Microsoft should split into two companies - one is Cloud & Enterprises and the other is Windows and Devices. Nadella can head the C&E company. But they need a new leadership who can focus developing the Windows and Devices which include the mobile devices. Killing off the WP will have devastating long-term implications to the entire Windows ecosystem which would damage the enterprise business as well. G.E. and Walgreen are leaving Windows for iOS is the early sign for the great exodus. Nadella is a Cloud guy and has no heart in the consumer business. He has to go as soon as possible before it is too late.
Am i only person that thinks Nadella should go?
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Microsoft should split into two companies - one is Cloud & Enterprises and the other is Windows and Devices. Nadella can head the C&E company. But they need a new leadership who can focus developing the Windows and Devices which include the mobile devices. Killing off the WP will have devastating long-term implications to the entire Windows ecosystem which would damage the enterprise business as well. G.E. and Walgreen are leaving Windows for iOS is the early sign for the great exodus. Nadella is a Cloud guy and has no heart in the consumer business. He has to go as soon as possible before it is too late.
John20212
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"After what happened with Windows Mobile, should Microsoft ditch CEO Nadella?"
They most definitely should drop that anti-consumer *****, and fast; before he destroys the whole consumer division at MS.
They most definitely should drop that anti-consumer *****, and fast; before he destroys the whole consumer division at MS.
theefman
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Nothing will change. Ask the question, is Microsoft happy with where they are as a company? All indicators say yes so why would the CEO be removed because of a few fanboys hyperventilating on a ****** website? Not to mention the money keeps on rolling in so no, Microsoft will continue to be irrelevant to consumers and they are happy with that. Time to stop being emotionally invested in a faceless corporation and let them do what they will.
Sent from mTalk
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Microsoft keeps saying we want the Enterprise space. Well that portion is gone. No one is making a windows phone anymore. You had the opportunity to do something great with W10M and you were to arrogant to follow thru. Google as a platform sucks and you can't even compete with them. How sad. And now that is the only real choice we have. Look at what phone Bill Gates is using. Well as the saying goes. There's your sign.
Julius Angelo Garcia
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I still chose to buy a Lumia 950xlbecause of the camera prowess.
Okay, Nadella might be giving a loose on the loop for Windows 10 mobile but I think, he could stay. He could be an adviser or still be part of the Microsoft, but a new leader that has a brighter and more feasible idea of how Windows on mobile should go, should be selected.
The head of Microsoft should be more than just a bright mind. He must also be able to listen to the customers, listen to the employees, and be able to translate it to a future-proof product and services. I agree that Microsoft apps can be called "universal" just because it can be on any platform. But hey man, I also think that having a windows on a small form factor is also a bridge to more consumer and a better ecosystem.
If Microsoft can only sell a smaller Surface Pro that can fit on two hands or even smaller, that will be fine. One architecture with variety of form factors.
Those days are still far beyond.
bobsentell
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The biggest country in the world is the mobile connected world, more than ever and it will stay so for quite some time to come. It's amazing Nadella said he doesn't understand why the world needed a third ecosystem given that the company has been focusing on OneCore which is a modern ui framework to work across all devices for Windows yet he's same guy that gave the Mobile First, Cloud First Press Briefing : https://news.microsoft.com/2014/03/27/satya-nadella-mobile-first-cloud-first-press-briefing/
He has completely missed the boat here and it is frustrating. They could have still made the migration to Andromeda with a smooth transition from W10M. Poor guy has vision for what needs to be but no accountability for how to get there while increasing the W10M market share.
TechFreak1
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There are multiple facets to this argument and if you are stock holder looking for short term gains then Satya Nadella has been the right man for the job.
But in terms of long term vision, sadly everything I have seen does not look well at all.
Why?
It's the transitional phase that has been an absolute and diabolical mess.
The enterprise growth will plataue and that is evident with android being the most interacted o/s now, this is just the first step.
By reinforcing users into their competitors ecosystem, Microsoft has pretty much conceded everything a silver platter.
Why?
The transitional phase of computing is absolutely dependent on Smartphones and where did the major cuts focus on? - The mobile division.
