11-05-2014 05:23 PM
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  1. aldofarias82's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong, I love WP and doing it since 7.0,
    I started with a 710, then a 720 and my last phone is the great 1020.

    I even made my wife, brother, fathers in law switch to Windows Phone.

    My one year old 1020 feels sort of outdated so when I start to wonder about its replacement I feel kind of disappointed of the whole picture of WP
    I don't think Microsoft is fully committed to make things better and that is frustrating. Nokia did a better job and now its being torn apart.

    I think I will go back to iOS, I had a "boring" iPhone and now it seems like a better and more mature choice to make.

    I invested lots of time waiting for lots of things in Windows phone and many were good and encouraging but I think I had it.
    Does anyone feel the same? Any thoughts?

    I don't want to be seen as a deserter but as most of you I love gadgets and WP has always been good but always far behind of the competition. I just want the best I can get
    10-27-2014 12:01 AM
  2. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    I don't think windows phone is begin its la k of developers, each to their own good luck!
    10-27-2014 12:13 AM
  3. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    If you want to switch, nobody can stop you.
    However, I will stay. I feel like something really great is going to happen with the release of Windows 10. The Universal apps are going to move forward and as long as Windows 10 is a success on desktop (which it looks like it will be), I have belief that it'll encourage developers to create Universal apps that will work on phone also. Hopefully, Windows on phone will gain traction.

    And about your comment about Microsoft and Nokia, the phones that came out recently are still from Nokia, that hasn't anything to do with Microsoft. We'll start seeing Microsoft's phones soon, hopefully.
    aldofarias82 and danz14 like this.
    10-27-2014 12:20 AM
  4. aldofarias82's Avatar
    I must say I'm not 100% of leaving, I am just thinking about it seriously for the first time. Yes developers hate us. That's one of my complains or the burdens we must carry
    Jazmac likes this.
    10-27-2014 12:21 AM
  5. Timbre70's Avatar
    Do what suits you and be happy.
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    10-27-2014 12:24 AM
  6. aldofarias82's Avatar
    I wish windows 10 to be a hit. I ra
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    10-27-2014 12:29 AM
  7. ramyZgHR's Avatar
    I have to admit I have some similar toughts. My first WP was 8x, then 925 and now 930. It seems to me MS is going too slow for catching up competition. I mean, whats the point of having beast like 930 if there is nothing to play on in?!? I don't think just games, but it would be nice to have something to choose from. Other thing... Instead they're trying to push updates as often they can, they should concentrate to bring some major improvements in those updates! I don't know... Bright side for me is that all 3 major OS-es are in some kind of stage where nothing major is happening. MS should use that situation to gain some profit from that situation instead of thinking new names for Bing, Nokia etc... :)
    I guess I'll give them a chance till W10 come to phones. After that I'll decide should I stay or should I go. :)
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    10-27-2014 12:30 AM
  8. aldofarias82's Avatar
    Absolutely, i think we gained some momentum with 8.1 but things got real slow again. Will there be a Nokia World this year or its also dead?

    I hope Windows 10 (its app side) appeals to the people but thats a long shot. My laptop has W 8.1 and i never use any apps, i use it like its my old reliable Win7 as most people do and thats a shame
    10-27-2014 12:46 AM
  9. P_1's Avatar
    Seriously guys I feel the same. After being such a wonderful OS windows phone lacks the ecosystem which is more important to make any OS successful. There are no regular updates for apps nor popular any new apps are coming to WP. Imagine WhatsApp has not received any update since June and there are many other apps whose fate is the same. However I will stick to windows till WP 10 comes out then I will decide for further action. Hopefully things will improve until then.
    10-27-2014 01:04 AM
  10. jleebiker's Avatar
    I have to be honest, I'm thinking the same. I want to see how W10 does and then will make a decision.
    10-27-2014 01:10 AM
  11. aldofarias82's Avatar
    I think i might do that as well...
    10-27-2014 02:00 AM
  12. Keith Brooks's Avatar
    Microsoft is screwing up big time. Now since purchasing Nokia's Mobile division, every device they've released is for the low-end consumer. Where are the new & improved mid to high-end smartphones ?They're even screwing up on the low end. The Lumia 530 is worse than the 520 and 521. It only has 4GB onboard storage and the screen is alot worse looking.From what I've seen in Windows 10 TP is the Start Menu. I've had a Start menu in Windows 8 & 8.1 courtesy of Start8. I so far see no reason to upgrade either of my pc's to Windows 10. It still has Windows 7's Windows Media Player 12. Woo, it runs everything on the desktop. ModernMix does that on my pc's now. Granted 10 is still a beta, but I'm not holding my breath on any real, so called improvement's.
    10-27-2014 03:30 AM
  13. murix's Avatar
    The only constant is change.

