Lumia 1030: what to expect?

[Beijendorf]

3 GB of RAM is also unlikely considering the size of the device you're mentioning. Even the GS5 has 2 GB.

There is not really a point of 3GB of RAM on Windows Phone as the OS does a pretty good job of handling apps in memory even on phones with 1GB of RAM.

I think whether it comes with 2 or 3 GB of RAM depends on how much extra memory is needed to keep the 3D touch and imaging technology running smoothly. It may very well need 3 GB, or it may simply come with 2 GB because the 3D touch and imaging technology turns out to be more processor than memory.

However if a 1030 successor were to be launched I would imagine it would sport a Snapdragon 805 processor as it can support upto 55 Megapixel photos.

However if Nokia/Microsoft opts for a Snapdragon 801 then they will have to work with Snapdragon to optimize Snapdragon 801 for the 41 Megapixel camera.

Tom Warren already hinted back in June that the 1020 successor would come with less than a 41 MP sensor. Neowin recently came out with a rumour that it's in fact coming with a 20 MP sensor. So which SoC it comes with seems to be more determined by how much computing power is needed for the 3D touch and any possible new imaging technology rather than the sensor resolution. If it comes with a Pelican Imaging plenoptic camera it'll need all the computing power it can get, dual sensors would need less power than the PiCam and a normal single 20 MP sensor could get away with last years SoC and still be quick.

 

[psudotechzealot]

Pics or release date?

 

[bijak_riyandi]

haven't seen any pic leaks for McLaren that'll be released in the last quarter of this year (cmiiw)

 

[Skunkwurx]

Tom may know what he's talking about but I for one do not think the Mc is the 1030... looking back through articles this rumour of the Mc being the 1030 first came up in comments on articles that didn't mention its predecessor and then some articles mentioned that it could be a new flagship or 1020 successor... Tom is the first reputable person that's stated that... If the tech is as new/game changing/good and has new OS features its 100% "940" or 935 or 939... From the way Microsoft have acted the last 2, 3 years, "listening" to their customers, especially the niche stuff there is no way a 1030 is anything but a 41 and up sensor... That phone has a crazy fan base with universities and labs that are finding mad uses for it and its sensor BECAUSE or its small size with monster sensor. It can do things an DSLR physically can't do because of size... Microscopes being one example... its too good to not make better....

 

[jpal12]

I doubt it will be the same, since the lumia icon was originally going to be released last September, and the 930 is an almost exact copy of the icon. Nokia would not copy the hardware of a year old phone.

 

[salmanahmad]

I believe that if a 1030 were to be released they would probably need to compromise somewhere, such as maybe the display or processor or else the device would be too expensive.
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[Beijendorf]

I believe that if a 1030 were to be released they would probably need to compromise somewhere, such as maybe the display or processor or else the device would be too expensive.

Newer technology isn't necessarily more expensive. For example, the Pelican Imaging camera module costs about 30 % of a legacy camera module. The camera module is usually one of the more expensive components in a smartphone, so that's a large saving right there. I'm certain similar cost-effective technology could be adopted that doesn't compromise on quality to the end-user.

 

[salmanahmad]

Newer technology isn't necessarily more expensive. For example, the Pelican Imaging camera module costs about 30 % of a legacy camera module. The camera module is usually one of the more expensive components in a smartphone, so that's a large saving right there. I'm certain similar cost-effective technology could be adopted that doesn't compromise on quality to the end-user.

Do you know why the 808 Pureview came out with an outdated processor and software? Because it took Nokia experts nearly 5 years to put such a high res camera sensor on a phone and they had to make compromises somewhere.

Similarly when the 1020 launched its specifications were already outdated, the screen was also less sharp and lower resolution compared to competitors however the camera was amazing.

Pretty sure in the 1030 they are aiming for flagships specs however they might have to sacrifice something, most likely the display.

However a 720p display is good for me and I don't see a huge difference between 1080p and 720p, plus if 1030 comes out with Snapdragon 800 + 720p display it is absolutely gonna be blazing fast im everything.

 

[Beijendorf]

Do you know why the 808 Pureview came out with an outdated processor and software? Because it took Nokia experts nearly 5 years to put such a high res camera sensor on a phone and they had to make compromises somewhere.

I don't feel like they skimped on the Nokia 808 PureView considering it came with a great screen, dual processors and the latest iteration of Symbian OS. Regardless, the Nokia 808 PureView wasn't a full-on release and wasn't intended as a flagship device.
Nokia spends a lot of resources on research and development, so the "5 years of research" wasn't just for the Nokia 808. It seemed more like a market-testing device meant to give Nokia publicity.

Similarly when the 1020 launched its specifications were already outdated, the screen was also less sharp and lower resolution compared to competitors however the camera was amazing.

1) Nokia got its mobile phone revenue primarily from selling devices. Microsoft gets its revenue primarily from its software and services. Microsoft wants those services to reach a broader audience, and can therefore do like Google and sell the devices (i.e. Nexus) at a smaller profit margin just to have people invest in their ecosystem.

2) The Lumia 1020 camera module costs more than twice that of a "normal" camera module, and is difficult to produce in large quantities. If the McLaren uses a Pelican Imaging camera module, it would cost 30 % that of a normal camera module (i.e. 16 % that of the 1020 module). If they use specialised sensors and lenses, they may come up to the price of a normal legacy module. The main point is; the costly hardware on the Lumia 1020 could become a non-issue on a new camera flagship if they implement cost-effective technology.

3) Additionally, you'd have to explain why the Nokia Lumia 930 came with an outdated processor and less advanced screen compared to its predecessors. I think a lot of the problems with Nokia is the bloated organisation leading to slow releases. Microsoft could very well solve this with the recent lay-offs and focus on an increased release pace.

