FB app for the WP platform.
    03-06-2013 11:34 PM
  4. spaulagain's Avatar
    Typing on my WP is on par with my iPhone 4. In some ways its better because of the predictive text which means half the time I don't need to even type the words.
    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 03-10-2013 at 11:27 PM.
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    03-07-2013 06:43 PM
  5. irvin792's Avatar
    +1

    Typing on my WP is on par with my iPhone 4. In some ways its better because of the predictive text which means half the time I don't need to even type the words.
    WP keyboard is amazing, far superior than any other virtual keyboard I've ever used. That's just my opinion though of course.
    03-07-2013 06:52 PM
  6. Axon Dendrite's Avatar
    Not me. I am likely changing to iPhone. In my line of work the texts come at night. If I am deeply asleep, I miss these important text messages and end up in trouble. What is a smart phone without a functional app for text messages?
    03-10-2013 03:49 AM
  7. PinkiePi's Avatar
    The ability to change the colour of the background to more than just light or dark would be a big improvement. I wish we had more options for the accents. It's hard to believe than options like dark and light grey and black are not available for that.
    03-10-2013 07:43 PM
  8. clindhartsen's Avatar
    Edit: I thought I replied to a different thread talking about backgrounds directly, not a thread about the possible avenues for improvement in Windows Phone. Didn't mean to post complaints in this thread, sorry.

    I'm wondering, how does Windows Phone "get boring"? We've been background-less since the first time we saw Windows Phone 7 Series back in February of 2010. The choice of light and dark allows for app developers to create apps with a fair amount of knowledge of how their app should look on people's phones. When you consider tile colors, allowing for black or white creates an issue where the accent color should end up being invisible, making the phone unusable for a user, or it would view different in app than out of app, which adds complexity.

    The introduction of a background, especially with how little screen space is available in the first place, doesn't seem useful to the concept of "glance and go." If the background becomes complex, it distracts the user and removed part of the whole concept behind the phone. Even so, including a way to create custom colors could be good, though it'd have to include failsafes to make sure a user doesn't make their phone unusable.
    Last edited by clindhartsen; 03-11-2013 at 12:04 AM.
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    03-10-2013 10:25 PM
  9. rhodri22's Avatar
    The beauty of Windows Phone is it's minimalism. People should be talking about what they want to take away from the phones UI (eg. the 'gutter') rather than what to add.

    What I'd personally like to see is a feature in the OS that sees if you're using a dynamic wallpaper, like Bing, and then determines the best accent / background colours based on the picture at the time, and also updates as the picture changes. IMO this would make your phone less 'boring' and would add more colour simplicity to the phone experience.
    a5cent, abel920, Gaichuke and 2 others like this.
    03-10-2013 10:48 PM
  10. abel920's Avatar
    But minimalism doesn't work for everyone though.


    Anyways, here's my two cents to everyone who hate backgrounds :p

    Some people want backgrounds like me, some hate backgrounds. Some people love minimalism, some people want a lively home screen.

    Why so opposed to the idea of backgrounds? It doesn't hurt to have the options for background. Fine, you don't like backgrounds, then don't put any! It's that simple. I don't get why some people who hate this idea are so abrasive towards this idea. Having backgrounds doesn't mean that they have to have a background, they can just leave their screens blank.

    We always complain that WP is not doing well, blah blah blah (even though I think they're actually doing great), what's really killing the fun and the hype is our own selves. We're too close-minded to the full potentials of WP.

    "We don't want this and we don't want that. We want only tiles, we don't want to look like Androids or iOS. We hate widgets". Just sit down. Stop being so close minded. Be accepting of new ideas and suggestions. Just because you don't like the idea, doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

    I ALWAYS love new ideas and suggestions, good or bad, I just want more features! Right now, with the apps we have, it's really going there!

    I just don't like the pretentiousness and the close mindedness we have (yes, I do admit to those traits).

    Other than that, WP is starting to really fuel off! I'm so proud of how far we've come!

