Google Should Be Afraid.

[Dantekai14]

thanks! for the explanation sym1a1a, I really appreciate it.
I am also a WP user and I do miss Google services on my phone.
But still I do not hate Google for this. The reason is I know the history about MS and Google. As far as I know WP is growing very fast but still haven't got decent market share.
Google said that if WP got good market share they'll release apps and this applied with many other app developers too.
and not to mention many apps and games are still not optimized for WP phone. So, even those who release their app for WP still not very serious about this OS.

So, even the developers aren't interest in releasing apps for WP so, how we can thought Google who hates MS(and so does MS) will release app for WP. It's not make any sense.
and if MS want to protest this, instead of bullying Google services they can also stop providing their apps for Android. But MS can't do that because that will be huge loss for MS because their are very large number of users in Android and MS will give upper hand to their competitors.
So, it's not that MS is proving their services to other OS because they care about user, it's because MS care about business.

and Google apps will release on WP when MS will create same situation for Google means if Google not provides it's app then they lose large number of user to it's competitors.
and for that WP have to go long way.

 

[dnomadic]

If I May weigh-in....

I don't see either company being afraid, but both are consciously aware of the other as they plan for the future... Thinking business and protecting core business (for Google it's advertisement)...

For Google, they are aware of WP8, but to to protect there Ad money they continually invest in innovating (successes and failures) and putting low cost highly functional (although with some caveats) "connected" equipment into as many hands as possible. Chromebooks (Big upswing, connects directly to google, more AD Money), will continue to eat at the "wintel" and "Apple" marketshares... Look to see increased development of Offline editing and functionality of Google Docs --- Supplant desktop in the near future, NO, but it will have continued growth in the consumer space as they increase offline ability (will maintain as an internet dependent device), I also see growth in the education realm. More hands, more dollars. they are aware of Windows, but I doubt they are afraid.

 

[Funky Cricket]

note: I didn't read every post on the second page but here are my thoughts:

1: Ecosystem, One Note, IE, and office, it just works, the rest is messy, but is coming along. Sky Drive could be more functional, but it works for the apps I need to have across platforms for now.

2. I find it just way easier to use, I pick up my wifes android now and it just looks like my toddlers did it. stuff everywhere, and I can't find anything. I used to do roms for my old androids, now I don't want to go back.

3. Apps, seriously, I don't need an app to go to a web page for me when I can just go to the web page on my phone. The apps are more touch friendly, but for the most part anything that doesn't have an app I can use the web for. NO problems, even for my main line CRM for work, just go to the web page. works great.

 

[MyNL822]

Dammit Google!!! I just want a freaking YouTube app for my laptop and/or my phone!!!
I have used google for everything for years, but i own no Google devices. I liked google phones, but they weren't in my budget because i was looking for an off contract phone. When it came time for me and my parents to decide on an option for a laptop, the chromebook seemed pretty good until we found out it couldn't get Microsoft Office. I don't know if Google really is afraid, but they are getting on my nerves as well as Microsoft. Can't they simply settle their differences and bring us what we want? Google was able to bring YouTube to iOS because it has the most users so they must get these users the apps they want. But why can't they do the same for windows? Majority of sales of laptops/desktops are Windows 7/8 computers, they should bring us the apps since we are the top selling computer.
A perfect snap feature, but no ability to use it to watch a YouTube video and type a paper.

 

[hopmedic]

While I do believe that WP is (and should be) on Google's radar, I really believe that Apple should be more afraid, given the market shares involved. Google is the biggest, and while they have the most to lose, Apple could definitely lose as well, as more and more people learn about the WP experience.

 

[Dantekai14]

While I do believe that WP is (and should be) on Google's radar, I really believe that Apple should be more afraid, given the market shares involved. Google is the biggest, and while they have the most to lose, Apple could definitely lose as well, as more and more people learn about the WP experience.

Yeah! in smartphone market.
but this also applied with MS(most to lose) in PC market.

 

[Tre Lawrence]

While I do agree that Google has WP8 on the radar, I don't necessarily agree that a lack of its apps for WP8 is a clear sign that it is afraid of Windows Phone.

Sounds more like an issue of ROI. If the money is there, Gapps will come.

Google doesn't care where its profits come from. I do believe that it has begun to streamline its offerings (Reader, for example) and make existing offerings better (long overdue, IMHO). If/When WP8 and/or BB10 becomes bigger, Google will be first in line.

Heck, Google has released apps for iOS before Android.

 

[tgp]

While I do agree that Google has WP8 on the radar, I don't necessarily agree that a lack of its apps for WP8 is a clear sign that it is afraid of Windows Phone.

