Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

[HeyCori]

There is no hardware limitation preventing WP8 from running on the 2nd Gen WP7 devices....

*mind blown*

So many places to start with that that I just won't.

 

[rockstarzzz]

Come on, of course MS could make a backup/restore solution for an upgrade to WP8, that not the problem at all. Nokia has done it with Symbian many times, OEMs have done it with Android. MS has done it with Windows on PC.

Talking about PCs, compare it with a computer. I am not really into specs and hardware, so lets say I buy one of the most expensive PCs. At the time it has the new Win 8 and I install applications like Photoshop CS6 etc.

6 months later Win 9 is released, which for some reason will not be compatible with my new PC. 1 year later Photoshop CS7 is released only to Win 8 because it uses new functions in the OS.

Wouldnt you be upset if you bought on of the most expensive computers and just after some months it will be phased out?

Just as I have expectations when I buy a powerfull PC that it will be able to take advantage of new software for at least a couple of years, I had the same expectations for the HTC Titan.

To be honest, I didnt even know there was something called Windows Phone 8 or Apollo in the works when I bought it. I didnt know the hardware in the phone was obsolete even when it was released.

And its not about specs or version numbers anyway. Its about buying the best WP phone with hardware and software with big potential that will loose support way to fast.

To say it again, if you buy an iPhone or an Android flagship, you CAN feel safe that it will be supported for at least 18 months and that it will not be thrown out of the eco-system just months after it was released.

Before buying the Titan all I heard was how MS support would be even better than this, there would be no fragmentation and the WP phones would have longer lives because of its unified OS.

So I dont agree with you at all.

Buying a smartphone today is much more then settle with what I found in the box. It is about being a part of an growing and living eco-system.

As with the computer, I bought an 900 USD WP7.5 phone to jump on the WP train and go with it and enjoy the development of the OS for a couple of years. Now I will be thrown off just after some months.

I got my Titan - Nov 2011.
WP8 will be announced to consumers probably around Oct 2012.
WP8 handsets will be launched say Nov 2012.
WP8 handsets will ship say Dec 2012.

Now *if* a parallel WP7.8 update is scheduled I would expect my Titan to be on WP7.8 within the same time frame. This makes MS support to my device for 13 months (?).
Now I am presuming app support from devs won't die all of a sudden. So I still have 100,000 apps that I have today to say the least. Hypothetically if devs are going to make WP7.x apps (that are compatible with WP8) as I highlighted in earlier post, for at least 6 more months - that will make my phone survive with new apps and features for at least 19 months. However, I am extremely positive knowing how easy it is to go from WP7.8 to WP8 app development. I think we will have apps till nearly the time for release of WP8.5! Doubt if I am wrong on this.

 

[naplesbill]

Go for it. Microsoft admitted that the current devices being sold were capable of running WP8. This is not a fantasy. It wouldn't obviously support all features but would be perfectly capable of running the kernel, and thus most WP8 apps. They didn't want to allocate resources to make this happen.

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[Old_Cus]

This thread has grown to 24 pages? You got to be frickin kidding me! All you posters whining about how MS has done you wrong sounds like you just found out your girlfriend/wife has been banging your best friend……GROW A PAIR! It’s a phone for God stake. You’re feeling lied to, betrayed, screwed, used, fooled, taken for granted, abandoned….**** you all sound like you were about to marry your phones.

Be a man (my apologies to the female posters). If you feel that strong about it do something besides whine. Drink a beer and get drunk, hit a wall, go get laid….trust me when you’re done your phone will still work tomorrow and the next day and the next day.

I like my Lumia 900 today just like I did yesterday before the sky fell and I’m going to like it until I decide I don’t then I will replace it. Until that day I’m going to enjoy the **** out of it and shake my head to all of you that are acting like you just lost your best friend. Matter of fact I think I’ll call my girlfriend for a bootycall, I don’t need an app for that.

PS….those of you who take my advice to get laid please don’t whine about “they don’t care about my needs and they won’t support me…sniff,sniff” You might get kicked out of bed.

 

[canesfan625]

*mind blown*

So many places to start with that that I just won't.