Historically there has always been a transitional form of media for work, consumption and communication
Consumption
Newspapers <-> radio <-> tv <-> portable media players <-> smartphones -> UWP
Work
Typewriters <-> Typewriters for binary input + mainframe esque analogue computers <-> mainframe esque analogue / digital computers with printers <-> digital mainframe esque computers <-> desktop computer with command line <-> desktop computer with UX <-> portable digital assitant (PDAs) <-> Smartphones -> UWP
Communication
Telegram <-> rotary phones + operators <-> rotary phones <-> touch tone phones <-> brief case esque phones <-> still brief case esque but more portable phones <-> portable touch tone phones <-> monophonic phones with monochrome screens <-> colour screen phones & polyphonic tones <-> colour screen + mp3 + wap <-> colour screen phones with extensibility (propriatery stores for apps and games) <-> merge with pdas = phones with productivity capabilities (still no cohesive store) <-> smartphones -> UWP
{Quantum computin could go so many ways for instance China has launched a quantum based sattelite last year}.
This is the overly simplified flow of transitional technologies and this is why as long Microsoft foregoes the consumer space they will lose everything. Fortunately for them they have xbox and that under Phil Spencer + co has done phenomenally well after the initial xbox one launch.
Needless to say Xbox under Don Matrick also did extremely well but his tenure was sadly marred by the xbox one launch fiasco (I personallly thought he was far too combative at times about the launch but his tenure is the topic of debate).
If any company was doing the same thing as Microsoft was doing, they would have folded - I know it's a cliche but look at IBM, who at one point was a dominant player in alot of spaces.
As you can see the universal windows platfrom was the logical merge of technologies as from there it can branch exponentially.
But UWP has since been disparaged in favour of the competitor platforms therefore the Windows Store now the Microsoft store lays pretty much barren a years later.
Microsoft needed smartphones to push growth of Windows 10 along with UWP and where did that axe fall?
The mobile division.
As you can see at this point's a circular argument and a rather exhausting one as without UWP any windows based platform will struggle.
Microsoft will not be able to restart over and if they did they will completely look like morons for wasting 42 years of progress to obtain the "3 screens and a cloud vision". Which is more like really one screen and the cloud, which is why to keep that vision alive they are embedding users in their competition and trying to leverage that userbase (continue on PC integration)
If Microsoft continues to disparage the UWP platform - focusing on web apps is not the answer. Rebuilding the bridges and trust that Microsoft has burned pretty much everywhere is the answer.
The only reason OEM's are working on Products is because their entire existence was at one point dependent on PC (windows) sales and still makes up a large chunk of the market - the fact there are countless number of Win32 applications out there (that in my opinion has been the saving grace for Windows). Which is why you see almost all OEM's have diverse portfolios spanning multiple sectors.
If OEMs could cut off windows and make chromebooks, they happily will - numbers talk and in this case it's the userbase - Windows holds the largest userbase around the world. Android is the most interacted o/s due to it's insane number of permutations shipped in very cheap devices.
All Google and Apple have to do is polish up their productivity offerings, combine their operating systems into a unified core, create a robust enterprise infrastructure and Microsoft won't have a leg to stand on. Because they have been throwing users in the direction of Apple and Google.
But that's presuming Microsoft is just going to stand there doing nothing but it's apparent that focusing on infrastructure is their "plan b" or rather their 'plan a'.
Which is why despite having all the pieces of the puzzle, Microsoft absolutely refuses take risks under Satya Nadella. Under Bill Gates and Ballmer, sure they were aggressive and at points monopolistic but no one can argue they weren't daring or wanting to take risks in disrupting the technology bubble:
Just to name a notable few.
Under Satya Nadella there has been positive changes and biggest one I would say or two is the elimination of stack racking and collaboration between departments whereas previously each department ran compartmentalised - almost as small company.
This shows, if you look at the initial xbox one and the practicallity of the engineering - solve the RROD issue?
Let's chuck a vacuum sized fan ontop of the CPU.
the Xbox one X looks incredibly sleek and completely disguises the insane computational power it has compared to the PS4 Pro.
But from me that's where the positives end in regards to Satya Nadella's tenure, I was in the camp of waiting and see what it does. But it's apparent he is absolutely risk averse.