Sounds more like an issue of ROI. If the money is there, Gapps will come.

Google doesn't care where its profits come from. I do believe that it has begun to streamline its offerings (Reader, for example) and make existing offerings better (long overdue, IMHO). If/When WP8 and/or BB10 becomes bigger, Google will be first in line.

Heck, Google has released apps for iOS before Android.

This view is the most logical, and it's also the position I take. But what does logic have to do with anything?

 

[DBZo07]

In this dirty competition, we users suffer. If Google steals your data than Microsoft is not different from it. Point is, Google openly does it.


Sent from my L625

 

[planoman]

I use one note, SkyDrive with auto upload, and Xbox music. All works well on any device I pick up, or computer. Neither looks messy or horribly designed. Not saying they don't have quirks but they aren't a mess. All access music subscription, since I'm a music head, worked inconsistently on my LG optimus less than a year ago. Songs wouldn't play, wouldn't cache properly, and if I dared skip past any portion or rewind, it crashes or permanently cuts my songs off at that point with any listen. To add, new music I purchased wouldn't show up for about a week. Google has some nice knick knacks but their performance needs fine tuning also

So since you use x box music, a question...I added a playlist from iTunes which consisted to all of my songs to the x box music app on my desktop. I then had it moved to the cloud and matched. Almost all the songs were matched because almost all of my songs are DRM free so I can move them around. So I tried to stream music using the x box app on my windows phone and nothing, nada from my phone? Do I have to pay to be able to stream my music to my phone. I know that x box technically matched my music and did not move my songs to the cloud but to have to pay 10 a month seems crazy...to me. Luckily, I found the app cloudmuzik which allows me to stream from my google play music account.

Was I missing something on x box music? Thanks!

 

[bsayegh]

Meh, I don't think they are afraid of MS. Google has the advantage of their products being considered "cool", which MS only really has going with the Xbox. Android phones are also a lot more customizable. I think there are a lot of reasons to go with an Android phone, really.

I don't like the Android OS. I do think it is pretty convoluted. Its like you have too many options of how to do things. I don't want 4 ways to do things, I just want one really quick way. Honestly, WP doesn't provide that a lot of times. I wish WP had a notifications menu. I wish there was a really quick way to turn Bluetooth on and off. The OS is far from perfect, and I am REALLY hoping the next update fixes a lot of that.

I am happy with my WP and my next phone will also be a WP, but to say that Google is afraid of MS and people are going to be clamoring for Windows Phones any time soon is silly.

 

[neo158]

Actually, I can guarantee you that Google is very afraid. Why? Because it's not just about WP8. It's the whole ecosystem. Let me explain: My dad came over for Christmas and showed off his new Dell Venue 8 Pro. Very nice, and setup to mirror his desktop. Think about this for a second...it's getting to the point where someone can take their desktop and apps from their PC to their tablet, and be on the go. When WP8 merges with RT, and can then do nearly the same (the exception being the desktop apps), you can get access to everything, anywhere, at any time. Add services like Bing, Outlook.com (easily superior to GMail), OneNote, and other such things, and you can see where MS is going.

So here is why Google is afraid. If you get to the point where you can either choose an Android tablet and phone, with little connectivity between the two, or you can choose, for around the same price, a more powerful x86 tablet that runs full Windows, that mirrors your desktop, and you can add your phone to it as well...that's where it gets to the point of - who needs Google? It's BlackBerry all over again. That is why Google is trying so hard to push Chromebooks. If they don't they risk becoming unimportant in about 2 or 3 more years. Having seen Chromebooks in action, I don't think it's going to help them.

I agree with the author of this thread, as Android is convoluted. I deal with it on my TouchPad and it drives me nuts. The whole methodology is a mess. The only place where I can stand Android is on tablets like the Nooks we have where the interface makes it more bearable, but only slightly. Even there...who needs a Nook or Fire when you can get a Win8 x86 tablet with Nook and Kindle apps and have both? Windows Phone is going to be the final piece of the puzzle, and it's ease of use, and low cost devices (520/521) are going to drive it past iOS, and start competing with Android until the merging is done. Then it's going to be a quick decline for Android.

Exactly how I feel, WP has the whole Windows ecosystem around it with Windows 8.1/RT 8.1 and the services, Outlook.com and Skydrive, as well as the industry standard productivity suite in Office and that makes it the better option. I've always said that Android feels like a bunch of open source projects thrown together in a weekend to try and make an OS, but it never feels cohesive unlike WP.

If you've been using Microsoft products as long as I have then you might agree with me when I say that over the years I've seen the bits of the ecosystem coming together but they never quite made it fit together properly. It wasn't easy, but now it seems like they finally have all the pieces in place and it's going to be interesting to see where Microsoft goes with it. I think that being able to have access to everything, everywhere is what will put Microsoft on top.