    Just give us backgrounds! :p

    Anyways, I LOVE THAT idea of Bing wallpapers auto matching the tiles! That's awesome!
    03-10-2013 11:22 PM
  11. rhodri22's Avatar
    I'm not against backgrounds. I personally just think that cluttering up the OS will make the phone less minimal. The idea that Microsoft is trying to push with WP is that the OS fades into the background and pushes the stuff you want into the foreground.

    By adding background support though, WP risks becoming a generic looking OS, at a time when adoption needs to happen. Anything extra that helps the tiles stand out at this time is vital for the future of the OS. When WP has the benefit of a solid position in the market (15%?), then Microsoft can look to do feature like this, as it is more of a 'bonus feature' rather one that boost the phones usability / appeal.

    Saying that though, I'm against the idea of custom backgrounds, but more like the ones you get with Windows 8, a selection of premade and tested choices. This way the backgrounds could be seamlessly added into apps because developers would still have some UI principals to guide them, therefore providing the solid WP experience we all know and love.
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    03-11-2013 12:37 AM
  12. spaulagain's Avatar
    But minimalism doesn't work for everyone though.


    Anyways, here's my two cents to everyone who hate backgrounds :p

    Some people want backgrounds like me, some hate backgrounds. Some people love minimalism, some people want a lively home screen.

    Why so opposed to the idea of backgrounds? It doesn't hurt to have the options for background. Fine, you don't like backgrounds, then don't put any! It's that simple. I don't get why some people who hate this idea are so abrasive towards this idea. Having backgrounds doesn't mean that they have to have a background, they can just leave their screens blank.

    We always complain that WP is not doing well, blah blah blah (even though I think they're actually doing great), what's really killing the fun and the hype is our own selves. We're too close-minded to the full potentials of WP.

    "We don't want this and we don't want that. We want only tiles, we don't want to look like Androids or iOS. We hate widgets". Just sit down. Stop being so close minded. Be accepting of new ideas and suggestions. Just because you don't like the idea, doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

    I ALWAYS love new ideas and suggestions, good or bad, I just want more features! Right now, with the apps we have, it's really going there!

    I just don't like the pretentiousness and the close mindedness we have (yes, I do admit to those traits).

    Other than that, WP is starting to really fuel off! I'm so proud of how far we've come!

    Just give us backgrounds! :p

    Anyways, I LOVE THAT idea of Bing wallpapers auto matching the tiles! That's awesome!
    You have a background, its called the lock screen. And many tiles use images for their "live" state so it would seem even more ridiculous to have those on top of some custom background.

    If you want full customizations where you can manipulate the OS to pure uglinesss, then Android is your desired OS.

    The purpose of the start/home screen is to deliver content from apps/hubs. A background image would heavily distract from that functionality. Also, the home screen on WP does not have that much "background" showing, so why the **** would it matter? You'd see like 5p pixels of the image you've added.
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    03-11-2013 02:32 AM
  13. Gaichuke's Avatar
    Stop being so close minded. Be accepting of new ideas and suggestions. Just because you don't like the idea, doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

    Just give us backgrounds! :p
    Not approving the argument favoring custom backgrounds (even as an alternative option) has nothing to do with close mindedness or arrogance. That suggestion is just so fundamentally bad idea that it can't be agreed upon.

    Instead of giving the usual arguments against them I would like to try something different to get across the message. I would like you to give me a link to a background image of your choice and I'll photoshop it to a WP8 Start screen. You can then decide if you like the result.
    03-11-2013 02:44 AM
  14. abel920's Avatar
    You have a background, its called the lock screen. And many tiles use images for their "live" state so it would seem even more ridiculous to have those on top of some custom background.

    If you want full customizations where you can manipulate the OS to pure uglinesss, then Android is your desired OS.

    The purpose of the start/home screen is to deliver content from apps/hubs. A background image would heavily distract from that functionality. Also, the home screen on WP does not have that much "background" showing, so why the **** would it matter? You'd see like 5p pixels of the image you've added.

    Like I said, different people have different preferences. I agree with your point. So I can't hold it against you.