Everything that has come to fruition and profitable suchas the Surface, Office 365, Hololens, Xbox, Azure were all conceived and made profitable (except Hololens as it's not commercially avaialble) under the tenure of Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. Furthermore the elimination of stack racking and departmental co-existence Started with Steve Ballmer as well so yeah.
All Satya Nadella in my opinion has done is increase the stock price by reducing the wage bill and made safe bets. Even there they have disparaged their own UWP platform - there is still no LinkedIn UWP - the Store app as of 16th Nov 2017 - is a Web wrapper... a WEB WRAPPER! eash.
Mixer I can sort of see the logic there but it's widely known a UWP app (as of 16th Nov 2017) is not even on the ROADMAP!
Yet they expect developers to pick up on UWP development?
(Not to the insane number of limitations and API issues with UWP but that that will resolve over time - organic growth as you either focus on security {slow} or you have an open season {fast} i.e android)
When Microsoft themselves with big brand acquisitions has not even bothered to push out a UWP app - what sort of message does that give out?
There has been no risk taking involved, admittedly when I saw his first open letter to the employees that Microsoft would focus on it's strengths.
I kept an open mind as the story goes he was opposed to the Nokia d & s acquisition then latter came round to the idea thus he was hired because he would be focusing on mobile along with everything else and Ballmer didn't want repeat what happened in the past
But it's obvious that Satya Nadella never did.
I imagine the board held a closed door meeting, excluded Steve Ballmer and outlined how they will undo it all. One may class me as cynical in considering that taking place, what else is there.
Think about it - The entire consumer focused pathway set by Steve Ballmer is nulified then Microsoft later announces it's foregoing the consumer market completely?
If Windows on ARM does not take off due to the lack of UWP apps because what Microsoft did in regards to Smartphones again, then yes Satya Nadella must go along with the those who made the decision to focus solely on ios and android only. Because a CEO must see beyond just numbers and all i'm seeing so far, is a CEO that is focused on short term numbers. (I understand the pressure from activist investers but at the end of the day, it's the CEO and SLT's decisions that create new markets and growth points therefore the investers don't run the company persay).
I personally wish Windows on Arm does take off and Satya Nadella doesn't have to step down because there are so many other factors in play suchas the current political climate.
But that is another topic for another day.
But in terms of long term vision, sadly everything I have seen does not look well at all.
Why?
It's the transitional phase that has been an absolute and diabolical mess.
The enterprise growth will plataue and that is evident with android being the most interacted o/s now, this is just the first step.
By reinforcing users into their competitors ecosystem, Microsoft has pretty much conceded everything a silver platter.
Why?
The transitional phase of computing is absolutely dependent on Smartphones and where did the major cuts focus on? - The mobile division.
Historically there has always been a transitional form of media for work, consumption and communication
Consumption
Newspapers <-> radio <-> tv <-> portable media players <-> smartphones -> UWP
Work
Typewriters <-> Typewriters for binary input + mainframe esque analogue computers <-> mainframe esque analogue / digital computers with printers <-> digital mainframe esque computers <-> desktop computer with command line <-> desktop computer with UX <-> portable digital assitant (PDAs) <-> Smartphones -> UWP
Communication
Telegram <-> rotary phones + operators <-> rotary phones <-> touch tone phones <-> brief case esque phones <-> still brief case esque but more portable phones <-> portable touch tone phones <-> monophonic phones with monochrome screens <-> colour screen phones & polyphonic tones <-> colour screen + mp3 + wap <-> colour screen phones with extensibility (propriatery stores for apps and games) <-> merge with pdas = phones with productivity capabilities (still no cohesive store) <-> smartphones -> UWP
{Quantum computin could go so many ways for instance China has launched a quantum based sattelite last year}.
This is the overly simplified flow of transitional technologies and this is why as long Microsoft foregoes the consumer space they will lose everything. Fortunately for them they have xbox and that under Phil Spencer + co has done phenomenally well after the initial xbox one launch.
Needless to say Xbox under Don Matrick also did extremely well but his tenure was sadly marred by the xbox one launch fiasco (I personallly thought he was far too combative at times about the launch but his tenure is the topic of debate).