    I'd actually recommend trying a new iPhone. At a minimum you usually have a couple weeks to return a phone giving you a chance to decide and see how you feel. If you don't like it, you can always go back to the 1020. You could even try out android again too. We're talking small disposable devices with planned obsolescence produced by global corporations here.

    As for the phone itself, what is lacking for you? Performance? Screen size? Camera? Or is it busy having something shiny and new?

    Also, the reason for low cost devices is smart from a business perspective. Personally I wish wet had more high end devices, but the low end is a huge market which we all benefit from. Market share means developer support and most of the world doesn't enjoy the subsidies on high end devices like north America. The 520 is still the best selling windows phone.
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    10-27-2014 04:05 AM
  14. murix's Avatar
    Also, don't get lost in specs. The 1020 is still the best camera and very fast with windows phone. 1080p isn't that much better. And the camera is still the best on the market. I find only two drawbacks. Camera speed and screen size. My dissapointment is with Nokia exclusives on Verizon with the 930, not with Microsoft. Next year is going to be interesting.
    10-27-2014 04:11 AM
  15. Waylon Payne's Avatar
    Microsoft is screwing up big time. Now since purchasing Nokia's Mobile division, every device they've released is for the low-end consumer. Where are the new & improved mid to high-end smartphones ?They're even screwing up on the low end. The Lumia 530 is worse than the 520 and 521. It only has 4GB onboard storage and the screen is alot worse looking.From what I've seen in Windows 10 TP is the Start Menu. I've had a Start menu in Windows 8 & 8.1 courtesy of Start8. I so far see no reason to upgrade either of my pc's to Windows 10. It still has Windows 7's Windows Media Player 12. Woo, it runs everything on the desktop. ModernMix does that on my pc's now. Granted 10 is still a beta, but I'm not holding my breath on any real, so called improvement's.
    I think the proliferation of lower end phones is due to the increased sales in markets where low end devices do well. I'm quite happy with my 930, yeah they could release a new phone with a snapdragon 805 but it wouldn't really make any difference from a usability point of view.

    They just need a followup to the 1020 and I'm sure that it will come. I think things have likely stagnated with the whole Nokia takeover, I'm sure that there are a lot of operational logistics involved with the takeover that we are unaware of.

    I personally think that they should be pushing forward on windows phone development, in order to gain feature parity with the other mobile OS's (and after that surpass them).

    If you look at the iPhone 6, its not revolutionary compared to the 5s (apart from a larger screen), momentum now is gained through software advances.
    10-27-2014 04:52 AM
  16. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I think the proliferation of lower end phones is due to the increased sales in markets where low end devices do well. I'm quite happy with my 930, yeah they could release a new phone with a snapdragon 805 but it wouldn't really make any difference from a usability point of viewI
    The Snapdragon 805 has an image signal processor that now supports 55 megapixel cameras. Qualcomm says "it will have the world’s first mobile 1GPixel/s (Giga-pixel per second) ISP helping users take higher resolution photos with advanced post-processing for improved low-light performance. Phones can fiddle with their camera's output more without slowing down shooting."

    They've also increased the clock speed of the image signal processor in the 805, which "improves the post processing capabilities and increases actual camera imaging support. Consumers can expect to see improvements in the camera and that’s about a 45 per cent increase in the ISP performance. And that’s a dual ISP so you are able to use those ISP for multiple tasks.”

    We all know that the camera speed needs to be improved on our phones, and the Snapdragon 805 is going to be a tremendous help in that regard.
    10-27-2014 05:25 AM
  17. Ed Boland's Avatar
    What's wrong with having both? Or even all three platforms? I've been thinking about getting the new iPhone 6 plus myself, but also keeping my 1520! I was originally an iPhone user all the way up to the 4S, then switched to WP with the 920, the 1020, and now a 1520. Nobody ever made us sign a contract to stay committed to any one platform for our personal phones. So buy what you want!

    I love my 1520! But I'll also buy an iPhone 6 plus.. maybe even pick up a Note 4. And by the time Windows 10 comes out, maybe they'll have a new flagship phone from Microsoft that I'll just have to have! Or maybe not...

