Mobile syrup hands ATIV,8X, 920 hands on

[metalchick719]

Come on Metalchick. You already said you were merely misinforme just leave it at that, you don't have to imply your previous post was neutral.

And yes I do admit calling the 810 Hideous beyond belief after seeing it on pictures, but that's just my taste, I'm not really spreading incorrect information.

Yes, I agree that the Ativ doesn't look identical, but that's not to say I don't still think it resembles the GSIII. I even said earlier that it does, only it's more blockish with rounded corners.

But a spade is a spade. I have an opinion of that phone, while you have an opinion of another. But seriously, calling something "hideous" isn't merely having an opinion but bashing. How you can call what I said as bashing is beyond me. In any case, I'm done debating this with you, because I really don't feel like going back and forth and repeating myself. Leaving it at this instead.

 

[Reflexx]

I can the same the for your posts. We just have different priorities. In our eyes, Your innovations are gimmicks and my innovations are not practical.

Nope. Innovations are innovations, whether we like them or not. As for their practical use, the benefits of the innovations in the 920 are easily understood. The practical applications are plain to see.

The opinion of some guy that says the butterfly's screen looks great is good. But A LOT of different things affect how good a screen looks. Resolution is one piece. And on devices with screens this small, the difference in what we can perceive between 720p and 1080p at regular viewing distance is extremely minute. If it can be achieved without sacrificing many frame rates and or much battery life, then it's still cool to have.

But when you try to convince yourself that it's somehow more practical, you must be joking.

That being said, I'm sure we will see more manufactures copying HTC butterfly screen than Nokia's. The ones that saw the phone say the higher res is actually quite noticeable and there's nothing else out yet.

Of course they'll copy the 1080 rez first. Do you know why? It's MUCH easier to do.

Also, Nokia owns the patents to their innovations. If other OEMs want to mimic it, they have to find a different way to do it or they have to pay Nokia.


HTC does not own a patent on 1080p. Anyone could do it when they want to. Other OEMs will be watching to see if that spec translates to big sales. If so, we'll see more from everyone.

People tout Samsung for not being innovative also, yet look at the Note. Is the kind of phone no one knew they wanted and now everything is copying them.

I believe the Dell Streak did this before the Note did. The Note just had better execution of the idea.

 

[AngryNil]

The point of Amoled is to have vibrant colors and deep blacks, not to "merge" with the phone. The screen still looks fantastic on a white or gray phone and the point of a phone is to look it's best.

You missed the point. All these screens have great blacks. Having those true blacks will only be noticeable if you have a black phone and you can see the screen is a little washed out compared to the face of the device.

Samsung's "SAMOLED" screens have bad colour fidelity because Samsung just tries to oversaturate everything to make it look vibrant. LCDs generally have better fidelity, far better clarity (as it stands due to PenTile vs RGB) and less power draw. The gap has been lessened to the point where AMOLED is no longer the leader just because of its true blacks.

WP Central talked about this with the HTC Radar & Titan, and many reviewers already tout the SLCD2 as the best screen on the market (excluding the 5" 1080p). None I have seen tout the Samsung screen as the winner anymore.

I don't know what Puremotion+ HD meant but I was sure it was just fancy words like "Retina display", it probably just refer to the resolution.

You spend a lot of time around here. Doesn't hurt to know the facts.
http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824216/data/2/-/PuremotionHD.pdf

ATIV/GS3

920/900

Samsung splashed a new coat of paint of the GS3. Nokia completely overhauled the internals of the 900. No comparison there, sorry.

HTC does not own a patent on 1080p. Anyone could do it when they want to. Other OEMs will be watching to see if that spec translates to big sales. If so, we'll see more from everyone.

Indeed, LG revealed a 5" 1080p screen before HTC announced the Butterfly.

 

[Winterfang]

Super LCD2 is the best screen on the market to a vast margin of people. But SAMOLED blacks are still notifiable superior. Unless you are losing your vision you can notice how much darker the Blacks on the Samsung screens are, regardless of the color of the phone itself.

The color of the phone doesn't affect the screen, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

 

[aventador779]

I seriously don't get the point of how people are saying that the 8X is better than the ATIV S.... HOW? WHY?

 

[Winterfang]

I seriously don't get the point of how people are saying that the 8X is better than the ATIV S.... HOW? WHY?

It has his advantages, better FFC, Beats Audio, crisper screen, sexy unibody design.

While the ATIV also has them over the 8X, Bigger screen, SD card slot, bigger and removable battery.