So I say it again, there doesn't have to be compromises.

 

[wuiyang]

maybe a 50MP phone (if possible), since 1020 can capture 8K picture, i think it should be able to record 8K @ 15 ~25 fps (very low due to large amount of pixels), and SD card please, 4K is about 8.3MP, and 8K is ~36MP = 5MB each picture, should have SD card slot for it like 1520

video 8K for a second took about 75MB (15FPS) to 125MB (25FPS), it will become 1GB when you recorded for about 8sec(25FPS) to 13.5sec(15FPS), a minute video will become 4.5GB(15FPS) to 7.5GB(25FPS), so if 8K video recording is allowed, it should be able to have SD card slot

P.S.: nokia might be the first 8K recording phone camera
P.P.S.:it need faster CPU to record 8K
P.P.P.S.: maybe they will just use GPU to process it
P.P.P.P.S.: so much P.S-es, and maybe it will able to use both of it, of course it will take up loads of battery...

 

[bijak_riyandi]

I'm not sure that this megapixel war would extend further than 41 MP anytime soon...
so for me, 50 MP sensor (not 50 MP image from several stitched 13 MP pictures which is what the Oppo Find 7 does) is unlikely

8K video?
damn, even 4K is way overkill for a mobile phone
AFAIK, there is no 8K screen used in the world at this moment

the camera tech possibilities have been discussed thoroughly in this thread...
as for me now, I would prefer a 41 MP with a 1" sensor, an even more advanced OIS, ZEISS lens or Canon Liquid Lens, and adjustable aperture
for the processing part, I'd prefer Qualcomm Snapdragon 805, 2 GB RAM, and a fast 64 GB internal memory (expandable or not, I don't really care)

 

[AndyM72]

One thing that needs sorting from the 1020 is the shot to shot time. I'm sure that was caused by the bandwidth of the flash memory controller.

So if they could sort that, probably with a multichannel controller with the Flash memory in banks, that would be good.

Otherwise, a Lumia 930, with the 1020 camera model surgically implanted, and 64GB of Flash would do me. If the 1525 is getting a Snapdragon 801, I'd expect the 1030 hardware to be based on that.

 

[salmanahmad]

Otherwise, a Lumia 930, with the 1020 camera model surgically implanted, and 64GB of Flash would do me. If the 1525 is getting a Snapdragon 801, I'd expect the 1030 hardware to be based on that.

Snapdragon 801 would still not really insure a smooth 41 Megapixel camera experience because the total amount of megapixels an 801 can handle is around 21 Megapixels.

A Snapdragon 805 or above support 55 Megapixel sensors so if Nokia/Microsoft comes out when a 1020 successor it would fly with a Snapdragon 805.

 

[AndyM72]

if Nokia/Microsoft comes out when a 1020 successor it would fly with a Snapdragon 805.

The 1020 made do with a S4 Plus.

The 801 has dual signal processors, each can handle 21 megapixel images. I think they are meant to be used in series normally, both processing the same image, but there doesn't seem to be anything stopping coders using them in parallel.

So it is possible to share the work between the two signal processors and handle the same 41 MP images as the 1020 capture.

 

[JamesPTao]

A better solution might be I the works. Microsoft just signed a partnership with canon for work on their smartphones. My guess is it is too be able to use canons digic 4 processor as an offload processor to process the images I the 1020 rather than using the main processor. It would be dramatically faster and better on battery. Guess well have to wait and see.

 

[Blacklac]

The 1020 made do with a S4 Plus.

And its biggest Con is how slow it is. Frankly, I don't think we'll see a true 1020 successor until it can process photos smoothly and quickly. We may not even get a successor this year.

 

[JamesPTao]

And its biggest Con is how slow it is. Frankly, I don't think we'll see a true 1020 successor until it can process photos smoothly and quickly. We may not even get a successor this year.

No small task. Unfortunately I doubt any mobile phone processor could handle 41 mp raw photos and creating a 5 mp oversampled image well. Too much for a mobile processor. That is the compromise.

 

[JamesPTao]

Do you know why the 808 Pureview came out with an outdated processor and software? Because it took Nokia experts nearly 5 years to put such a high res camera sensor on a phone and they had to make compromises somewhere.

Similarly when the 1020 launched its specifications were already outdated, the screen was also less sharp and lower resolution compared to competitors however the camera was amazing.

Pretty sure in the 1030 they are aiming for flagships specs however they might have to sacrifice something, most likely the display.

However a 720p display is good for me and I don't see a huge difference between 1080p and 720p, plus if 1030 comes out with Snapdragon 800 + 720p display it is absolutely gonna be blazing fast im everything.

The 808 pureview took so long because it was a pet project not to be released until they were 100% satisfied with it. The designer literally tool a piece of wood with the general shape of the phone and carried it daily with him. He would shave little bits off until the form factor was perfect I his eyes. To discount that phone is ridiculous. The camera alone was 8 years ahead of its time.

 

[smoledman]

Why have a flagship camera-oriented device that doesn't have a super-slo mode(120fps capture) that the iPhone has?

 

[salmanahmad]

The 1020 made do with a S4 Plus.

The 801 has dual signal processors, each can handle 21 megapixel images. I think they are meant to be used in series normally, both processing the same image, but there doesn't seem to be anything stopping coders using them in parallel.

So it is possible to share the work between the two signal processors and handle the same 41 MP images as the 1020 capture.

Nokia had to work with Snapdragon to change the imaging stack(something like that) to make the S4 Plus work with the 41 MP sensor but even with all that S4 Plus couldn't ensure a fast shutter speed on the 1020.

It will definitely be possible to run the 41 MP sensor on Snapdragon 801 however it still won't be extremely smooth.

805 will suit it perfectly.