    We're all just consumers and can purchase anything we like. I wouldn't buy a sports car and complain that I can't take it off road in the mud, or be able to move furniture with it. No, I'd buy a 4-wheel drive pick-up truck for that. So what's wrong with having a sports car AND a 4-wheel drive pick-up truck in my driveway?
    10-27-2014 09:15 AM
  18. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    What's wrong with having both? Or even all three platforms? I've been thinking about getting the new iPhone 6 plus myself, but also keeping my 1520! I was originally an iPhone user all the way up to the 4S, then switched to WP with the 920, the 1020, and now a 1520. Nobody ever made us sign a contract to stay committed to any one platform for our personal phones. So buy what you want!

    I love my 1520! But I'll also buy an iPhone 6 plus.. maybe even pick up a Note 4. And by the time Windows 10 comes out, maybe they'll have a new flagship phone from Microsoft that I'll just have to have! Or maybe not...

    We're all just consumers and can purchase anything we like. I wouldn't buy a sports car and complain that I can't take it off road in the mud, or be able to move furniture with it. No, I'd buy a 4-wheel drive pick-up truck for that. So what's wrong with having a sports car AND a 4-wheel drive pick-up truck in my driveway?
    Wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment.
    We're all consumers and should buy what we like and what works for us. This is mobile nations. The notion that you should stick to one manufacturer or something, like a tribal allegiance is so - I don't know what word to use. Childish? Sycophantic?

    Anyway.

    I've got devices from ALL oems. I currently carry a 1520, galaxy s5 and an iphone 5s - and am on a queue for the blackberry passport. All with individual lines, for different businesses.

    If one can afford to indulge in this hobby then why not. All the competing ecosystems offer different things. Some will not meet all ones requirements. Buy what works for you. And make up your own mind. The things you buy do not define you. Well the shouldn't, anyway ;)
    10-27-2014 09:24 AM
  19. gapost's Avatar
    Man, I feel kind of the same way. Had a Windows phone since the HTC Trophy on Verizon and most of the WP's on Verizon, including the Icon and HTC One. Since I handle the business phones for my business, a lot of my business users have had WP's, lol. My wife has one. But... the way things are going, especially with Verizon (stuck with them for business), I'm taking a look at Android. I really don't like Apple, and really don't like Android either, but WP users are pretty much second-class users. I love the OS and all the potential it has, but MS and the carriers are contributing to it's failure. I don't know what the answer is because to get more attention, we need more users, and to get more users, we need more attention. I have a Droid Maxx coming this week and I will try that for a while.
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    10-27-2014 10:18 AM
  20. aldofarias82's Avatar
    The only constant is change.

    I'd actually recommend trying a new iPhone. At a minimum you usually have a couple weeks to return a phone giving you a chance to decide and see how you feel. If you don't like it, you can always go back to the 1020. You could even try out android again too. We're talking small disposable devices with planned obsolescence produced by global corporations here.

    As for the phone itself, what is lacking for you? Performance? Screen size? Camera? Or is it busy having something shiny and new?

    Also, the reason for low cost devices is smart from a business perspective. Personally I wish wet had more high end devices, but the low end is a huge market which we all benefit from. Market share means developer support and most of the world doesn't enjoy the subsidies on high end devices like north America. The 520 is still the best selling windows phone.
    I have 2 mayor complains about the 1020 and a couple of small ones:

    Big ones:
    1.- Batery life is the worst I've seen in any smartphone, I disabled lots of things like location services (goodbye Cortana), double tap to wake, apps running in the background, you name it everything. I don't even play any games now. I need my phone all day and that's a chore on the 1020.

    2.- THE CAMERA Yes, its still the king in many ways but its just too slow, I've lost so many great moments in between pictures waiting for the 1020 to be ready again.
    It makes my phone hot as hell.
    It can't focus anything closer than 1 feet, come on!
    I also own a DSLR so i understood something: Phones are phones and cameras are cameras. I need my phone camera to be fast and help me get great spontaneous great moments. For everything else i am covered.

