Did Microsoft give windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

[opium_tm]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

Yes, and not only because of lack of interest.
UWP platform evolved into something very interesting and worthy to invest in around a time when Windows 10 Mobile suffocated. It's rather weird to dismiss a mobile OS when Microsoft universal apps platform became a reasonable thing.
Very, very incoordinated step.

 

[tecknotot]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

The reason I think mobile failed is: wait for it: Satya Nadella! I don't think he's good for Microsoft.

Actually I blame Steve Balmer because when smartphones were peeking their head he did not think apps would be a viable profit.

Microsoft was the first to bring a mobile phone back in the day and I was very excited.

 

[deadonthefloor]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

It's not Satya's fault. Satya is the first CEO who wasn't a part of the original vision. He's the first CEO at Microsoft to take a traditional CEO salary/bonus structure.

If you seriously believe it's him managing the company and not the board of directors, do I have some stuff to sell you. The share price has done extremely well since he retrenched on Windows Mobile. I do not think the shareholders are the same risk takers that made MS a leading tech provider. This is why they will fall.

 

[MPetrozio]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

I think MS is realizing that they need a mobile platform. Yes, they may achieve this with Windows 10 proper, but they really should have continued marketing and updating W10 Mobile until they had a replacement. If for nothing else but the promotion of Universal Apps.

 

[erzhik]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

Personally, its good that they abonded it as they did, was able to claim my warranty and upgrade to Note8 for $150.

From not so personal view, the problem was that they didn't pay enough attention to it. They released it and let it do its thing. No ads, no promos, nothing. The difference between promoting windows phone under Ballmer and Nadella were vastly different.

 

[anywhereanytime]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

Why don't you WC guys create/publish a true professional survey and let it run for several months - to get traction and perhaps picked up by the Media and make it to the US states, UK, Italy, etc. I am typing this on my Verizon Icon but it soon would have been an HP Elite x3 on Verizon had Satya Nadella NOT pulled the plug.

Why Satya couldn't let HP continue on their own as a bridge to Andromeda ... I just don't get it?

So, come-on WC, how about a real survey for a permanent record of how PO'd "millions of users are"? I, and my business team, spent many thousands of $$$ over the years - all now boat anchors.

Or ... are actually happy that Satya - as Microsoft’s CEO and leading visionary - abandoned them and pulled the plug on a Microsoft "smartphone" for the 5th time.

Seven years ago, Microsoft OWNED the mobile space!

 

[ausequiis]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

The truth is that Microsoft doesn't commit to hardware at all. Satya Nadella has said on many occasions that Microsoft is a software company and it is what it does best. (I don't know if that is completely accurate however.) For example, the Surface line is said to be an example device for other manufactuers to jump and make their iteration. Microsoft cringes at the possibility that they will have to support a hardware item. Hardware tends to require face-to-face interactions and qualified technical support available around the clock. Another example: HoloLens. Every time this device is mentioned, Microsoft partners with another company who can bring their own design and functionality to the device.

Unfortunately, Microsoft comprise shy individuals that hate accountability to real people. With Windows Mobile it was another attempt to bring other manufactueres in to do the heavy lifting going forward. What Microsoft forgot is the art of competition. It is the reason for new creations and efficiency. In this new commercial environment, people expect production from the one who introduces it. They are not waiting for someone else to do it. That's so 80's.

 

[pawan_sh]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

I think its obvious MS didn't want to deal with phones and that is why no new ones. Then they can blame the lack of interest (even though there can't be any interest when there is nothing released to get interest in).

No compelling hardware, no ads, no real focus on their own apps, no real marketing...Even whatever hardware they released, it was sold only on Windows store, nowhere else. How did MS expect it to succeed? It is a mystery to me. And they say they tried but failed, the truth is they never tried.

