Lunar Lake delivers a faster core performance than ARM": Intel is on track to change the way you think about AI PCs

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"significant gen-on-gen improvements to Hyper-Threading promise raw performance boosts "

Are you sure about that?
Every other tech site is saying there is no hyperthreading/SMT...
 

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"significant gen-on-gen improvements to Hyper-Threading promise raw performance boosts "

Are you sure about that?
Every other tech site is saying there is no hyperthreading/SMT...

Correct, should have been worded "improvements over hyper threading." It is indeed dropped in favour of the new E-cores.
 

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That's great and all, but it's still x86.... Something that Microsoft seems determined to get away from, certainly at the consumer level.

And understandably so.

For all of Microsoft's missteps (and there have been many....so many) they at least have the foresight to know that the world has embraced Arm, and Windows will only survive if it's Arm focussed.

I'm not sure where that leaves Intel, but I think they're really going to struggle if these Arm PC's take off.
 

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That's great and all, but it's still x86.... Something that Microsoft seems determined to get away from, certainly at the consumer level.

And understandably so.

For all of Microsoft's missteps (and there have been many....so many) they at least have the foresight to know that the world has embraced Arm, and Windows will only survive if it's Arm focussed.

I'm not sure where that leaves Intel, but I think they're really going to struggle if these Arm PC's take off.

Intel has the install base of x86, at least.

But if Snapdragon X can prove capable enough with the x86-64 emulation it promises, then that install base could change, for sure!

I certainly want to embrace Windows on Arm, it's been an exciting few months watching Qualcomm revive the platform, but Intel could still come out on top if the Lunar Lake laptops perform well. They wouldn't confirm any TDP metrics at all, but were open about everything else, so we'll have to wait and see. Sample units should be available "soon."
 
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...I certainly want to embrace Windows on Arm, it's been an exciting few months watching Qualcomm revive the platform, but Intel could still come out on top if the Lunar Lake laptops perform well. They wouldn't confirm any TDP metrics at all, but were open about everything else, so we'll have to wait and see. Sample units should be available "soon."
The highlighted portion of your comment caught my eye. Even with my Surface Pro 8 LTE, with its lowly i5, hot bagging never ended, and during heavy sessions of the usual mix of Office 365 productivity applications, Adobe Acrobat Pro, and Chrome its fans would whine as heat built up to the point I needed to use external fans - and MS support insisted that was "normal." I'm going to give Windows one more try with Snapdragon X, if it fails then it is back for good to the silence and power of my used M1 Max MacBook Pro 14 that replaced the Surface Pro 8.
 
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And how many times have we heard Intel proclaim that their next gen chips will run cool and with great battery life, only to find in the real world the fans keep coming on and the battery only lasts for 5-6 hours use and sleep mode drains 1% per hour so you can never have instant on from one day to the next. They said it for every single one of the last 6 generation at least, and every time it wasn't true. Just small incremental improvements at best.
 

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At the third Intel Tech Tour in Taipei, Taiwan, its executive team revealed details about the upcoming Lunar Lake mobile processors and showcased across-the-board performance improvements.

Lunar Lake delivers a faster core performance than ARM": Intel is on track to change the way you think about AI PCs : Read more
I suspect many people are like me . . .
We just don't believe Intel marketing anymore.

Intel 13th gen (or is it 14, or 15, or what?) will be just like the half-dozen generations before it, and the half-dozen before that. Nothing significant to report. Just a number increment because the marketing department said so.

ARM is going to take some of Intel's laptop market away. Finally!
How much? We don't know yet, but it will be a lot.

Qualcomm is going to dominate the Windows-on-ARM market at the start.
But NVIDIA, and maybe others too, will join the market and grab a piece of the action.
Will that be at the expense of Qualcomm, or will it be in addition to Qualcomm (and at the expense of Intel)?
We don't know yet.

And will AMD also continue to take market share from Intel? Probably.

The PC industry hasn't had this much action since AMD-64 beat Itanium as the dominant 64-bit PC architecture!

Good times!
 

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Intel have missed their target so often I'll believe their launch targets when they actually launch on time lol.

I do wonder how much power Intels CPUs are drawing now given the fiasco with 14th gen... not to mention the ILM causing CPUs to bend upwards resulting in poor cooler performance. Used long enough the CPU might have contact issues with the pins in the socket.

I do hope Intel have resolved this issue... we seriously don't need cooler manufacturers having to make multiple versions of the same coolers just so we can cool down Intel CPUs properly (given how secretive they were about the ILM at computex 2024 I'm not holding my breath). For example Noctua have released three versions of their long awaited air cooler - NH-D15 G2.

Not only it wastes alot of materials, it's inefficient and extremely confusing to the average consumer who is looking to build their first PC. If they use the wrong cooler by mistake, they might just throw away the cooler... creating more e-waste (some folks have more money than common sense lol...) . Heck, they may end up switching to AMD given AMD CPUs don't suffer from this problem (yet) further damaging Intel's consumer marketshare.

@Geoff-37 I don't think many OEMs will be using Tegra SOCs, the only notable OEM I can think of offhand is Nintendo. If OEMs want a cheap ARM SOC they can go to Mediatek or maybe Texas Instruments at a stretch. I doubt Nvidia would offer bulk discounts to OEMs haha.... anyway AMD is also working on ARM SOCs so the next few years will be very interesting.
 

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