Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

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Wait, what? You can make the new start screen look EXACTLY like your current start screen, minus the "gutter". So you DO like the current start screen but you wouldn't like the same thing minus the "gutter" and the arrow? I'm confused by your statement, because it sounds like you hate the look as-is.

They've just given you options. You want clutter, you get clutter. You want clean, you get clean.

The old look with the "gutter" makes it look a lot cleaner. That's not there at all with 8.



Because they're being honest. It's still running the CE kernel and doesn't have all the features of Apollo, so how could it be considered as WP8?

I sort of agree, I think I'll miss "the gutter" and I kind of wish they allowed you to separate tiles into "groups" with spaces in between sort of like on Windows 8. Otherwise it seems cluttered.



I disagree. HTC phones always seem to have problems, like recently:

HTC acknowledges WiFi problem in HTC One X, and has already fixed it in production

And I'm sure you've heard of the call quality and reception issue on the original HTC Titan.

I must admit, though, that I've heard really good things about the SLCD2 screen.

I don't understand how Nokia will gain a bad reputation with updates. In regards to bug fixes and improvements, I think Nokia is the best. They've released updates to address data issues, the purple hue, among other things. Meanwhile, no one has gotten support from HTC regarding the call quality/reception issues for the Titan. Furthermore, I'm still waiting on HTC to update their Connection Settings app to support the Titan II and add a Straight Talk profile (its been at least a couple of months I've been waiting), while Nokia said that they are putting the Nokia Network Setup app back on the marketplace this week.

And about Apollo: The Lumia 900 is still getting 7.8. Does that not count as an upgrade? What about the Samsung Focus 2 and the HTC Titan II? Won't they get a bad reputation for not getting "upgraded" or do those phones no longer exist now?



Hey, maybe it was Microsoft's plan all along to screw Nokia over, then be able to pick up Nokia for really cheap, then make their own Surface phones like how they made their own Surface tablet.

I hate to say it, but when has honesty ever been top priority for marketing departments? I love the honesty, but Microsoft is like that guy that's TOO honest, so no one likes him. The Focus 2 and Titan II are not important, really. How many do you think they really sold? Plus, Samsung and HTC don't need Windows Phone, so the reputation there is not as important as Nokia's.
7.8 DOES count as an upgrade, but can't you hear the sales reps in a few months "I don't know about that new Lumia 950, the last Lumia was pretty popular and they didn't even bother giving it WP8"?
That sounds like a plan too devious for Microsoft. We're talking about the company whose main policy with differentiating WP8 and 7.8 is "honesty."
Finally, I just had an idea: What if Microsoft did pick up Nokia and they name their Surfaces for screen size? Like there'd be a Surface 4, a Surface 5, 7, and 10. And every year there'd be a refresh and they'd have the same name.
 
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The new Start screen looks GREAT. I'm excited about getting that.

The rest I could care less about really. It's AMAZING how many people are already pitching a fit about not getting WP8 when THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW what the features are yet. :lol:

As for apps, I have what I need already. If I was really obsessed with apps, I would have bought an iPhone, not a Windows Phone.

As far as future apps, developers have the option of writing new apps which will run on both WP8 and WP7. If you think they aren't going to do that for a while, you're wrong. What would you do as a developer? Windows Phone is already a very small market. Would you write your new app so it could only run on a tiny fraction of the tiny Windows Phones out there? Or would you write it for both to start and wait until the number of WP8 devices edges out the number of WP7 devices and then update it? Which makes better business sense?

I'm betting it's going to be at least a YEAR before you see any significant number of WP8-ONLY apps. By then, I'll be almost a year and a half through my cell phone contract.

I'm sure WP8 will bring great things and I'm excited to see what those will be. At the same time I'm really grateful that Microsoft went the extra mile to come up with what looks like will be a very nice refresh for current WP users.

People comparing it to iOS6 running on an old iPhone need to remember that iPhone hardware has barely changed over the last 3 generations. They certainly didn't completely change the OS kernel either.

In operating systems, as in life, along with any real growth comes some pain. :dunno:

People who are seriously talking about jumping ship over this need to change their diapers and grow up. **** happens. Sorry the survival of Windows Phone requires that it evolve and it needs to do it quickly to make up for lost time. That outweighs the desire for you or me to have infinite OS upgrade compatibility.

I have a Lumia 900 and I'm not upset at all. I already love my phone, why would I suddenly like it any less now? I'm going to continue to enjoy it. WP 7.8 will come out, and I'll enjoy my phone even more. Then WP8 will come out, and Nokia will inevitably introduce new Lumia's probably with higher res screens, dual core processors, maybe even a PureView camera.

Am I going to get upset about it? No. It's just a phone. It's REALLY not worth getting upset about. Am I going to freak out and go buy a new Lumia 29000 HD off contract for $699 because I gotta have it? No. I'm saving up for a trip to India. I'm going to play golf. I'm going to go snorkeling. Because life goes on. It's just a phone. Someday I'll be dead and as my life is flashing before my eyes, I don't think the foremost thought in my mind is going to be how mad I was that I couldn't upgrade my stupid smartphone to WP8.

