Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

[tekhna]

the 4 isnt three years old, neither is the 4s.... apple releases one phone a year so they wont have this issue... your argument is ******** as usual.

this is no different than what we are going through. microsoft is upgrading what they can. just like apple is upgrading what they can. is this any different than the bionic not getting ICS? NO! its not!

when updating an OS to this magnitude, they do what they can... furthermore ios updates are no where near as big as this... ios updates are like nodo, wow now we have copy and paste....


so get out of my life with that garbage

What are you talking about?? I wasn't discussing the 4 or the 4S, I didn't mention it even once--where is that coming from?

And yes, it is. It's totally different. Motorola made the choice to stop supporting the Bionic, not Google. It'd be something akin to Nokia refusing to update the 900. Instead, Microsoft made the decision. It's a good decision in the sense of setting itself up for the future, but it shafts current users, and it totally screws Nokia. Who in their right mind would buy a Nokia phone before WP8? Their cash burn is going to massively accelerate as they have to do more R&D and lose sales.

 

[texantony]

The way i see it, Windows 7 is more than a year old. Yeah, 7.5 was released but still in the 7 family. I know lumia 900 came out a few months ago but windows phone has been out for a while. I'm actually very excited for the new windows 8 phones even though I own a lumia 900. If I save about $25 - $30 a week, I'll have enough or close to enough to buy a new phone if released in October.

Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express

 

[adamopinheiro]

You totally right, they should have named WP7.8 the WP8.01 and the new WP8.1 just to give the "8" name on it. But I think the kernel change was too big of a deal to make it that way.

I didn't like the homescreen either. I was expecting a more elegant solution.

 

[texantony]

HTC makes better phones? Maybe Nokia needs to get on the ball if you believe that. It's called competition and if you want something better than work harder at it. I'm a lumia 900 owner and I can guarantee I'll be purchasing a new win8 phone. You don't see iPhone users crying every year. They support their product ;-)

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[Mio_Ray]

I just hope Nokia will stick to the Lumia Brand. For years to come I expect to be buying these beauties

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[anon(5335877)]

-Terrible, terrible marketing strategy. Why wouldn't they just call it Windows Phone 8 and tell you all you're not getting is new hardware features? Allowing the media to say "No WP8 for any current WP device" basically stops any sales of all Windows Phones until the fall, screwing Nokia and themselves.

Because they're being honest. It's still running the CE kernel and doesn't have all the features of Apollo, so how could it be considered as WP8?

What about the new start screen?
I hate it. Every picture I've seen looks absolutely horrible. What happened to uncluttered, simplistic, Metro? To me, it looks like two columns of elementarily-large boxes that will look absolutely horrific on anything larger than 3.x inches. Also, with only a relatively low resolution and a relatively high resolution, there's only room for a very high end and a rather low end...What about mid-range (qHD)-type devices?

I sort of agree, I think I'll miss "the gutter" and I kind of wish they allowed you to separate tiles into "groups" with spaces in between sort of like on Windows 8. Otherwise it seems cluttered.

FINALLY, Nokia no longer has any advantage. HTC makes better phones anyway (see: One X - equal in beauty, creams the 900 in screen quality, specs, camera, thinness) and now they even have Nokia Drive. Nokia also gained a bad reputation for updates among Americans who now know Nokia as "that company that made that pretty phone which the sales rep told me will never be upgraded."

I disagree. HTC phones always seem to have problems, like recently:

HTC acknowledges WiFi problem in HTC One X, and has already fixed it in production

And I'm sure you've heard of the call quality and reception issue on the original HTC Titan.

I must admit, though, that I've heard really good things about the SLCD2 screen.

I don't understand how Nokia will gain a bad reputation with updates. In regards to bug fixes and improvements, I think Nokia is the best. They've released updates to address data issues, the purple hue, among other things. Meanwhile, no one has gotten support from HTC regarding the call quality/reception issues for the Titan. Furthermore, I'm still waiting on HTC to update their Connection Settings app to support the Titan II and add a Straight Talk profile (its been at least a couple of months I've been waiting), while Nokia said that they are putting the Nokia Network Setup app back on the marketplace this week.

And about Apollo: The Lumia 900 is still getting 7.8. Does that not count as an upgrade? What about the Samsung Focus 2 and the HTC Titan II? Won't they get a bad reputation for not getting "upgraded" or do those phones no longer exist now?

Honestly, maybe Nokia would have been better off picking Android. It would be a big loss for us, the Windows Phone community, but at least they wouldn't be screwed by Microsoft's perpetual stupidity.

I guess my only two questions are:
A) Why does Microsoft suck so much at marketing?
B) How long until Nokia goes under? Less than a year?