 

[Shawn Magm]

Thanks for the one note tip. Still trying to figure it all out. Since I only have a 16GB model I need to use x box music but it seems so busy, I like simple apps. I do use iTunes but it was all put there drm free from Amazon. I also use Google play music as the songs are matched. I guess I just need to have the x box music app on my desktop read the music from iTunes and then select match for the cloud and all of my song will be available on the x box app on my phone? Maybe I am doing something wrong but skydrive is very very slow on my device. I have a AC wireless network so I cannot imagine it being the network. Also trying to get photos to auto upload seems hit and miss...works well from computers just the Lumia I am having issues with. Also as a gmail user I am still working through not having a OEM google app. Using the Outlook app since my gmail is my MSFT account email also. Works ok but just takes getting used to.

Skydrive works well with my Lumia 520. At least in my experience, photos load quickly. I wish there was a Google Play app, but unfortunately, the 3rd party ones are crap.

 

[planoman]

Skydrive works well with my Lumia 520. At least in my experience, photos load quickly. I wish there was a Google Play app, but unfortunately, the 3rd party ones are crap.

Skydrive is working for my pics but pretty slow. It takes a while to upload but it does do it. Skydive is faster on my moto x...probably because of AC wireless. This email thing is confusing...the send only account or send and receive etc...

Do you mean google play music? I am using cloudmuzik. Not perfect but working pretty well so far. The speaker on the 925 is pretty good!

 

[Paul May]

Sounds more like an issue of ROI. If the money is there, Gapps will come

While I agree with your premise there is a flaw in it. How much does a YouTube app cost to make and sustain? And how many WP users are there in the world now? You don't think that a few MILLION customers who will be viewing your ads and your collecting data on would be worth the cost of producing a simple YouTube app? A few million customers is not an insignificant amount of people.

 

[Paul May]

Meh, I don't think they are afraid of MS. Google has the advantage of their products being considered "cool", which MS only really has going with the Xbox.

Cool is something that changes with time, just like it was once "cool" to own an iPhone, but that lost its appeal somewhat, the Galaxy phones are the new cool and will also lose ground eventually, and maybe it will be MS turn, maybe Samsung will come up with a new defining phone to replace that one. Who knows.

 

[bilzkh]

To those saying 'Google isn't afraid of Windows Phone'... please let Google make that point by offering its apps and services on Windows Phone and Windows 8.x. Don't feel the need to make such a claim when the reality is completely different. The Nintendo 3DS has more substantive Google support than Windows Phone.

Unlike Google, Microsoft's idea of competition doesn't involve punishing customers for their choice of platforms. It isn't as though Skype, OneNote, Xbox Music, etc. are getting non-citizen class treatment, they're well supported. Sure, Microsoft fires low ball shots at Google in its marketing, but that's a strike against Google, not Google users! There's Outlook, Skype, Office, OneNote and Xbox Music on Android for express use for those invested in the Microsoft eco-system.

Google's sticking the middle finger to Google customers on WP. Because of Google's lack of support a business running Google Apps cannot have employees using Windows Phone. Besides completely shutting WP out, Google's basically telling those committed to WP to GTFO.

By withholding its services on Windows Phone (tens of millions of users!), Google is attacking customers. No sane person can even compare this absurdity to Scroogled, no way...screw off, honestly. You'd have to be dogmatic and ignorant to be offended by Microsoft, it isn't even bashing you, the customer. But Google? Yes, it's punishing its users for using WP, that's not only fear... that's excommunication!

Google's afraid folks, that's the reality.

 

[tgp]

To those saying 'Google isn't afraid of Windows Phone'... please let Google make that point by offering its apps and services on Windows Phone and Windows 8.x. Don't feel the need to make such a claim when the reality is completely different. The Nintendo 3DS has more substantive Google support than Windows Phone.

Unlike Google, Microsoft's idea of competition doesn't involve punishing customers for their choice of platforms. It isn't as though Skype, OneNote, Xbox Music, etc. are getting non-citizen class treatment, they're 1st (Skype) and 2nd (Office). Sure, Microsoft fires low ball shots at Google in its marketing, but that's a strike against Google, not Google users!

By withholding its services on Windows Phone (tens of millions of users!), Google is attacking customers. No sane person can even compare this to what Microsoft does with Scroogled, no way, screw off. You'd have to be dogmatic and ignorant to be offended by Microsoft, it isn't even bashing the customer, Google is. That's the reality.

Google's afraid.

