Lumia 920 camera is is not as good as we thought ????? How is this possible

[Reflexx]

Yeah. It does sound like a software issue with noise reduction being a little too high.

If enough people make a stink, it may be solvable through an update.

 

[Reflexx]

Ew that was just a figure of speech. Let's keep this relationship PG 13.

PG13 nowadays can be pretty frisky!!

 

[xxgatvolxx]

920
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/nokia-lumia-920-screens/lumia-920-camera-test-large.jpg

ip5
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/nokia-lumia-920-screens/lumia-920-camera-test-iphone-large.jpg


I dont care if its software or hardware. The PHOTOS from the 920 are not as good as the ip5 in daylight. Not sure what a professional can do with a point and shoot taking a picture of a landscape a few hundred yards away across a river, but I don't see how it can get rid of the noise in this photos.

Sure, if the camera software is fixed it could be better. I love how the ip5 software for its camera is likened to a crutch for inferior hardware, but Nokia's inferior software is not a big deal and will be fixed eventually to make it on par with a crappier camera from apple.

Not sure if we are looking at the same pics, but the Lumia is much clearer if you zoom in. Look at the railing on the left. The iPhone has much nicer colour, but that's surely processing as with overcast like that it should be more grey. Looks to me like Lumia = natural w more detail, and iphone 5 = more colour with less detail. I would pic the Lumia but I can definitely see the appeal for the iphone 5 style.

 

[rmichael75]

Nokia will fix minor software issues

Guys,

How many comparisions have you seen about videos and low light.. and we didnt have any day light pictures.

Nokia didnt talk about it. Nokia I believe focussed on improving low light and the making videos better. It is still 8 MP. this is the max they can do.

I am sure in Feb they will unveil the best camera phone monster.

But hey 920 have lot of other things which makes it the best windows phone 8 phone.

Again, Nokia can improve software any day.. Hardware is there in the phone.. So dont fret.

 

[rmichael75]

Did you really though you will saying the words "Well the lumia 920 camera isn't that bad"?

CNET said their phone almost dead in 4 hours.

winterfang is a 'HTC' head.. he is going to buy HTC 8X. let us wait till he buys a 8X and then see if he is a happy camper or grumpy one. You buy a phone.. it cannot be the best. It keeps on improving. Next year phones will be better than this year..

Just be happy with what Nokia has achieved so far..

There is so much buzz mainly because of Nokia.. so be happy and enjoy.

Again, i dont see HTC doing anything to get pple to do apps. Nokia is doing a lot more. So instead of saying thank you, all you can do is grumble.

I would like to get your review of 8X once you buy it.

 

[srmiller82]

Still don't see how you can say a phones takes better pics that gets pointed anywhere near bright light and turns purple, not only does it ruin the pic its not even as good as any other phone that doesn't have a purple tint, don't be ridiculous they will update software until then it will still take daytime pics without purple tint which makes it a better pic than iPhone. Oh and video still way better than iPhone night or day.

 

[ColeHarris]

Wow you people are already complaining about the camera before the phone is even really out yet? Seriously? We've had like maybe 4 or 5 people post pictures so far and all the sudden the 920 has an inferior camera and bla bla bla and Nokia are liars yada yada.

Heres a fact for ya, great cameras can take crap photos and crap cameras can take great photos, there are a lot of variables to take into consideration when evaluating the quality of a photo and until we get some legitimate tests under proper scientific circumstances its impossible to say one way or the other if the 920 has a good camera. From what I've seen at least it looks light there are quite a few settings to play with in the camera app on WP8 and changing some settings up could make a huge difference in image quality especially in regards to sharpness or the lack thereof which is often the result of a low shutter speed or high iso setting.

Either way its important that we don't jump to conclusions until we know more, it won't be long now before the NDA is up and we start seeing some reviews. Just this morning I read a tweet from Vlad Savov which seemed to indicate that the camera was excellent so I have a feeling that we're not going to be disappointed. Just stay cool everybody!

 

[Corday108]

Not sure if we are looking at the same pics, but the Lumia is much clearer if you zoom in. Look at the railing on the left. The iPhone has much nicer colour, but that's surely processing as with overcast like that it should be more grey. Looks to me like Lumia = natural w more detail, and iphone 5 = more colour with less detail. I would pic the Lumia but I can definitely see the appeal for the iphone 5 style.

I think you have the pictures mixed up. The iPhone photo is the sharper and less vibrant photo, the Lumia photo is richer but less detailed.