If any company was doing the same thing as Microsoft was doing, they would have folded - I know it's a cliche but look at IBM, who at one point was a dominant player in alot of spaces.
As you can see the universal windows platfrom was the logical merge of technologies as from there it can branch exponentially.
But UWP has since been disparaged in favour of the competitor platforms therefore the Windows Store now the Microsoft store lays pretty much barren a years later.
Microsoft needed smartphones to push growth of Windows 10 along with UWP and where did that axe fall?
The mobile division.
As you can see at this point's a circular argument and a rather exhausting one as without UWP any windows based platform will struggle.
Microsoft will not be able to restart over and if they did they will completely look like morons for wasting 42 years of progress to obtain the "3 screens and a cloud vision". Which is more like really one screen and the cloud, which is why to keep that vision alive they are embedding users in their competition and trying to leverage that userbase (continue on PC integration)
If Microsoft continues to disparage the UWP platform - focusing on web apps is not the answer. Rebuilding the bridges and trust that Microsoft has burned pretty much everywhere is the answer.
The only reason OEM's are working on Products is because their entire existence was at one point dependent on PC (windows) sales and still makes up a large chunk of the market - the fact there are countless number of Win32 applications out there (that in my opinion has been the saving grace for Windows). Which is why you see almost all OEM's have diverse portfolios spanning multiple sectors.
If OEMs could cut off windows and make chromebooks, they happily will - numbers talk and in this case it's the userbase - Windows holds the largest userbase around the world. Android is the most interacted o/s due to it's insane number of permutations shipped in very cheap devices.
All Google and Apple have to do is polish up their productivity offerings, combine their operating systems into a unified core, create a robust enterprise infrastructure and Microsoft won't have a leg to stand on. Because they have been throwing users in the direction of Apple and Google.
But that's presuming Microsoft is just going to stand there doing nothing but it's apparent that focusing on infrastructure is their "plan b" or rather their 'plan a'.
Which is why despite having all the pieces of the puzzle, Microsoft absolutely refuses take risks under Satya Nadella. Under Bill Gates and Ballmer, sure they were aggressive and at points monopolistic but no one can argue they weren't daring or wanting to take risks in disrupting the technology bubble:
- Xp tablets
- the initial surface table
- the spot smartwatch
Just to name a notable few.
Under Satya Nadella there has been positive changes and biggest one I would say or two is the elimination of stack racking and collaboration between departments whereas previously each department ran compartmentalised - almost as small company.
This shows, if you look at the initial xbox one and the practicallity of the engineering - solve the RROD issue?
Let's chuck a vacuum sized fan ontop of the CPU.
the Xbox one X looks incredibly sleek and completely disguises the insane computational power it has compared to the PS4 Pro.
But from me that's where the positives end in regards to Satya Nadella's tenure, I was in the camp of waiting and see what it does. But it's apparent he is absolutely risk averse.
Everything that has come to fruition and profitable suchas the Surface, Office 365, Hololens, Xbox, Azure were all conceived and made profitable (except Hololens as it's not commercially avaialble) under the tenure of Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. Furthermore the elimination of stack racking and departmental co-existence Started with Steve Ballmer as well so yeah.
All Satya Nadella in my opinion has done is increase the stock price by reducing the wage bill and made safe bets. Even there they have disparaged their own UWP platform - there is still no LinkedIn UWP - the Store app as of 16th Nov 2017 - is a Web wrapper... a WEB WRAPPER! eash.
Mixer I can sort of see the logic there but it's widely known a UWP app (as of 16th Nov 2017) is not even on the ROADMAP!
Yet they expect developers to pick up on UWP development?
(Not to the insane number of limitations and API issues with UWP but that that will resolve over time - organic growth as you either focus on security {slow} or you have an open season {fast} i.e android)
When Microsoft themselves with big brand acquisitions has not even bothered to push out a UWP app - what sort of message does that give out?
There has been no risk taking involved, admittedly when I saw his first open letter to the employees that Microsoft would focus on it's strengths.
I kept an open mind as the story goes he was opposed to the Nokia d & s acquisition then latter came round to the idea thus he was hired because he would be focusing on mobile along with everything else and Ballmer didn't want repeat what happened in the past
But it's obvious that Satya Nadella never did.