It doesn't matter about the hardware 'limitations'. It probably came down to OEMs refusing to rewrite drivers for the new kernel.

 

[petersun21]

start from one or two if you have one

*mind blown*

So many places to start with that that I just won't.

Name one or two if you know one or two

 

[canesfan625]

I've been thinking about the Apps issue. It should be a non issue. The difference between a WP8 app and it working on 7.8 is a trivial port through just changing API calls

 

[mb-dape]

It doesn't matter about the hardware 'limitations'. It probably came down to OEMs refusing to rewrite drivers for the new kernel.

Tell me ONE reason why Nokia in the crisis the company is in right now would "refuse" this? Why would the refuse to let their Lumia 900 and 800 be future proof and continue to sell well until or even after WP8 will be released? Why would they refuse to make their customers happy and loyal? Techies who wants the latest hardware would upgrade to a WP8 anyway.

 

[dkp23]

I want my thread to reach 1000 posts! gogogog

Anyway, im sure everybody is discussing every point to death and saying it in different ways and debating in different ways, but essentially arguing the same thing. This will go on FOREVER!

 

[dkp23]

There is no hardware limitation preventing WP8 from running on the 2nd Gen WP7 devices. Even MS admitted that they just didn't want to waste resources on creating that upgrade path. WP7.8 is just a result of MS throwing a bone. A paltry one at that.

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I'd like to see or read this admission, unless you are just implying that based on what they said and spinning it your way.

 

[Flagz]

Ok people, your all just being completely blinded by some numbers. 7.8 Your windows phone and the experience is not changing WinRT, and .NET are similar in many ways. DEVELOPERS WILL STILL MAKE APPS. They may not make the apps in abundance, but they will make quality, useful apps. Also, the start screen is not the only screen your getting! We're most likely getting performance updates, along with some missing features that will be ported from the new WP8. If Microsoft said (Like Apple Does) your getting WP8 ON ALL LEGACY DEVICES, with some missing features, I guarantee 1/2 of the people complaining would stop. Your blowing it up, but really it's all they could do to keep current gen hardware working SMOOTHLY, and in the end, isn't that all you wanted?

Microsoft will try and improve n what you just felt was a blow to your OS, they will keep WP8 updated for 18 months at LEAST on new devices, let a company try and learn from mistakes.

If you wanna go bury yourself in Apple, go ahead, I'm looking out through the Windows. It's looking pretty damn good.

 

[dkp23]

Ok people, your all just being completely blinded by some numbers. 7.8 Your windows phone and the experience is not changing WinRT, and .NET are similar in many ways. DEVELOPERS WILL STILL MAKE APPS. They may not make the apps in abundance, but they will make quality, useful apps. Also, the start screen is not the only screen your getting! We're most likely getting performance updates, along with some missing features that will be ported from the new WP8. If Microsoft said (Like Apple Does) your getting WP8 ON ALL LEGACY DEVICES, with some missing features, I guarantee 1/2 of the people complaining would stop. Your blowing it up, but really it's all they could do to keep current gen hardware working SMOOTHLY, and in the end, isn't that all you wanted?

Microsoft will try and improve n what you just felt was a blow to your OS, they will keep WP8 updated for 18 months at LEAST on new devices, let a company try and learn from mistakes.

If you wanna go bury yourself in Apple, go ahead, I'm looking out through the Windows. It's looking pretty damn good.

Just give me Screenshot, all will be forgiven!

 

[Kredrian]

How is it useless all of a sudden? It's not like all WP7 phones will quit working tomorrow.

Its because the sky is falling, dontcha know? Its funny cause a guy that lives in the apartment across from me has some old Android phone and I gave him my old Focus S about a week ago and he loves it so much. It realy made me think that it didn't matter if I got the update or not, there is nothing wrong with the phones now, some people that are just hurt cause they won't have it I guess.

I am happy if I turn my phone on and it works and I can make calls, and plus the Lumia still is an awesome phone

 

[Kredrian]

I want my thread to reach 1000 posts! gogogog

Anyway, im sure everybody is discussing every point to death and saying it in different ways and debating in different ways, but essentially arguing the same thing. This will go on FOREVER!