    But Windows is just as, if not, even more customisable than Android/Linux, or w/e.. because it's Windows.. it's extremely accessible, and it's easy to do.

    Customizing with Android and Linux? Pssh.. What? Do you seriously need a 10-step command line step by step on how to change font, and how to change a resolution? Nope.
    My professor once said, Windows are for people who want it easy, and I agree, WP so far for me, has been so easy to use, and it's such a god send.

    I mean, different people have smartphones for different reasons. For you, it's obviously functionality, but for me, I want some artistic creativity as well. Why so abrasive to that idea? It's not for people like you, it's for people like me. Don't like backgrounds? Then leave the background blank. Easy. Done.
    03-11-2013 06:00 PM
  15. clindhartsen's Avatar
    One of the largest issues I've seen is the point that Sharing is a mess on Windows Phone.

    I wrote up something about that here, but in short it's inconsistent across the integrated apps, not even to mention third party apps. Compared to Windows 8, or even Android, each provide the ability of third party apps to talk to one another to share content. Windows Phone 8 doesn't appear to have this outside of links, and links are limited to Facebook, Twitter, and possibly other integrated third party apps.

    If Microsoft can evolve sharing in Windows Phone to let third party apps tie into a Windows Phone style-UI, or maybe just make the list that you see in Photos available elsewhere, either would be nice to make it more consistent and maybe make it something both developers and users could like.
    03-12-2013 01:24 AM
  16. josephtd's Avatar
    I was rightfully redirected to this thread form one I posted today. I am a bit amazed at the attitude of some of the posters here regarding the insane gaps in basic functionality of Windows Phone 8. Yea, I have had several iPhones(Org, 3G,4), I've gone back to Symbians (E71, recently E6 for the **** of it) from time to item and back in the day used both Blackberry and Windows Mobile(Can you say Treo?), but I don't recall any of them being as seemingly slick and completed flawed at the same time. WP8 is truly a conundrum. Let's not talk about the App support.

    - VPN Support
    - Improvements to contacts (tone customizations, etc)
    - The litany of issues with volume controls - even Apple finally fixed that
    - custom tones
    - general lack of customization period, notice I listed no android above, so I am not looking for that level of tinkering, but come on..

    Granted several of these objections come from me trying to hack together solutions on this 920 for which apps exist for the rest of the world. I guess I turn this into a pass down phone as I have been living a love-hate relationship with this thing since November.

    I really don't really understand how in the current age of smartphones WP8 is defensible.
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    03-12-2013 04:04 PM
  17. Onerunjunior's Avatar
    I'd really like to see the ability to save photos from anywhere with a long press. The biggest issue I have is no being able to kill apps in any form, I've had many times where Rowi was acting really weird, and the only way to get it to stop was to reboot my 920. Really annoying to have to do all that to kill an app because of annoying behavior. The biggest omission is the complete lack of sound customization, how they can release a mobile OS that is missing a feature that has been around for ~10 years in absolutely incredible. Custom sounds for everything is a feature that is unforgivable if missing. The worst thing of all is the utter garbage of a media playback app. The music app is horrible. Absolutely horrible. Shame because I wanted to replace my iPod with my 920, but that's never going to happen as long as the music app is so utterly useless.
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    03-12-2013 05:24 PM
  18. rhodri22's Avatar
    I mean, different people have smartphones for different reasons. For you, it's obviously functionality, but for me, I want some artistic creativity as well. Why so abrasive to that idea? It's not for people like you, it's for people like me. Don't like backgrounds? Then leave the background blank. Easy. Done.
    Once again, Microsoft clearly don't think it matters to lots of people, and therefore it's not a vital feature. If it was, then lots of people would be screaming for it, like they are for Instagram.
    If at all, this feature will come once WP has been able to sustain itself in the market, and Microsoft is looking for the minority groups of people (artistic in this case) to please.

    In other words, it's not relevant, because it's an 'I want feature' rather than an 'I need feature'.
    03-12-2013 06:00 PM
  19. dba415's Avatar
    Windows Phone has pros but overall it's still not as good an os as IOS or android.