I imagine the board held a closed door meeting, excluded Steve Ballmer and outlined how they will undo it all. One may class me as cynical in considering that taking place, what else is there.
Think about it - The entire consumer focused pathway set by Steve Ballmer is nulified then Microsoft later announces it's foregoing the consumer market completely?
If Windows on ARM does not take off due to the lack of UWP apps because what Microsoft did in regards to Smartphones again, then yes Satya Nadella must go along with the those who made the decision to focus solely on ios and android only. Because a CEO must see beyond just numbers and all i'm seeing so far, is a CEO that is focused on short term numbers. (I understand the pressure from activist investers but at the end of the day, it's the CEO and SLT's decisions that create new markets and growth points therefore the investers don't run the company persay).
I personally wish Windows on Arm does take off and Satya Nadella doesn't have to step down because there are so many other factors in play suchas the current political climate.
But that is another topic for another day.
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Pairadyce
New member
Drop? No... but I think they need to re-evaluate their offerings of enterprise and consumer. The enterprise kind of sells itself because they are entrenched but their inaction on the consumer front is poor. I feel like they want to be strictly software then they have an idea their OEMS haven't delivered so they create a product just to get the idea out in the software. But the downside is, they don't champion many ideas long-term and give up.
I've always said, I don't expect Microsoft to sell millions of phones. That would be like expecting every car manufacturer to do the same even though there are many brands that do fine in their own way. I get the feeling that because they are Microsoft, they feel that if they must compete, it must appear to be competitive with market leaders. You don't need to outsell Samsung, Apple, HTC, Fitbit, Garmin, Spotify, etc to be profitable. They have poor scaling strategy because they are used to being the top dog. I think the CEO needs better advisors and a better Marketing and Product Roadmap team. As a CEO, he is doing what is best and executing. I would blame the other hundreds of hands that are associated with the many failings because I have seen the same thing occur at a couple of companies I've worked for. The CEO is like the presidency in the US, he's a face of strategy, has many says in the decisions but there are many other people actually impacting the work being done. If those people are ineffective in communicating the importance of their projects, then it will not be a priority to the CEO- that's just how business works.
I've always said, I don't expect Microsoft to sell millions of phones. That would be like expecting every car manufacturer to do the same even though there are many brands that do fine in their own way. I get the feeling that because they are Microsoft, they feel that if they must compete, it must appear to be competitive with market leaders. You don't need to outsell Samsung, Apple, HTC, Fitbit, Garmin, Spotify, etc to be profitable. They have poor scaling strategy because they are used to being the top dog. I think the CEO needs better advisors and a better Marketing and Product Roadmap team. As a CEO, he is doing what is best and executing. I would blame the other hundreds of hands that are associated with the many failings because I have seen the same thing occur at a couple of companies I've worked for. The CEO is like the presidency in the US, he's a face of strategy, has many says in the decisions but there are many other people actually impacting the work being done. If those people are ineffective in communicating the importance of their projects, then it will not be a priority to the CEO- that's just how business works.
zr2s10
New member
Microsoft stock up, good. But how much would it had cost the company to outsource production of a couple of new phones, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, TO KEEP ITS LOYAL CUSTOMERS/SUPPORTERS HAPPY and to remain in M/S ecosystem. We're the ones who buy Office 365, etc and promote it and other M/S products to friends.
I'm so ticked with the company now, that I'm not really sure what I'm going to do regarding my tech needs. I wish there was a good alternative: maybe it is, but I haven't found it. They have lost a lot of goodwill and a dwindling mobile presence will affect their bottom line. Eventually, a decent alternative will arrive and Microsoft stock will suffer. A good alternative phone OS with a trusted ecosystem will sink it.
Nadella is wrong in his thinking that there's not a market for a third mobile OS. His shortsighted vision disqualifies his ability to lead the company. Probably a brilliant guy, but he's wrong on phone. Just because he doesn't think there shouldn't be a Windows Phone, look at all the folks on here who do. The smart phone is not going away. The cool devices purportedly being developed sound good, but they should have kept W10M alive until they had a blockbuster and then continue support for older models. But instead, we've seen the CEO of a major corporation LIE to its most devoted followers. How do you overcome that? And, where are the new devices?