Well, maybe not forever, at least until everyone is eligible for an upgrade

 

[mprice86]

Posted this link in another thread about this (how many are there now!?):

New Nokia apps & Zynga games to make your Lumia even better – Nokia Conversations : the official Nokia blog

From the link:

"Elsewhere, you may have read about the new Windows Phone 8. How does this affect your Lumia? Well, you are not being left out. All Lumia smartphones will be getting an update to give you some of the features of Windows Phone 8, including the new Start screen, as well as a pattern of ongoing updates going forward."

So there, not just the start screen.

In (yet) another thread, there was mention of there being future conferences to talk about/show off the new features of WP8; i.e. the ones aimed at consumers rather than the developers. I think it's fair to assume that we'll hear more about what'll be included in 7.8 then.

In the mean time could people please stop ****ting their pants over this? By the sounds of things "legacy" devices are getting WP8 in everything but name so it'd be awesome if people could put on some big boy pants and get on with enjoying their phones.

 

[naplesbill]

Here is one example of MS admitting they COULD have brought WP8 to current devices.

"When you pull that Lumia out of your pocket after you?ve received that 7.8 update, it will look and feel the same as a Windows Phone 8 device,? claims Sullivan. ?Because you don?t have a multicore chip and don?t have some of these other elements, it didn?t make sense for us to make those investments for devices that couldn?t really exploit them.?

This came from a Verge article. There was at least one other that I will try to find when I get home from the airport.

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[Old_Cus]

Well, maybe not forever, at least until everyone is eligible for an upgrade

I thought suggesting getting laid was a good idea, maybe some of these people might calm down.

 

[petersun21]

Keep this thread going

If you do not like what MS is doing, keep this thread going!!!!

 

[sdreamer]

Here is one example of MS admitting they COULD have brought WP8 to current devices.

"When you pull that Lumia out of your pocket after you?ve received that 7.8 update, it will look and feel the same as a Windows Phone 8 device,? claims Sullivan. ?Because you don?t have a multicore chip and don?t have some of these other elements, it didn?t make sense for us to make those investments for devices that couldn?t really exploit them.?

This came from a Verge article. There was at least one other that I will try to find when I get home from the airport.

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Have to agree with the hardware aspect limitation that MSFT is telling us is just not right. One of the advantages they stressed of using the WinRT kernel is the scaling, it can scale up and down. Ok, so how far down does it have to scale? Low enough to keep phones cheap so Nokia can take over the cheap smartphone segment, as evidenced by the inclusion of a more traditional MicroSD support; why can't this also be extended to CPUs? I'd assume a single core CPU is much cheaper than say one of the latest multicore chips, and yet they use the excuse of previous devices not having multicore chips. This argument goes again what they said about scaling down and the scaling down aspect goes against their own argument of why we can't have Win8.
What gets me about hardware requirements is what they did with Tango. They lowered the system requirements, knew what kind of implications this would do to the current ecosystem, fragmenting the Marketplace, but still did it so they could have cheaper Window Phones out there. Again, going back to the scaling down aspect, how are they going to make cheap phones if apparently the lowest they can go is actually a higher set of hardware than the current hardware because they can't give current users WP8?
It's pretty obvious it is not hardware because they have pretty strong plans on making cheap Window Phones so they can saturate the cheaper market, hence why they kep the WVGA resolution and included a more traditional MicroSD support to allow OEMs to spend less on internal flash memory.
So to summarize, to make cheap phones, they need cheaper, lower end hardware, apparently cheaper than the current hardware out now according to the Tango update, but their argument is our hardware is not multicore so we can't get WP8, but they still want to make cheap phones because the WinRT kernel is scalable both up and down, being downwards scaling allows the use of cheaper, lower end hardware. Where that doesn't make sense is that hardware is cheaper than most current gen phones, but they say they can't give us WP8. I know I've repeated it a couple times, but it's really confusing what Microsoft is trying to do.

 

[12Danny123]

Just give me Screenshot, all will be forgiven!

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