So I take it you've never actually looked at the Atom-based tablet market. The ASUS T100 comes with the keyboard dock and USB 3.0 support for $400-500, while coming with the full version of Office and running x86 programs. You could even get an x86 tablet for under $300, if you went the sub-8" route, like with the Dell and Toshiba options.
Did Microsoft just kill RT?
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So I take it you've never actually looked at the Atom-based tablet market. The ASUS T100 comes with the keyboard dock and USB 3.0 support for $400-500, while coming with the full version of Office and running x86 programs. You could even get an x86 tablet for under $300, if you went the sub-8" route, like with the Dell and Toshiba options.
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As someone who has owned both RT and 2 (traded the RT in for the 2), I'd advise waiting for a deal to get a 2. Words cannot give justice to the difference in performance. I didn't believe the accolades given for the 2 over the RT, but they are indeed worthy words of praise. If you simply want something to tinker with and toy around, yes a sub-$200 RT is a great tinker-toy... that's why I originally bought the RT, but then I got hooked into using it for real. :grin:
In spite of Microsoft's continued mixed messages and missteps with regard to RT, I'm still a fan... maybe a hopeless optimist. I keep thinking that one day Microsoft will take the step to bring to fruition the benefits of Windows on ARM.
I mean. I'm not saying that you're wrong. I just hate with a passion the pricing of the Pro series. It's so ridiculously over rated in its field. Sure its a BADASS tablet/laptop and its worth it no doubt. But if they get rid of the RT version... I Iove what MS the did with the Surface. Don't think there's that many tablets out there that compete at least to an extent but that means that all will have to buy a 800 dollar product what could be 400 hp or Toshiba laptop. Rip-off
Microsoft should just change it from not trying to pull people away from using their "laptops" but from their Macbook Pro with retina displays. I mean god. its goes to $2,000. You got to have all luxury packages to get the Macbooks to go that high of a price
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Worth noting that, assuming my memory serves me correctly, there were no low-power x86 with decent performance (Atom chips in netbooks anyone?) at the time, so the lower-power ARM was a good bet, right?
Well, then Intel unleashes its Clover-Trail, Bay-Trail, Haswell stuff on the world.
I actually like RT. But for me, I need Adobe CC on my device which for the moment leaves RT in the cold. I doubt RT is going away. I just feel like MS is dividing the pro line from the non pro. Pro's are now 12 inch, I wouldn't be surprised if in a month they announce a surface 3 running RT at an 8-10 inch size. That makes more sense for RT and the 12 inch makes more sense for the pro line.
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Good riddance to RT. The stuff Microsoft showed with Photoshop shows exactly why RT has no place at the moment. There are years worth of applications available to Windows users and RT throws all that away while at the same time cant give you access to all the new mobile apps available on other platforms. How is such an OS supposed to appeal to anyone?
Maybe later when the work to merge WP and RT is complete and seamless it can reemerge but for now all it does is prove to be less capable than any OS its compared to and less desirable than all. Atom tablets rightly should be in the forefront now, as they offer the best of both worlds, which is something the SP3 shows off perfectly.
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Maybe later when the work to merge WP and RT is complete and seamless it can reemerge but for now all it does is prove to be less capable than any OS its compared to and less desirable than all. Atom tablets rightly should be in the forefront now, as they offer the best of both worlds, which is something the SP3 shows off perfectly.
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Well what about remote desktop?
Surely you could run your x86 applications off your desktop pc or laptop (given that pretty much everyone would have a desktop pc or laptop lying around) thus giving you the best of both worlds. How ever I'm not sure what the performance would be over a unlimited 4g connection and port forwarding, as you would need to take into account your cellular reception / mobile broadband signal. But I have seen a user post a video with his surface connected to his pc (i think) via remote desktop through Wi Fi and there was no visible performance drops. Once i find the video I will update this post.
Edit: Link to video below
Surface RT + Remote Desktop
If your interested, here is part one
Part 1
Surely you could run your x86 applications off your desktop pc or laptop (given that pretty much everyone would have a desktop pc or laptop lying around) thus giving you the best of both worlds. How ever I'm not sure what the performance would be over a unlimited 4g connection and port forwarding, as you would need to take into account your cellular reception / mobile broadband signal. But I have seen a user post a video with his surface connected to his pc (i think) via remote desktop through Wi Fi and there was no visible performance drops. Once i find the video I will update this post.
Edit: Link to video below
Surface RT + Remote Desktop
If your interested, here is part one
Part 1
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MSFT should kill RT devices and the WinRT API. They should:
1. Define a secure subset of Win32 API (eliminate all the old obsolete stuff)
2. Add a scalable Win32 UI API (call the combo of #1 and #2 something like "Win32X")
3. Add a Win32X Store but only take 10% of sales
4. Backport the damn thing to Win7
Item #4 is critical. That way MSFT gets a cut of sales to their huge installed base and ISVs have a huge marketplace to sell into. It is all gain, no pain for everyone involved.