 

[MxPxP86]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

They gave it as much time as their terribad marketing and production could take or handle. Firstly, the app gap is real and painful, and their lack of stability/support for the developers can't be overlooked. That harsh reality understood, windows 10 mobile is imo still the most pleasing, coherent mobile OS at its core. From time to time I pick up my 950, and am stunned by it's fluidity, responsiveness, and just how well their team maintained the "get in, get out" mentality. That philosophy might have been part of it's very downfall (that and the app gap); come to find out, people really LIKE just looking at their phones. W10m assumed you had better things to do (in a good way). The devices and OS... expected more from you? Like, get out there, USE this phone, but go experience life. Nope. People just like staring at a screen and windows10m didn't oblige that.
I'm hoping somehow Andromeda + windows on arm allows for the best of both worlds; windows 10 OS, whatever apps they maintain, android apps. Continuum was fantastic, and worked. If it had the apps, I could've easily seen my significant other - someone who is staunchly against technology - living with a next-gen w10m device as their single device. Now? Even I'm using android and... so is Microsoft? *sigh* MS, stop being confusing.

 

[Nayden]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

Have you ever thought about a tile in your start screen showing the green robot, and when being pushed emulating the android OS, so we could overcome the app gap. Just dreaming...

 

[Manmute]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

The worst thing Microsoft did was to acquisition NOKIA, happy Nokia joint the WM7.. Os platform as gave hope to end user that Htc totally ignored when it decided to switch totally to Android Os.
While we know MS is now looking at its full window operating on ARM device with enabled cell service we can really say if that’s their secrecy weapon to deliver to consumers, on the handle what do I know I’ve only been using window mobile since PDA day back in 2002/3.

 

[Korfuntu]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

Of course they did!!!

As long as MS continues with their dumbass strategy of announcing what they claim is the next great thing, then cancelling it and orphaning all the first adopters, developers and hardware OEM's when that "thing" doesn't become a $1 billion addition to the corporate balance sheet after a few calendar quarters, they are becoming the company that NO ONE can trust to continue a product. Without that trust, developers will abandon MS, users will abandon MS when they have to buy OTHER COMPANY's products to enjoy technology in their lives, and manufacturers will abandon MS when they can't count on MS to support and enhance the ecosystem required for their hardware.

Microsoft NEVER supported, promoted and marketed Windows Phone. Not one time. After they axed the Nokia products and employees, I'm surprised that they continued with Windows 10 Mobile at all. What the hell did they expect WM10 to run on? Radio Shack TRS-80's????

Abandonment of a unique smartphone operating system with some clear user advantages and features NOT FOUND on Android and iOS was one of the stupidest, most lame-brained moves MS has ever made. Devoting some time and resources to promotion and marketing of Windows Phone would NOT have been an instant win, but I believe over time it would have garnered a respectable share of the smartphone market and would have allowed MS to be present on all the devices at least some of their customers use to manage their lives. Ceding that market to Google, Samsung and Apple means THEY get to control the direction of mobile technology, NOT Microsoft. If Satya Nadella wants to have MS be a follower rather than a leader in mobile technology, then MS will suffer the fate of becoming irrelevant. But I will have jumped off that ship long before it sinks.

 

[fatclue_98]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

If Microsoft had marketed this....If Microsoft had done that....

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas. Have y'all seen the price of Microsoft stock since Mobile was taken off the "focus" list? Shareholders think Nadella's a genius and there might even be a bonus for him while we're stuck having to find an alternative that may or may not suit us.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Manmute]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

If Microsoft had marketed this....If Microsoft had done that....

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas. Have y'all seen the price of Microsoft stock since Mobile was taken off the "focus" list? Shareholders think Nadella's a genius and there might even be a bonus for him while we're stuck having to find an alternative that may or may not suit us.

Merry Christmas.

Read the topic again please

 

[Maxim Alexeyev]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

If they were going to keep doing what they were doing, it wouldn't matter. But Microsoft could do something differently.

Microsoft just got greedy. They needed to break established duopoly of Apple and Google, to do that they had to subsidize it heavily. They had to make Windows phone darn cheep. Free for OEM manufactures, rebates, any form of subsidies. They should've gone for 50% to comparable Android phones. Yes, it would become financial loss, but this is an investment today to get return tomorrow. It would be a huge bet, but that could move the needle.

Everyone is greedy, people would respond to low price, gaining market share, which could jump start app development, since this is what developers were missing.

