10-21-2013 01:33 PM
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  1. mooreted's Avatar
    I took some pictures at a concert last night and every single one of them is blurry and unusable. Here are some examples:

    http://sdrv.ms/19OowVT

    http://sdrv.ms/GZlqIi

    http://sdrv.ms/1aQrBap

    Can someone please explain how you take photos with this stupid phone?

    Thanks.
    10-17-2013 04:37 AM
  2. montsa007's Avatar
    Either you messed with settings or shook the phone before the shot was taken.
    10-17-2013 05:14 AM
  3. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    it's the Amber update, if you have it installed. Nokia messed things up. try using Camera app instead of procam
    10-17-2013 05:42 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I took some pictures at a concert last night and every single one of them is blurry and unusable. Here are some examples:

    http://sdrv.ms/19OowVT

    http://sdrv.ms/GZlqIi

    http://sdrv.ms/1aQrBap

    Can someone please explain how you take photos with this stupid phone?

    Thanks.
    I love how people blame technology over themselves.

    Night photos, regardless of how good the camera is, are difficult to take. Unfortunately I can't see your photos (you can just post them into the thread you know) now but going by what's written so far my guess is that you moved the camera before the shutter was closed creating the blur effect. Being patient is important when working at night or dark places. Having a steady hand or a tripod would be best. You can try different settings in the phone to get the effects you want.

    Just because the phone takes good shots at night or in the dark doesn't mean you can just point and shoot and get a great picture.
    10-17-2013 06:00 AM
  5. icstars989's Avatar
    Pretty much what n_La said. Even my Nikon D700 would have trouble with those shots without a tripod. 2 huge rules in Photography, you need light and if you don't have enough you need to be steady. For the 928 adjust your ISO to 800 and speed up your shutter. But like what has been said before, you need to be steady regardless of camera.
    10-17-2013 06:07 AM
  6. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Couple things, some as mentioned above:
    Hold er steady;
    Speed it up (motion on the last one)
    You could tweak exposure a hair up to help with the above;
    And I think manual focus would have helped the most, though I'm not sure how far out the 928 focuses.
    Oh yeah. It is only 8 mp, so no magical 1020 zoom for us :(
    10-17-2013 06:20 AM
  7. Jason Drum's Avatar
    it's the Amber update, if you have it installed. Nokia messed things up. try using Camera app instead of procam
    I had zero problems taking nice pictures with the Amber update.
    10-17-2013 07:06 AM
  8. alv3st3r's Avatar
    Avoid the camera shutter key and try to take pictures by tapping on the screen. It'll reduce the shake as opposed to caused by pressing the shutter key.
    10-17-2013 07:35 AM
  9. mooreted's Avatar
    I held it with both hands. Held down the button until it focused. Took the picture, and held the phone until the image showed up on the screen. Everything was set to auto.
    10-17-2013 10:25 AM
  10. mooreted's Avatar
    it's the Amber update, if you have it installed. Nokia messed things up. try using Camera app instead of procam
    I will try that next time.
    10-17-2013 10:25 AM
  11. mooreted's Avatar
    I love how people blame technology over themselves.

    Night photos, regardless of how good the camera is, are difficult to take. Unfortunately I can't see your photos (you can just post them into the thread you know) now but going by what's written so far my guess is that you moved the camera before the shutter was closed creating the blur effect. Being patient is important when working at night or dark places. Having a steady hand or a tripod would be best. You can try different settings in the phone to get the effects you want.

    Just because the phone takes good shots at night or in the dark doesn't mean you can just point and shoot and get a great picture.
    I was trying to be as careful and steady as I could. I'm not a photography expert, I just wanted to take some pictures.
    10-17-2013 10:27 AM
  12. mooreted's Avatar
    Pretty much what n_La said. Even my Nikon D700 would have trouble with those shots without a tripod. 2 huge rules in Photography, you need light and if you don't have enough you need to be steady. For the 928 adjust your ISO to 800 and speed up your shutter. But like what has been said before, you need to be steady regardless of camera.
    I will try 800 next time, maybe that will help.
    10-17-2013 10:28 AM
  13. mooreted's Avatar
    Avoid the camera shutter key and try to take pictures by tapping on the screen. It'll reduce the shake as opposed to caused by pressing the shutter key.
    I will try that, thanks.
    10-17-2013 10:32 AM
  14. montsa007's Avatar
    I will try that, thanks.
    Make sure that setting is turned on.
    10-17-2013 10:42 AM
  15. gapost's Avatar
    Quit blaming the Amber update.