On the other hand, WinRT API is all pain, no gain. It has few users yet requires ISVs to maintain another code that's incompatible with what currently brings in the sales. In addition, MSFT takes a 30% cut of the meager sales ISVs manage to make. Double the work for less money. All pain, no gain. It has to be one of the biggest mistakes in business history. Much worse than "New Coke" since the technology world moves far faster. I believe it will kill MSFT in the end (implementing Win32X might save them but I'm not sure of that).
1. Define a secure subset of Win32 API (eliminate all the old obsolete stuff)
2. Add a scalable Win32 UI API (call the combo of #1 and #2 something like "Win32X")
3. Add a Win32X Store but only take 10% of sales
4. Backport the damn thing to Win7
Item #4 is critical. That way MSFT gets a cut of sales to their huge installed base and ISVs have a huge marketplace to sell into. It is all gain, no pain for everyone involved.
On the other hand, WinRT API is all pain, no gain. It has few users yet requires ISVs to maintain another code that's incompatible with what currently brings in the sales. In addition, MSFT takes a 30% cut of the meager sales ISVs manage to make. Double the work for less money. All pain, no gain. It has to be one of the biggest mistakes in business history. Much worse than "New Coke" since the technology world moves far faster. I believe it will kill MSFT in the end (implementing Win32X might save them but I'm not sure of that).
RT is not dead, WP will merge with RT somehow, I'm thinking something like Ubuntu tried to do,a mobile OS that once it connected with a dock station become the tablet environment we see in RT today.
And here is a small answer for us by the verge. http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/5/2...dly-canceled-plans-to-unveil-the-surface-mini
I'm quite certain they will release such a product for people who don't work. But it's not just photoshop, many people work and need a real computer to do that work on. While the Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2 is great for that, the Surface Pro 3 is even better. Many professionals (not just creative) will want a pro 3. And the Pro line doesn't need to dominate, it just needs to be profitable.
Actually Rt was a great idea and way ahead of Apple and android. Unfortunately the expanded potential of Rt and it being a different is then WP was also what killed it. It allows much more than phone os. But because it can't share apps with the phone os without app writers recompiling it kills any app momentum it could have received from WP and that might be its undoing. Great idea, great potential, but can it sustain enough attention and last long enough to build the app count and quality WP has finally attained?
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I fear that Windows RT was doomed from the start. I loved my Surface when I first go it, and the Surface 2 is twice as awesome. As other posters above have said, it's an excellent tablet with a huge amount of power and usability.
To my mind, the general confusion surrounding Windows 8 (the desktop OS) led very much to the demise of Windows RT - if people understood their Windows 8 PCs, they'd immediately get that RT is the perfect sister device. It really didn't help that most of the technology website reviews were also confused and labelled RT as "crippled".
However, I'll still be using my Surface as my primary device, I still absolutely love it. I'll also be looking with interest at the Surface 3.
To my mind, the general confusion surrounding Windows 8 (the desktop OS) led very much to the demise of Windows RT - if people understood their Windows 8 PCs, they'd immediately get that RT is the perfect sister device. It really didn't help that most of the technology website reviews were also confused and labelled RT as "crippled".
However, I'll still be using my Surface as my primary device, I still absolutely love it. I'll also be looking with interest at the Surface 3.
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Don't know why but this made me laugh a little.
Anyways, I'd love a Surface Mini but I don't think there is much need for one in general. I doubt we'd see much of a cost difference either.
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I really hope they didn't, RT based tablets are consumption devices that compete directly with the iPad. Killing off RT in favour of Atom based Windows Tablets negates the reason for Surface Pro to exist and for that reason alone they are a stupid idea, aside from **** poor performance and battery life, why would anyone buy them when you have i3 and i7 based tablets with a better price/performance ratio.
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I've been saying for over a year now, that RT won't survive. The fact that Nadella and Elop don't see the need for it probably seals its fate. However, this is all rather irrelevant.
The WinRT API / ModernUI runtime environment will live on. As part of Windows and as part of WP9 and up. WP8.1 is already very close being able to replicate WinRT entirely and when it does, it can replace RT as an OS too.
WOA is definitely not dead. It's just that WP will become the standard bearer of that title instead of RT.
In a nutshell, much will change, but for the average consumer little will be noticeable... Except that store apps (a.k.a metro or ModernUI or WinRT apps) will run everywhere, and that we'll have a single store.
The WinRT API / ModernUI runtime environment will live on. As part of Windows and as part of WP9 and up. WP8.1 is already very close being able to replicate WinRT entirely and when it does, it can replace RT as an OS too.
WOA is definitely not dead. It's just that WP will become the standard bearer of that title instead of RT.
In a nutshell, much will change, but for the average consumer little will be noticeable... Except that store apps (a.k.a metro or ModernUI or WinRT apps) will run everywhere, and that we'll have a single store.
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