Yes, he should step down as CEO. He has played into the hands of companies that will overshadow Microsoft. I haven't noticed Samsung or Google or Apple do much to promote Microsoft, except offer a link. I trusted Microsoft and will never trust a droid or iOS phone. And at this point, it's getting very hard to trust Microsoft. What a bunch of foolish decisions it has made. Maybe he thinks enterprise will make it all the money it needs: I don't think so. Those who do not like W10M don't have to buy it. But for those of us who aren't interested in a ton of apps that may not even be safe, W10M works pretty doggone good on a phone.
I'm so ticked with the company now, that I'm not really sure what I'm going to do regarding my tech needs. I wish there was a good alternative: maybe it is, but I haven't found it. They have lost a lot of goodwill and a dwindling mobile presence will affect their bottom line. Eventually, a decent alternative will arrive and Microsoft stock will suffer. A good alternative phone OS with a trusted ecosystem will sink it.
Nadella is wrong in his thinking that there's not a market for a third mobile OS. His shortsighted vision disqualifies his ability to lead the company. Probably a brilliant guy, but he's wrong on phone. Just because he doesn't think there shouldn't be a Windows Phone, look at all the folks on here who do. The smart phone is not going away. The cool devices purportedly being developed sound good, but they should have kept W10M alive until they had a blockbuster and then continue support for older models. But instead, we've seen the CEO of a major corporation LIE to its most devoted followers. How do you overcome that? And, where are the new devices?
Yes, he should step down as CEO. He has played into the hands of companies that will overshadow Microsoft. I haven't noticed Samsung or Google or Apple do much to promote Microsoft, except offer a link. I trusted Microsoft and will never trust a droid or iOS phone. And at this point, it's getting very hard to trust Microsoft. What a bunch of foolish decisions it has made. Maybe he thinks enterprise will make it all the money it needs: I don't think so. Those who do not like W10M don't have to buy it. But for those of us who aren't interested in a ton of apps that may not even be safe, W10M works pretty doggone good on a phone.
Windows on mobile has been a failure since before Nadella came along. This is well documented and, quite frankly, is a tired topic by now.
There's only so much investment you can make in an ecosystem that hasn't seen success. You can throw dollars at marketing, at developers and at retailers. But if your product isn't fully realized, at what point do you rethink? There's no allure to anyone but us, the fans. It's functional, yes. Exciting? Not in this state.
They'll make an ultra mobile device when it's ready to be worthy of the Surface brand - - category defining and aspirational. But it has to be all-in this time. Microsoft knows that their Surface line has potential to excite customers the way Apple used to.
The public forgets quickly. So once W10Mobile is forgotten, they'll likely launch a device that challenges the smartphone market with Andromeda.
And that's only if it's ready. If not, they'll develop for other platforms and use their software ecosystem to reach users as best as they can with compelling experiences that will drive interest for hardware like hololens or a foldable tablet.
Remember, Microsoft is the king of hybrid. Therein lies their likely move: a tablet that can replace your smartphone. We're going to see radical changes in the industry soon anyway.
Azure will power any headless devices that may appear in the next 5-10 years. So anyone who complains about his investment there is incredibly short-sighted. It's a well of untapped money just waiting to be used to fund the things that get you really excited.
It is ridiculous: calling for Nadella to be fired. I'm not a fan of every decision, but making a culture shift, driving significant revenues and bringing many different collaborative partnerships with tech giants and vendors is no small feat.
Partnerships are good, especially when they agree to develop for Centennial.. Like Apple, Adobe and Spotify.
His predecessors were late to the game and no amount of enthusiasm can fix a lame attempt to follow the market. Microsoft has seen success in their Surface and Xbox devices, even games like Minecraft that will increase consumer mind-share.
It's too soon to tell what will happen, especially when pivoting a gigantic corporation largely bound by the legacy code and old ways of thinking. Everyone here seems to want to fixate on one tiny aspect of a business without any consideration of how many plans and people are involved in changing a company's culture alone.