 

[vlad0]

Heres a fact for ya, great cameras can take crap photos and crap cameras can take great photos,

True, but your opportunity window for taking a better photograph is higher with a good camera that has a more forgiving "auto" mode and so on... like I said, I think that the 920 would be fine, but the quality is average, and way short of Nokia's best work.

AnandTech, GSMArena (I'm sure they'll do a nice camera comparison)

I would take those two over any of the "major" blogs... those two are legit

N8 and I use it as my "point-and-shot" while my DSLR is my main camera, and that symbian phone makes a good job, but it's SO is dead...

The N8 has a bigger sensor, better jpeg processing (it seems), and probably better optics.

The essential part is that the N8 shoots @ 1.75 microns/pixel , the 920 is @ the "standard" 1.4 microns.. in fact, there is no other smartphone currently on sale that uses bigger pixels than the Nokia N8. Things are getting crazy lately.. those new 13Mpix sensors are dipping down to 1.1 micron pixels, just for the sake of the "megapixel" war.. its silly.

As soon as they published the white paper on the 920, I felt like it won't be very good... I just couldn't see how OIS would help with the quality, Yes.. it helps out by giving the opportunity to keep the shutter open for longer, but what do we do with all the noise that pours in with it ? The sensor simply can't accommodate for that, not at 1/3"

Here is the white paper on the 920: http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf

The 808 .. that is a whole different story, Nokia solved a bunch of issues which have been a problem in the p&s imaging industry for years in a very elegant way, and on top of that they put the whole thing in a proper smartphone.

Here is the white paper on PureView PRO which is used in the 808.. its very informative: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?s7rlaa88o263oz2

I really hope they can properly port it to Windows NT one day.. hopefully soon.

 

[DaveGx]

Now it makes sense. It sure seemed like a lot of night shots were shown off over the past month or so, but I hardly recall any day shots.

I really wanted the 920, partially for the much hyped camera. If it's not going to live up to the hype then I won't feel so bad that it's only on ATT

 

[Xsever]

More pics and details here: http://forums.windowscentral.com/showthread.php?t=200158

 

[rareohs]

Wow you people are already complaining about the camera before the phone is even really out yet? Seriously? We've had like maybe 4 or 5 people post pictures so far and all the sudden the 920 has an inferior camera and bla bla bla and Nokia are liars yada yada.

Heres a fact for ya, great cameras can take crap photos and crap cameras can take great photos, there are a lot of variables to take into consideration when evaluating the quality of a photo and until we get some legitimate tests under proper scientific circumstances its impossible to say one way or the other if the 920 has a good camera. From what I've seen at least it looks light there are quite a few settings to play with in the camera app on WP8 and changing some settings up could make a huge difference in image quality especially in regards to sharpness or the lack thereof which is often the result of a low shutter speed or high iso setting.

Either way its important that we don't jump to conclusions until we know more, it won't be long now before the NDA is up and we start seeing some reviews. Just this morning I read a tweet from Vlad Savov which seemed to indicate that the camera was excellent so I have a feeling that we're not going to be disappointed. Just stay cool everybody!

Jesus H. Eff Me for reading every last post of this inane thread, and I can't believe it took until the almost-last post, but finally some sanity.

Well said. Ansel Adams with a piece of crap 25 cent dimestore camera could slay any one of us with a $10,000 rig.

Let's just wait until the phone is actually out, eh?

 

[sgorveatt]

Fixed apperature

I was wondering if the apperature is fixed at f/2.0? If it is, that would explain why focus appears to be such a small area. It's called depth of field and a small apperature number is great for creating that blurred background effect but not great for landscape shots.

 

[Braumin]

920
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/nokia-lumia-920-screens/lumia-920-camera-test-large.jpg

ip5
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/nokia-lumia-920-screens/lumia-920-camera-test-iphone-large.jpg


I dont care if its software or hardware. The PHOTOS from the 920 are not as good as the ip5 in daylight. Not sure what a professional can do with a point and shoot taking a picture of a landscape a few hundred yards away across a river, but I don't see how it can get rid of the noise in this photos.

Sure, if the camera software is fixed it could be better. I love how the ip5 software for its camera is likened to a crutch for inferior hardware, but Nokia's inferior software is not a big deal and will be fixed eventually to make it on par with a crappier camera from apple.

This is all a bit fishy. Looking at those photos, they are not full res. They've been down sampled at the very least. The Lumia shot is only 2MP (and widescreen) and the iPhone is 1.5MP. Who did the compression? Were they just shot at low res? Something is up here and I agree with others. I'll wait for some legit reviews before I decide on what phone I am going to buy.