    Notifications are terribly managed. If you get a text message, you get one small bar at the top of the phone, and you can't even read the entire message without having to open up the app. I've never had an Android phone so I can't say how it works there, but on iOS you can see the entire message just off your lock screen, and it STAYS on the screen after. I'm sure similar functionality is on Android.

    Live tiles, while in theory, is pretty good, is NOT as good as a pull down notification center that Android and iOS has. In any app, you can see your notifications in one spot. In windows phone, you must exit an app and go to the home screen. Furthermore, in order to see in any detail about all your notifications, you have to make every app a double wide tile, which no one does.

    Music player is poor. I listen to music on my phone a lot, and the iOS one is great. WP version is simply not as good. I heard the Android one stinks, but you can download a bunch of third party ones that I'm sure are pretty good.

    Multitasking, still barely qualifies as multitasking. Can't delete apps from running.

    No Siri/Google Now like service.

    And of course, app catalog does not compare to android/ios

    Microsoft has had a while to implement some things, like a true notification center, true multitasking that makes sense, and a google now/siri like feature, why haven't they?
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    03-13-2013 02:23 AM
  20. anon(157335)'s Avatar
    My understanding is that MS said they ran out of time trying to get a notification center included in WP8. Based on that I'm assuming we'll see something down the road, maybe with the next big OS update. If not, there are a couple of developers working on their own notification centers; WPCentral will post news of their release when they are ready I'm sure.

    Siri? No thanks. I'm sure some people would have a use for a virtual assistant, but personally the voice control options do what I need them to do. I also have Maluuba installed, though I haven't tried it yet.

    As for multitasking, in iOS you double tap the home button to bring up a list of your recently used apps; in WP8 you press and hold the capacitive back arrow button to do the same. I have no issues switching between multiple apps or closing down apps that I don't need open anymore. What more do you want?
    03-13-2013 02:33 AM
  21. Ludwig1976's Avatar
    I really don't really understand how in the current age of smartphones WP8 is defensible.
    Me too.
    Some people told me "Ok, WP misses a lot of basic features, but hey! It now has a shared kernel with W8/RT and MS had to convert it! WP will grow in future, be patience!"

    And how this should make me happy when I miss a call due to lacking of separate volume or when I miss a text message due to lacking of repeated notifications? I don't care about the future, I miss calls NOW :-/
    03-13-2013 04:53 AM
  22. Gaichuke's Avatar
    I mean, different people have smartphones for different reasons. For you, it's obviously functionality, but for me, I want some artistic creativity as well. Why so abrasive to that idea? It's not for people like you, it's for people like me. Don't like backgrounds? Then leave the background blank. Easy. Done.
    It serves no purpose to give people option to make bad choices, not even if they want them. It might even hurt WP platform when people that haven't yet seen a Windows Phone get to see one where someone has put a bad picture of their cat as a background for the Live Tiles and it looks like crap. Not that they can tell that the picture is of a cat, since Live Tiles are blocking most of it anyway.
    Last edited by Gaichuke; 03-13-2013 at 05:10 AM.
    03-13-2013 05:00 AM
  23. abel920's Avatar
    Okay, I take everything back! No more whining about backgrounds! This app SOLVED everything for me!

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...arty-apps.html

    Sorry for the annoyance!
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    03-13-2013 08:32 AM
  24. Narse77's Avatar
    I think everyone needs to remember that WP8 is still very very new. iOS and Android have had years to get to where they are and still do not have some of the features that WP8 has. It may be because I have been working IT for close to 20 years and I understand how it takes time to mature. A new product as complex as a operating system will never have everything everyone wants at release that's just impossible given the complexity of modern computing hardware. If WP8 does not suit your needs you have many options. I for one love the fresh approach MS has brought the mobile and desktop world.
    03-14-2013 12:10 AM
  25. CamiKitti's Avatar
    Having to use data for Group Messaging. Although, I think that this may be more of a smartphone thing since the iPhone probably does the same thing. I only have 200 mb, so I can't waste much for group messaging.
    03-14-2013 01:07 AM
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