I'd like to add that I absolutely love Windows Phone Mango, Nokia's design, and them as a company. I'm just really annoyed at how stupid Microsoft can be.

Hey, maybe it was Microsoft's plan all along to screw Nokia over, then be able to pick up Nokia for really cheap, then make their own Surface phones like how they made their own Surface tablet.

 

[rdubmu]

The last thing, they never said which devices are getting 7.8.

I believe every device including first generation should get it.

I bet only the lumia will get 7.8

 

[anon(5335877)]

The last thing, they never said which devices are getting 7.8.

I believe every device including first generation should get it.

I bet only the lumia will get 7.8

Why would only the Lumia get it? That wouldn't make any sense.

Actually now that I think about it, in the slide that they showed during the presentation, it showed what I believe to be the Lumia 800, Samsung Focus S, and HTC Radar all running 7.8.

 

[Reflexx]

And minus any new apps designed for WP8, whether they require the new hardware or not!

And if a dev makes an app that is able to run on WP7 I'm sure you'll say, "Well, that's not a WP8 app!" Because by your definition, a WP8 is is something that doesn't run on WP7.

Therefore, you'll always be right. WP8 won't run on WP7 because that is how you define a WP8 app.

 

[rdubmu]

Honestly I don't know why people would invest in this platform anymore...

Windows Mobile was ended with no official upgrade path
windows phone 7 is ended with only a feature upgrade but no app written for windows phone 8 will work.

In a year or two...will Windows Phone 8 not run windows phone 9 apps because Microsoft is just too lazy to invest in this? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

 

[tenoclock]

If i get my money back for Lumia 900 then I will stick around.

 

[anon(5335877)]

The only thing I don't like is that the phone won't have access to windows phone 8 apps...shoot the iphone 3gs will have ios 6. It won't have any new features that came out for the iphone 4, 4s or the new iphone (iphone 5) but the 3gs has access to the app store.

This is a big mistake on Microsoft part.

Meanwhile, the 1st generation iPad isn't getting iOS 6, even though it's newer and has better hardware than the 3GS.

 

[Reflexx]

Honestly I don't know why people would invest in this platform anymore...

Windows Mobile was ended with no official upgrade path
windows phone 7 is ended with only a feature upgrade but no app written for windows phone 8 will work.

In a year or two...will Windows Phone 8 not run windows phone 9 apps because Microsoft is just too lazy to invest in this? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

It sounds like you're not familiar with the reason for the change in base code.

The code base is now unified with Windows 8. There is no reason to change it anymore. They've have to change the code base for Windows on the desktop and tablet. It would be a monumental undertaking, requiring several years of work. And they wouldn't even begin laying out such work until they see how Windows 8 performs. And perhaps even seeing how Windows 9 and 10 perform.

 

[tekhna]

Meanwhile, the 1st generation iPad isn't getting iOS 6, even though it's newer and has better hardware than the 3GS.

The iPad came out in April of 2010.
The Lumia 900 came out in April of 2012.

There's kind of a difference, no?

 

[kenzibit]

Microsoft Juust ****ed me up with no support for WP7.x. The system is now obsolete and fragmented at last.

 

[anon(5335877)]

Honestly I don't know why people would invest in this platform anymore...

Windows Mobile was ended with no official upgrade path
windows phone 7 is ended with only a feature upgrade but no app written for windows phone 8 will work.

In a year or two...will Windows Phone 8 not run windows phone 9 apps because Microsoft is just too lazy to invest in this? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I don't think going to change the kernel again when WP9 comes around.

 

[anon(5335877)]

The iPad came out in April of 2010.
The Lumia 900 came out in April of 2012.

There's kind of a difference, no?

Where did I say Lumia 900 in my post?

 

[tekhna]

Where did I say Lumia 900 in my post?

Nowhere. The comparison is pretty obvious though.

 

[tk-093]

Honestly I don't know why people would invest in this platform anymore...

Windows Mobile was ended with no official upgrade path
windows phone 7 is ended with only a feature upgrade but no app written for windows phone 8 will work.

In a year or two...will Windows Phone 8 not run windows phone 9 apps because Microsoft is just too lazy to invest in this? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Seriously? You don't know why people would invest in the windows 8 platform? Windows 8 that will be on desktops, laptops, ultrabooks, tablets, and phones? And most Windows Phone 8 apps will run on 7.x if the developer writes them that way.

 

[bigkevbosky]

The iPad came out in April of 2010.
The Lumia 900 came out in April of 2012.

There's kind of a difference, no?

And here's a similarity -

Just like your iPad from April 2010 probably still worked fine in April 2012, your Lumia 900 in April of 2014 will probably still work fine as well.