I just found out I'm getting an awesome new Start screen that will fit more stuff so I don't have to scroll so much. Plus I'm probably going to get some other cool stuff and minor improvements I don't even know about yet.

That sounds good to me. :)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get back to living.
 
And here's a similarity -

Just like your iPad from April 2010 probably still worked fine in April 2012, your Lumia 900 in April of 2014 will probably still work fine as well.

You're right. You know what, I've got a Nokia 8210 somewhere, and it'll probably still work in 2014 too.
 
After thinking about this for a bit and reading the comments...i think we all just need to calm down a bit. I bought a L900 in April...if the 7.8 upgrade is good for some new features I'll be cool with that. The App situation is taking some time for me to get my mind around....but most of the Apps that are used by anyone on any platform already exist. I said MOST not ALL. As much as I was a bit disappointed I don't get full Apollo...I'm more bummed that I didn't wait 6months.
Here's to hoping my Lumia fetches a pretty penny on CL in Oct...or better yet...my BDay is OCT! Praying for a Pureview WP8 by then!!!!!
 
You're right. You know what, I've got a Nokia 8210 somewhere, and it'll probably still work in 2014 too.

And in 2014 you will probably still be here crapping your negativity all over this forum and contributing nothing and the reason why will be just as mysterious to all of us.
 
Microsoft Should really release The 7.8 update now... or next month or so... Because come this fall everbody is gonna want WP8... Just saying they should release it now so everyone that is using WP7.5 will not be so Cranky about not getting WP8 on there current Phone...
 
This is all so reminiscent of wm6.5 to wm7. Apologize all you want. Microsoft loves to force you into new hardware, just like they almost always have.

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Seriously? You don't know why people would invest in the windows 8 platform? Windows 8 that will be on desktops, laptops, ultrabooks, tablets, and phones? And most Windows Phone 8 apps will run on 7.x if the developer writes them that way.

That is incorrect. No windows phone 8 app will run on windows phone 7. the developer either has to write it as a windows phone 7 app (which will also run on wp8) or release two versions of the app, one for 7 and another for 8.
 
This is all so reminiscent of wm6.5 to wm7. Apologize all you want. Microsoft loves to force you into new hardware, just like they almost always have.

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Yep, they screwed you over from wm6.5 to wm7, now wm7 to wm8. Maybe that's the pattern that MS wants to stick with.
 
Nowhere. The comparison is pretty obvious though.

I wasn't trying to compare it to the Lumia 900 though. My point was that everyone kept bringing up the 3GS and making it sound like Apple is great because they support all their products forever and ever, except the iPad isn't getting iOS 6.

Either way, I think it's Microsoft's fault they're in this situation. But to be honest, I'm not sure what else they could have done.

You're right. You know what, I've got a Nokia 8210 somewhere, and it'll probably still work in 2014 too.

Of course! It's a Nokia, those things are built like a tank!
 
After thinking about this for a bit and reading the comments...i think we all just need to calm down a bit. I bought a L900 in April...if the 7.8 upgrade is good for some new features I'll be cool with that. The App situation is taking some time for me to get my mind around....but most of the Apps that are used by anyone on any platform already exist. I said MOST not ALL. As much as I was a bit disappointed I don't get full Apollo...I'm more bummed that I didn't wait 6months.
Here's to hoping my Lumia fetches a pretty penny on CL in Oct...or better yet...my BDay is OCT! Praying for a Pureview WP8 by then!!!!!

There are millions of phones out there running WP7 right now.

There are zero running WP8.

Do you really think developers are all going to start making WP8 only versions of their software anytime soon?

Even if Nokia introduces a WP8 Lumia the thickness of a piece of paper that has 20 hours of talk time and cooks you breakfast and Windows Phone sales quadruple over night, it will STILL take more than a year before there are a significant number of WP8 phones out there.

So what would you do if you were a developer? Try to reach as many of the people in the small Windows Phone market as you can? Or start preparing to release an app that will only work on the newest version of Windows Phone which will have 3% of 3% of the smartphone market?

Again. There is no "app issue" and their won't be for a least a year. The only people who need to be concerned about this are the freaks who keep their cell phone for 5 years and anyone that cheap isn't likely to shell out $2-4 on an app anyway.
 
Microsoft just ****ed me up Big Time

I really regret the day I switched to WP. What's up with all these platform instability since WM 6.5? Why do they keep on changing stuff that worries poor consumers. A lot of people really need to be sacked from MS for making stupid decisions.
I really don't care about the stupid looks they announced.....all I care about is being supported.

Microsoft has confirmed that WP8 apps WILL NOT RUN in WP7.x. How many developers do you really think are going to design for WP7 now? To tell y'all the truth, there will be no support for WP7.x when WP8 comes out. I need support for apps not stupid looks.
Currently we (WP7.x) users are still fighting and praying for apps to come out, now with the announcement of this, I guess all ideas will be dropped and shifted to WP8...WTF! Is this some sort of Marketing strategy or what? Why didn't they decide all this kernel change before releasing WP7? We would have all be able to upgrade peacefully. With this I really think they'll change the kernel again when WP9 comes out and the cycle continues again.....why Microsoft? Are you guys some college and high school dudes with no PhD holders amongst you? Thus accounting for the stupid decisions you make to hurt our feelings and steal our money. I don't buy phones cheap because phones here are not carrier based and on contract....they are all unbranded and ****ing expensive. When will I ever get a WP8 device? My current phone is less than 14months old and you really wanna make me buy a ****ing expensive phone again or still use my device like a Symbian phone? This is just stupid.