You need to nurture fire before it becomes sustainable on it's own.

I guess it's hard to do when you need to please shareholders.

 

[minzegwu]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

Yes, absolutely. And it is rather unfortunate in that they could have taken the long view, in consideration of Windows Core OS and CShell. They simply needed to eliminate the multi-version nature of Windows. Doesn't make sense to have one for phone, laptop, desktop, tablet, Xbox, Hololens, ​

iot

, etc, when they could have one single modular/granular OS. The part I don't altogether understand is that they have been working on Windows Core OS for a while now and they should have planned better for the future. Windows Mobile, as an OS, is dumb, but Windows 10 in tablet (mobile) mode is NOT. They could simply do as they have done with Office, use screen size as a delineator. Here is a rough idea;
<=7" -Windows 10 with mobile shell
7-10" Windows 10 with ​

tablet

shell
10+ Windows 10 with laptop/desktop shell
Simple, isn't it? And this does, by the way, preserve UWP in that devs can still make responsive apps, based on screen size and input method. Its a win win win (for Microsoft, devs and end users).
I do think it is a shame. I Know a Windows Core OS device is coming but many people, ​

devs

and users, have already abandoned, not just Windows 10 Mobile, but Microsoft as a whole.
I hope they can somehow regain the public trust and resurrect themselves. I have been using an iPhone, as a bit of an experiment, for the last few months, and I do really miss Windows 10 Mobile, and will actually get another Windows Phone, as iOS/Android do not do it for me.
There are still diehard BlackBerry and Palm OS fans and I think that number for Microsoft could have been a huge number if they kept their messaging right, but I think the sad reality is that Microsoft has driven to man loyalist away...
I really hope the next Surface Mobile/Mini/Phone (or perhaps simply Surface) is an awesome, potentially currier like device, that will drive a lot of people back to the Microsoft camp. Who knows, at this point, with Groove Music going away, and other consumer-facing products. I do lump them kinda in the same category as Windows 10 Mobile, even though I do know there are glaring differences, but Microsoft could've handled the situation better. For instance, Groove could still exist as a music player and store, much like their Movies & TV app. They could've simply gotten rid of the Streaming portion, which I presume most of the upkeep costs came from.
Keys to success:
(Buy Spotify) keep selling music in the store, like Movies & TV
Windows/One Core OS - get it right
CShell ---get it right
DO NOT SHIP WINDOWS WITH INCOMPLETE/BROKEN/MISSING FEATURES (MY People, ETC. There is a super long list)
Only ship 1 major update a year
STOP rushing features, take time to get right before shipping
Single subscription including O365, Xbox Live, No more Groove, I don't know...
BRING BACK UNLIMITED ONEDRIVE
There's more but that's all for now.​

 

[Jade Barnes]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

One moment I'm excited for Cshell and the next I'm being told there will be no new features. They gave up entirely too fast.

 

[Munkyby]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

MS absolutely gave up too soon, if at all. How can you be the maker of a non-mobile operating system called Windows 10 and expect to be relevant to the world by giving up on the mobile version of said operating system. If developers don't care about W10 mobile apps, then they don't care about W10 apps in general.

Microsoft should have two divisions. One for hardware, one for software. They should not be connected (CEO's) by anything other than a telephone used to order software for the hardware......

What's the use. I'm tired of venting about MS pulling the rug out from under the users. The only reason MS's stock is rising so much is due to the constant revenue of cloud services, which if someone could come up with a better alternative for Office doc storage and/or OneDrive connected storage, they may not have that consumer obligated revenue.

 

[AndyCalling]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

I think Ol' Nads did just the right thing at the right moment to alienate the maximum number of consumers, devs and consumer focussed suppliers as far as he could. That was pretty much his stated goal, to move MS out of the consumer space.

Remember, 'Mobile First' was the slogan. The rest will surely follow the same post-consumer model. Seems like Ol' Nads is assured success.

 

[sumton]

Re: Did Microsoft gave windows 10 mobile less time to succeed as compared to windows phone 8,8.1

They are bitting on tablets as a replacement for phones