    It looks to me like you were in the upper section and zoomed in quite a bit and tried to take it in a dark place. Did you try taking photos outside or in regular light?
    10-17-2013 10:55 AM
  16. mooreted's Avatar
    Quit blaming the Amber update.

    It looks to me like you were in the upper section and zoomed in quite a bit and tried to take it in a dark place. Did you try taking photos outside or in regular light?
    Outside in sunlight I can take pictures. I've never really used a camera before so I'm trying to read about photography, but I don't really know what I'm doing.
    10-17-2013 11:07 AM
  17. Jason Drum's Avatar
    I'd put money on a combination of using the shutter key instead of the screen and the dark atmosphere. Even when you are trying to be as careful as possible, movement will be captured. If nothing else, try to prop the phone on a stationary surface to hold it more steady.
    10-17-2013 11:11 AM
  18. montsa007's Avatar
    Use Blink Lens instead :)
    10-17-2013 11:20 AM
  19. hopmedic's Avatar
    Ok, I can't see the pictures because here at work they block SkyDrive. But based on what others have said, and your statement that you've not really used a camera before, let me offer some advice.

    First, the lower the light, the longer the exposure, all other things being kept the same. This means that the sensor is gathering light for a longer period of time, and during that time period, motion will result in blur. How noticeable that blur is depends on a few things, but mostly the focal length and the amount of motion. This means that the more zoomed in you are, the more noticeable the motion blur will be. What all this adds up to is that while holding still while taking any picture is important, in lower light it becomes far more so.

    While the camera on the 928 has OIS - Optical Image Stabilization - it can't account for all motion. The way OIS works in most modern cameras is that the lens (or in some cases the sensor) is stabilized by a gyro, and moves in response to movement of the camera body/lens. So if I'm holding my camera with OIS (shown below), and I move to the left slightly, the lenses will adjust to the right, to keep the image that is projected onto the sensor stable.

    photo-6-.jpg

    The motion that can be compensated for by the gyros is small, so even using a $2500 (retail) lens, I have to hold very still while shooting. Likewise, you need to keep very still with the 928, while shooting in low light, because it can't compensate for much movement, either. The OIS is not geared so much as to compensate for body movement as it is to compensate for the very minor movements of muscle twitching and even the pulse caused by the beat of your heart. Yes, a heartbeat can cause motion blur, and a good photographer will time the shutter-squeeze between heartbeats if he can in the situation.

    The OIS in the 928 is a bit different than what I have in my high-dollar lens. In the 928, instead of having gyros to compensate for movement by moving lenses, the entire camera assembly is mounted on very small springs. So my guess is that the 928 can compensate for even less motion than my big lens, but hey, you can't fit all that junk into a phone, now can you? Still, the principle is the same - if the phone camera moves to the left a bit, the mass of the camera/sensor assembly causes the springs to flex a bit to the right, thereby keeping the image projected to the sensor lined up.

    So here's a question to ask yourself the next time you're trying to take a low-light image: Just how much can those tiny springs flex to keep the image lined up on the sensor?

    Does this help? Oh - and if you would post your images to the forum instead or in addition to SkyDrive, more people will be able to see them.
    10-17-2013 11:26 AM
  20. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    it's the Amber update, if you have it installed. Nokia messed things up. try using Camera app instead of procam
    I would think they would improve the camera after an update, not make it worse.
    10-17-2013 11:28 AM
  21. mooreted's Avatar
    Ok, I can't see the pictures because here at work they block SkyDrive. But based on what others have said, and your statement that you've not really used a camera before, let me offer some advice.

    First, the lower the light, the longer the exposure, all other things being kept the same. This means that the sensor is gathering light for a longer period of time, and during that time period, motion will result in blur. How noticeable that blur is depends on a few things, but mostly the focal length and the amount of motion. This means that the more zoomed in you are, the more noticeable the motion blur will be. What all this adds up to is that while holding still while taking any picture is important, in lower light it becomes far more so.

    While the camera on the 928 has OIS - Optical Image Stabilization - it can't account for all motion. The way OIS works in most modern cameras is that the lens (or in some cases the sensor) is stabilized by a gyro, and moves in response to movement of the camera body/lens. So if I'm holding my camera with OIS (shown below), and I move to the left slightly, the lenses will adjust to the right, to keep the image that is projected onto the sensor stable.