 

[imanolsoliman]

True, but your opportunity window for taking a better photograph is higher with a good camera that has a more forgiving "auto" mode and so on... like I said, I think that the 920 would be fine, but the quality is average, and way short of Nokia's best work.



I would take those two over any of the "major" blogs... those two are legit


The N8 has a bigger sensor, better jpeg processing (it seems), and probably better optics.

The essential part is that the N8 shoots @ 1.75 microns/pixel , the 920 is @ the "standard" 1.4 microns.. in fact, there is no other smartphone currently on sale that uses bigger pixels than the Nokia N8. Things are getting crazy lately.. those new 13Mpix sensors are dipping down to 1.1 micron pixels, just for the sake of the "megapixel" war.. its silly.

As soon as they published the white paper on the 920, I felt like it won't be very good... I just couldn't see how OIS would help with the quality, Yes.. it helps out by giving the opportunity to keep the shutter open for longer, but what do we do with all the noise that pours in with it ? The sensor simply can't accommodate for that, not at 1/3"

Here is the white paper on the 920: http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf

The 808 .. that is a whole different story, Nokia solved a bunch of issues which have been a problem in the p&s imaging industry for years in a very elegant way, and on top of that they put the whole thing in a proper smartphone.

Here is the white paper on PureView PRO which is used in the 808.. its very informative: Nokia808PureView_Whitepaper.pdf

I really hope they can properly port it to Windows NT one day.. hopefully soon.

I tought the sensor in the 920 had bigger pixels just as N8... I bought that phone because it's sensor and versatility, the pics just don't look as saturated as the iPhone's or Android's devices, but they had more detail and lacked that "aggressive" postprocessing... Lumia phone is the opposite... -.-
The OIS in the N8 would have improved the pictures in night mode... but with another sensor........ that's just hard... I liked the idea of taking decent indoors pics with the phone... and I was going to "switch to lumia"... now I don't know, I'm really disappointed, I didn't read the whitepaper before.
Although, I still belive that postprocessing is too aggressive with noise reduction in daylight, the pics should look at least like iPhone 5, with that level of detail....

 

[vlad0]

I tought the sensor in the 920 had bigger pixels just as N8...

They are certainly smaller than the ones in the N8 .. per the white paper I posted on last page:

"Latest generation BSI sensor with 1.4 micron pixels"

Here is how its calculated:

8Mpix (3248 x 2448). Sensor size is 1/3.0" (4,8мм х 3,6 mm).

In 1 mm. we have 1000 microns.

4,8 х 1000 = 4800 microns across

4800 / 3248 = 1,477** microns per pixels.

Although, I still belive that postprocessing is too aggressive with noise reduction in daylight, the pics should look at least like iPhone 5, with that level of detail....

Right, .. I am going to guess that the aggressive noise reductions is because of their effort to keep the noise down in low light, where you wouldn't expect good detail anyway, but the problem is that it doesn't "turn off" when you are shooting in daylight.. that is my guess.

Either way, the problem of the small pixels/sensor size remains, and there is nothing they can do about in terms of software processing.. Apple got the maximum out of it I think, but still.. the difference is negligible.

Now it makes sense. It sure seemed like a lot of night shots were shown off over the past month or so, but I hardly recall any day shots.

Yup.. I don't know if you remember, but all the marketing leading up the 808's launch was actually done with the phone itself, and they were showing off all kinds of pictures with the phone.. very confident approach, and the product delivered exactly what they promised.

With the 920 we got a few shots taken with a DSLR, and bunch of resized night shots.. If they were that confident in the quality, they would have done the same 808 style campaign for the 920.

 

[VagrantWade]

So how good is the image stabilization on the iPhone 5 and 8X?

Because I am buying the 920 for the recording not the still images.

 

[vlad0]

^ pretty much non existent compared to the 920.. OIS works really well for video.

 

[VagrantWade]

^ pretty much non existent compared to the 920.. OIS works really well for video.

I like this;

Lumia 920 vs. Windows Phone 8X on Twitpic

From an editor at The Verge.

90% of my pictures are also taken in low light situations. So yay for me.

 

[vlad0]

For sure.. the 920 lets more light in and the jpeg processing takes care of some of the extra noise. Now, I don't know what balance they chose between high ISO and exposure time. Longer exposures won't work in a bar where everybody is moving, you need a fast shutter speed and a flash for a usable picture in situations like that.

I am yet to see a 920 shot in bright sunlight...all the shots are taken in less than ideal conditions, so I still can't quite get a good feel for it.