Hmmm, interesting view. But let's look at it from another angle: if Microsoft didn't provide their services on Android & iOS, they would currently have 4.1% as many customers using their services on mobile devices as they have now. So, is Microsoft doing to for the customer? I guess you could say they are, but it's for their benefit. If they didn't think it would help their bottom line they certainly wouldn't do it. By Google not providing their services on WP, they are reducing their market share potential from about 99% to 95%. Maybe it would pay, but the ROI might be less than their standards, or they figure it's worth whatever revenue they're sacrificing to reduce the attractiveness of WP. In that case, would you blame them? Neither you nor I know the reasoning. But the answer is not as straightforward or obvious as we might think. We just feel passionate about it because we feel the effects. Although I probably don't feel it as keenly as you do because I use an Android along side my 920.

Microsoft themselves provide a better experience on Android & iOS than on WP in a couple areas. The Skype experience is much better on Android & iOS, and they haven't even released an RDP app for WP yet. Why is that? Does Microsoft have something against WP? What about other big name developers like Facebook & Flipboard (thankfully the list is shrinking)? Why does WP come last, if at all? (Ha, like I'm sure this is the first time you've ever heard this.)

And Google's not really attacking the customer. You probably knew full well going into WP that you weren't going to have Google apps. It was your choice. There are others platforms out there that have Google services. I don't go to McDonald's and complain because they didn't provide me with a rib-eye steak. You weighed all the pros and cons and decided WP was worth it. Accept it and move on.

I don't want to rule out what you're saying, because you might be right and I might be wrong. The long and short of it is that neither of us know the reasoning behind what's going on.

 

[SwimSwim]

So, what you think about MS, some kind of angel. If you read about Rockstar , then you'll find MS is even more evil than Google.

and it's not actually evil, it's called business.

I never said Microsoft was above such things (I hear they scan user's SkyDrive files, an invasion of privacy if I ever heard one). I just simply hate that, in the public eye, people think Google is pure awesome. Meanwhile, they harvest your data and give very clunky controls over what you share.

Every company needs more robust privacy controls, but I feel that Google is one of the worst offenders, especially since it sports that above evil mantra.

 

[planoman]

To those saying 'Google isn't afraid of Windows Phone'... please let Google make that point by offering its apps and services on Windows Phone and Windows 8.x. Don't feel the need to make such a claim when the reality is completely different. The Nintendo 3DS has more substantive Google support than Windows Phone.

Unlike Google, Microsoft's idea of competition doesn't involve punishing customers for their choice of platforms. It isn't as though Skype, OneNote, Xbox Music, etc. are getting non-citizen class treatment, they're well supported. Sure, Microsoft fires low ball shots at Google in its marketing, but that's a strike against Google, not Google users! There's Outlook, Skype, Office, OneNote and Xbox Music on Android for express use for those invested in the Microsoft eco-system.

Google's sticking the middle finger to Google customers on WP. Because of Google's lack of support a business running Google Apps cannot have employees using Windows Phone. Besides completely shutting WP out, Google's basically telling those committed to WP to GTFO.

By withholding its services on Windows Phone (tens of millions of users!), Google is attacking customers. No sane person can even compare this absurdity to Scroogled, no way...screw off, honestly. You'd have to be dogmatic and ignorant to be offended by Microsoft, it isn't even bashing you, the customer. But Google? Yes, it's punishing its users for using WP, that's not only fear... that's excommunication!

Google's afraid folks, that's the reality.

Giving away their OS so other OEM's can adopt it and sell it, subsidizing world class devices such as the nexus line so the masses can get them, to include influencing Motorola to lower the price of the Moto X in the same fashion. Not acting like a company that is too afraid. Google went public in 2004 and is currently worth 370 Billion...

As as been stated I do think thing the lack of Google OEM apps is a sign that they are afraid. The fact that MSFT makes their apps for android and there are so many third party Google apps on Windows Phone should say the opposite. GOOG has not felt the need to deploy resources to Windows Phone. I do hope the market share of Windows Phones reaches a point to where GOOG does have to develop apps for WP. A more important question is why has MSFT not more with apps for WP. Most of the good apps I have are Nokia. I mean MSFT's own You tube app gets 2.5 stars?

I am still a novice with Windows Phones and I am interested in this one OS integrated into all devices. I am still hoping to see this demonstrated because I have not yet, not to the level I see with Apple products and with GOOG apps on Android. I am open minded and am using bing on my windows stuff! lol!

The whole should be afraid think is interesting. I think GOOG is going their own way and heavy into the social media apps but hopefully they respect MSFT and APPL and do not become complacent. I think having a healthy competition is good for innovation which ultimately benefits us!