    Small ones:
    1.- RESUMING is really annoying
    2.-Lack of cases, add-ons, etc (not 1020s exclusive problem i know, but i drool at all the options available for iPhone owners
    10-27-2014 11:04 AM
  21. Jeff Erson's Avatar
    I think I'm gonna wait and see for Windows 10 for phone too. That would be then my deciding point before I would jump to Android. I love WP and I want to stay. But if it stays the same, app/dev problems, lesser features than the competitors, slow updates, no new flagship, then I think it will be a sad goodbye. :(
    10-27-2014 11:24 AM
  22. GSOgymrat's Avatar
    I posted this on another website yesterday:

    I currently have a Nokia Lumia 1520 which I dropped it down a flight of stairs and cracked the screen. It still works, the cracks are actually quite subtle, but I want to replace it. When the 1520 was released there were no other phones that interested me but now there are competing large screen models from Apple and Android. I know a lot of this come down to preference and how I use my phone but I would like to read other people’s opinions. My three contenders are:

    Nokia Lumia 1520: I have been very happy with this phone. I have a Surface Pro 3, PC and Xbox so everything synchs and is consistent. I love Cortana, the camera, the dedicated camera button, expandable storage, the look of the phone, battery life and live tiles. I’m happy using Microsoft services: OneDrive, Office, Outlook, Xbox Music and Bing. On the downside, although I have most of the apps I want, some of the apps are not as good quality as iOS and Android and there are some apps that I would not mind having that are unavailable. Also with the 1520 I am locked into AT&T, although I can’t complain about their service. I'm happy with the 1520 but is the grass greener...

    Apple iPhone 6 Plus: The only Apple product I own is an iPad, which I stopped using when Surface was released. With iPhone I feel like I will always have the best quality apps and the most accessories. My friends have iPhones, everything is made for iPhone and if I have a problem I can just go down to the Apple store and a genius will fix it. I’m not excited by the look of the phone itself, although I do like the fingerprint sensor. I was interested in Apple Pay but now it looks like that service may not take off any time soon or will be limited. iOS is very utilitarian and doesn’t excite me but isn’t objectionable. The iPhone seems the most practical choice. It’s the Toyota Camry of phones.

    Google Nexus 6: Before going with Windows Phone I had a HTC EVO 4G and I know that Android has come a long way since then. From the online photos I really like the look of this phone. I like the screen size and wireless charging. I don’t like the 64GB memory limit, as I’m already using 69 GB on my 1520. I would have more apps than Windows Phone, but I’ve read that some of the Android apps are not always as polished as iOS. I’ve never been a big fan of some of the UIs on Android phones (I don’t like Samsung’s flipboard, I don’t like clutter or a bunch of animations) but I feel like Nexus 6 would be customizable enough that I could be happy with it. I think the only Google service I currently use is YouTube and I don’t really want to switch to Google services but I assume I can still use Outlook, Word, Xbox Music, Bing and such on Android. With Nexus 6 I like the phone and I like having more apps but after HTC EVO I worry, perhaps mistakenly, that there will be apps that don’t work right or little annoying issues.
    10-27-2014 01:25 PM
  23. aldofarias82's Avatar
    Also the new Moto X looks very promising,
    As an apple "soft user" (ex iPhone user and I currently own an iPad and Apple TV) I feel more attracted to the iPhone 6

    I am not an iSheep, but Apple provides a very solid and consistent user experience.
    10-27-2014 10:26 PM
  24. David Parsels's Avatar
    I am also thinking of changing to the I phone only because the app situation has not gotten much better. I have a lumia 920. it has been a great phone and is one of the most durable phones I have ever owned. But since I have owned it there have been at least a half dozen times that I wanted to download an app that was not available. As an example I was shopping for a new camera. The camera I wanted to buy had apps available that turned your smart phone into a remote control for the camera. The manufacturers app was only for iphone or android but not for windows phone apps.

    This also happened with a remote temperature controller, a sports video analysis program and several others. It seems that I phone has caught up to lumia regarding its' camera and has surpassed the lumia in its video app capability. In my opinion Windows phone has fallen behind. What is worse, when i contacted nokia and windows phone my concerns basically fell on deaf ears.

    Unless major changes take place with the Windows Phone apps and the video capabilities I think I will have to go with the i phone when i decide to upgrade.

    Step it up Microsoft/Lumia I would like to stay with the windows phone in the future.
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    10-27-2014 10:54 PM
  25. batboris's Avatar
    It is just a phone. You are using it for voice calls, texting, browsing, taking pictures, etc... I don't get this with investing time. It's just a device! On the other side, there is the eco system. And I'm not talking about apps here. I'm talking about the combination of the desktop, tablet, phone and game console. Having all those in one eco system pays off. If you don't have it, switching the handset is a matter of your mood when you wake up in the morning. :) I've got the entire eco system and I'm happy with it. The only think that excites me even more is the win 10. I want to see it on a phone.
    Again, do what makes you happy. I don't know happened with the world. We are talking about phones and tablets like owning/using them is the purpose of our life. But it's not! :)
    10-28-2014 01:59 AM
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