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    The motion that can be compensated for by the gyros is small, so even using a $2500 (retail) lens, I have to hold very still while shooting. Likewise, you need to keep very still with the 928, while shooting in low light, because it can't compensate for much movement, either. The OIS is not geared so much as to compensate for body movement as it is to compensate for the very minor movements of muscle twitching and even the pulse caused by the beat of your heart. Yes, a heartbeat can cause motion blur, and a good photographer will time the shutter-squeeze between heartbeats if he can in the situation.

    The OIS in the 928 is a bit different than what I have in my high-dollar lens. In the 928, instead of having gyros to compensate for movement by moving lenses, the entire camera assembly is mounted on very small springs. So my guess is that the 928 can compensate for even less motion than my big lens, but hey, you can't fit all that junk into a phone, now can you? Still, the principle is the same - if the phone camera moves to the left a bit, the mass of the camera/sensor assembly causes the springs to flex a bit to the right, thereby keeping the image projected to the sensor lined up.

    So here's a question to ask yourself the next time you're trying to take a low-light image: Just how much can those tiny springs flex to keep the image lined up on the sensor?

    Does this help? Oh - and if you would post your images to the forum instead or in addition to SkyDrive, more people will be able to see them.
    Wow, nice camera.

    I have been called back to work, I will read through this and maybe run around my back yard tonight and see if I can improve things.

    I appreciate you guys trying to help a frustrated noob out.
    unstoppablekem likes this.
    10-17-2013 11:51 AM
  22. montsa007's Avatar
    Wow, nice camera.

    I have been called back to work, I will read through this and maybe run around my back yard tonight and see if I can improve things.

    I appreciate you guys trying to help a frustrated noob out.
    Everybody was a noob back in a day ;), the one who isn't held it for a few seconds longer.
    Am sure you'll snap better photos now ;)
    WanderingTraveler likes this.
    10-17-2013 11:53 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Wow, nice camera.

    I have been called back to work, I will read through this and maybe run around my back yard tonight and see if I can improve things.

    I appreciate you guys trying to help a frustrated noob out.
    I finally saw the pictures. I have the same issue as others when I was at work. I didn't realise they were at a concert.

    I've had the same effect as you. Issue is you're in the dark but the concert stage is a bright light. These are not the easiest pictures to take.

    You need a muck with the shutter speed and other settings to get it take the photos you want. My suggestion would be to try taking pictures in a similar environment, like a dark room with a bright light at the other end or something like that. Once you get a clear picture of the light you'll have the settings you need to take the picture in the future. Practice is the only way to get it how you want it.

    Maybe hopmedic has some suggestions for this type of environment. Other suggestion to try taking a video and then edit the video to get the pictures.

    Good luck!
    10-17-2013 12:38 PM
  24. hopmedic's Avatar
    I finally saw the pictures. I have the same issue as others when I was at work. I didn't realise they were at a concert.

    I've had the same effect as you. Issue is you're in the dark but the concert stage is a bright light. These are not the easiest pictures to take.

    You need a muck with the shutter speed and other settings to get it take the photos you want. My suggestion would be to try taking pictures in a similar environment, like a dark room with a bright light at the other end or something like that. Once you get a clear picture of the light you'll have the settings you need to take the picture in the future. Practice is the only way to get it how you want it.

    Maybe hopmedic has some suggestions for this type of environment. Other suggestion to try taking a video and then edit the video to get the pictures.

    Good luck!
    Having still not seen the images, just going by your description of them, I'd say that you need to "make" the camera expose for the part of the scene that you want to have in focus and properly exposed. If it's a bright stage and dark surroundings, you could either go into the manual mode and adjust exposure with either shutter speed or ISO to the part of the scene you want properly exposed. Good thing about pics on a phone is you'll see the result of these settings live, so you won't be guessing. Another way, if you wish to stay in Auto, would be to zoom in so that all you have in the scene is the part you want properly exposed. Doing this, the camera will expose for what is there - the bright stage. There's always the HDR Photo Cam (I think that's the name) app, but with a moving scene this won't work. Great for stills - like a sunrise, sunset, or other static scenes where there is a wide range of light levels in the scene. But with a dynamic scene like a concert, you'll have a hard time getting the multiple images to line up, and get some pretty weird effects if it works. On the other hand, sometimes those weird effects can create a really interesting image.....
    10-17-2013 02:46 PM
  25. mooreted's Avatar
    From what you guys are saying, I bet shutter speed makes a big difference since I don't have a tripod. It's pretty hard to stay perfectly still for 1 or 2 seconds no matter how hard I try.

    I tried to embed a photo on the forum but they are too big, I will have to re-size.
    10-17-2013 05:20 PM
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