If there's not a mobile development two years from now, then we can talk about him failing us.
Typed on my phone, so sorry for any errors and generally ****ty proofreading. RIP thumbs.
I agree mobile is the only platform to be all in, we are in the mists of a total change in how we interact with the world and each other. IoT of things are the future and mobile is the only way to connect. Microsoft had so many chances of getting in the game. I feel if they create a full mobile computing device such as ARM on Windows so many will jump on.
I just did the same a week ago, I really miss the live tiles and Hey Cortana, especially in my car. Reading text, opening apps with Cortana don't work. Somethings are better some are not. If I could get W10M with all the Android apps it would be a no brainer W10M decision hands down.
Vivio vrvly
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It came without pen, win32 support - therefore sentenced to failure.
There is however bigger failure: Groove, they should bring it back, as soon as they can.
And I don't care about device name or type, surface phone or HoloLens... just bring next gen. so we have new device.
Iot, watches, action cameras, only with AI interaction - centered devices, or other smart devices, useful, small-mobile... thats the last inch to people.
There is however bigger failure: Groove, they should bring it back, as soon as they can.
And I don't care about device name or type, surface phone or HoloLens... just bring next gen. so we have new device.
Iot, watches, action cameras, only with AI interaction - centered devices, or other smart devices, useful, small-mobile... thats the last inch to people.
Looking at the things he's done, it's actually hard to believe he's not being paid by Google and Apple to hand over the consumer space. I mean, think about what you would ask someone to do if you hired them to bring down a competitor. He's doing this stuff for them for free. (or is he )
I will say this. I am shocked that Apple and Google haven't jumped on this. Google has started. They already own mobile and are starting to make some serious moves on the computing side with Chromebooks and apps. Apple as usual is clueless. All that has to happen is Chromebooks get just a few more capabilities and Apple release a line of cheaper laptop/ultrabooks in the 500-800 dollar range and Ms is done on the consumer side. PC gamers will be all that's left and trust me, they are all dying for an alternative to windows. I know as I'm part of a couple big gaming communities and every single person wants to get away from Windows.
)I will say this. I am shocked that Apple and Google haven't jumped on this. Google has started. They already own mobile and are starting to make some serious moves on the computing side with Chromebooks and apps. Apple as usual is clueless. All that has to happen is Chromebooks get just a few more capabilities and Apple release a line of cheaper laptop/ultrabooks in the 500-800 dollar range and Ms is done on the consumer side. PC gamers will be all that's left and trust me, they are all dying for an alternative to windows. I know as I'm part of a couple big gaming communities and every single person wants to get away from Windows.
agreed with everything you've said but why is it in migrating towards this Andromeda Windows OS, you have to drop W10M completely? dropping in markets that you had many loyal and even newly loved users, after release of 950/XL Microsoft should've used all efforts into making W10M polished and creating fully unique experiences not putting all exclusives on other platforms. I've converted about 100 people to W10M and most are frustrated but are so in love with the UI in comparison to Google and iOS.
Remember when Nadella said they were going to release 6 phones a year? Well, we got 3 phones and then it was over. I converted about off people as well. These are people, family and friends, that have relief on me for tech support and tech guidance for years and now they are stuck, stranded, and pissed. At the same time, it makes me look bad.
The constant lies from Nadella, the abandonment of services, the treatment of their fans who waited for years to keep supporting their platform and the current vision which is something I don't believe in are just some of the reasons I have already moved on to an Android and am looking to lessen my Windows usage in other ways as well. (I love my Note 8, I hate Android and crippled Cortana on Android) . Though these are just some of the reasons I and those I converted are leaving, all of these reasons are due to Nadella.
The constant lies from Nadella, the abandonment of services, the treatment of their fans who waited for years to keep supporting their platform and the current vision which is something I don't believe in are just some of the reasons I have already moved on to an Android and am looking to lessen my Windows usage in other ways as well. (I love my Note 8, I hate Android and crippled Cortana on Android) . Though these are just some of the reasons I and those I converted are leaving, all of these reasons are due to Nadella.
although the stock market is good for MS, but Apple and Google has better results than MS. many companies started to have options for their employees to choose Mac.
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