I now understand and know that using a WP7.x was really a beta test.
I'm really pissed and just gonna throw my Stupid WP away and even switch. What's up with all these stupid changes and instability with the platform....****ers! :@
 
Geez. Just go get an iPhone or Android already.

Nobody screwed anyone over.

Products evolve.

Welcome to the world of technology.

I can somewhat understand some people feeling disappointed. But when they said that they got "screwed over", that's just pretty lame. It's as if nobody has any sense of personal responsibility in the decisions they make when they purchase something. Someone else always owes them more than what they paid for.
 
I really regret the day I switched to WP. What's up with all these platform instability since WM 6.5? Why do they keep on changing stuff that worries poor consumers. A lot of people really need to be sacked from MS for making stupid decisions.
I really don't care about the stupid looks they announced.....all I care about is being supported.

Microsoft has confirmed that WP8 apps WILL NOT RUN in WP7.x. How many developers do you really think are going to design for WP7 now? To tell y'all the truth, there will be no support for WP7.x when WP8 comes out. I need support for apps not stupid looks.
Currently we (WP7.x) users are still fighting and praying for apps to come out, now with the announcement of this, I guess all ideas will be dropped and shifted to WP8...WTF! Is this some sort of Marketing strategy or what? Why didn't they decide all this kernel change before releasing WP7? We would have all be able to upgrade peacefully. With this I really think they'll change the kernel again when WP9 comes out and the cycle continues again.....why Microsoft? Are you guys some college and high school dudes with no PhD holders amongst you? Thus accounting for the stupid decisions you make to hurt our feelings and steal our money. I don't buy phones cheap because phones here are not carrier based and on contract....they are all unbranded and ****ing expensive. When will I ever get a WP8 device? My current phone is less than 14months old and you really wanna make me buy a ****ing expensive phone again or still use my device like a Symbian phone? This is just stupid.

I now understand and know that using a WP7.x was really a beta test.
I'm really pissed and just gonna throw my Stupid WP away and even switch. What's up with all these stupid changes and instability with the platform. :@
Don't overreact - developers will still write apps for 7.x unless they absoutely have to write for 8. A million potential users is a lot more than zero.

Your phone is still the great piece of hardware and software that it was before this announcement. It will still be supported. Nothing has changed.
 
I think you should cry a little more. Seriously you have beef with adjustable start screen because of an arrow icon. I'm sure in your billiance you will create an app that will put it back...when you do share it with us...please. And as far as stoping phone sales until WP8 is released, I don't think the average person has a clue. Nor do they care. If I ask my folks why they bought the iPhone...upgradeability is not mentioned. At least 50% of consumers dont know the difference. I don't imaging sales will drop to much.

Last thing. If you really are this fickle, you were never destined to stay with the brand anyway. But go ahead, purchase an android or iphone so you can watch over someones shoulder on a bus in January as they are playing some 3D XBOX live game on their Nokia Lumia PV as your phone stutters(lags) the word DROID!!!!

Good day
 
This is all so reminiscent of wm6.5 to wm7. Apologize all you want. Microsoft loves to force you into new hardware, just like they almost always have.

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If you can't afford to buy a new smartphone at the end of your contract, then you probably can't afford your cell phone plan either.

Get over it.

1/2 the reason the Windows desktop OS sucked so much for so long is because of the relentless demand for endless backwards compatibility stifling any progress.

Microsoft doesn't SELL smartphones. They could care less if you buy new hardware. They are trying to make the OS as good as they can so they can climb out of 3% marketshare.

Doing that means sometimes some people get hurt, and honestly the best customers are the ones who adopt new technology, not the ones who buy a WM 6.5 phone and use it for 8 years and then demand that it upgrade seamlessly to WP8.

Get over it. The break has to occur somewhere. I have a Lumia 900 too, but you don't see me flipping out like Microsoft and Nokia pulled a prank on me. It's business. I understand that. I got what I paid for. I love my phone. No matter what comes out in the next 2 years, it won't change what I like about my phone. I bought my phone because of what it is, not what it might be in 2 years after 3 more OS updates.

It's a freakin $99 phone that many of us, myself included, got for FREE.
 
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That is incorrect. No windows phone 8 app will run on windows phone 7. the developer either has to write it as a windows phone 7 app (which will also run on wp8) or release two versions of the app, one for 7 and another for 8.

That's only because by the very definition that is being used to describe something as a WP7 is that only runs on WP8 and above.

When you use that as the very definition, then it's pretty misleading because there would be a lot of apps that are made that run fine on WP7.8. But those will be labeled as WP7 apps. Only by NOT running on WP7.x can something be defined as a WP8 app.
 
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