It depends really of what's best for you. I say the out of the three main phones only ATIV has exclusive stuff people most care about. They aren't new or innovative but are things proven to work. The battery stuff in particular is a God send.

 

[aventador779]

It has his advantages, better FFC, Beats Audio, crisper screen, sexy unibody design.

While the ATIV also has them over the 8X, Bigger screen, SD card slot, bigger and removable battery.

It depends really of what's best for you. I say the out of the three main phones only ATIV has exclusive stuff people most care about. They aren't new or innovative but are things proven to work. The battery stuff in particular is a God send.

Even though the design is plastic, I still prefer it over the 8X. I mean seriously, look at this:

https://forums.windowscentral.com/e...images%2Fs%2Fimg_sceen04_8.png&token=T1GQc2Tn

It's thinner.

Has a bigger screen.

And it especially has a giant 2300mAh battery! Compared to 1800mAh on the 8X.

Also the 8X has a very, very small storage of 16GB. May be OK for some, but it doesn't even offer a micro sd slot!

Only thing is I like the beats audio, but it's not a killer for me.

Bigger screen>Crisper, higher PPI screen.

 

[aventador779]

It has his advantages, better FFC, Beats Audio, crisper screen, sexy unibody design.

While the ATIV also has them over the 8X, Bigger screen, SD card slot, bigger and removable battery.

It depends really of what's best for you. I say the out of the three main phones only ATIV has exclusive stuff people most care about. They aren't new or innovative but are things proven to work. The battery stuff in particular is a God send.

And you could say it has "better build quality" but I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus and it is COMPLETELY fine.

 

[Winterfang]

I'm not one of those persons that associate heavy unibody with better build quality. Samsung plastic devices are though, the last and take nice damage.

The difference in battery life should be quite drastic yes, I can't wait for proper reviews to be honest.

Yep it looks pretty great. I still like the 8S looks better.

 

[anon(5339784)]

Winterfang really seems to have an issue with Nokia...

I barely made it to the second page and read over half a dozen of his posts where he is *****ing about Nokia, together with his ridiculous signature image it makes reading these threads unbearable, they transform into "Winterfang's last stand against Nokia-appreciation"...


...Depp.

 

[Winterfang]

Just hang in there Ramrac, you will find that I often have interesting to say.

 

[dogfish54]

The issue that I would have with 1080p would be the benefit vs the impact on battery life and performance. I think that the difference between 720p and 1080p on smartphones is going to be very hard to notice.

Super sensitive touch is a big deal in cold climates, and for those in warm climates, the extra visibility in sunlight should be nice.

OIS in the 920 is a big deal and will improve the average persons pictures, especially indoors. The other cinemagraph stuff is also really cool. I think we'll see more as Nokia integrates Scalado. If you don't know anything about Scalado, they are the ones behind the cool new tech in the BB10 camera (and other manufacturers) and they are now a part of Nokia. As Myriam from engadget stated, people don't realize what a big deal the Scalado acquisition is.

In all fairness, and I'm not a big Samsung fan, but I think it goes 920 > ATIV > 8X.

The whole lighter, more pocketable argument seems weak. I don't think there has been a phone on the market in the last two years that could be considered a brick. The 920 is not big and heavy, it is heavier than some of the others, but it's nowhere close to heavy.

Wireless charging may not be a big deal right now, like NFC, but it's a nice addition. I can't tell you how many times my phone rings after I just plugged it in ... and my (first) iphone smashed because something snagged the charging cable and it fell on the floor.

It can be hard to imagine how something that you haven't used can be cool, but I think once these devices hit the stores, we can all make up our own mind what is best. I'm glad we all have a choice.

@winterfang - the pic in your tag makes you look like a troll. But this is an open forum I guess.

 

[pulkit10]

I stand by Metalchick's comment: the Ativ is just a rehashed SIII. Yes, they added a bit of flair to the design. It is a little like arguing with Porsche fans who claim that every new 911 is "completely different" than the old one when it is literally the same with minor incremental improvements.

The 920 has a whole bucketload of features over the 900 - the Ativ doesn't. So that point is moot.

As for the screen, for the vast majority of people anything in the "good enough" range is brilliant. I cannot think of many that would complain about the sharpness on any of the three phones being compared - simply because they can't tell the difference. The bigger screen on the Ativ, though, will be the alluring factor but apart from that there is little that differentiates them in terms of "who has the better screen". Maybe to you, as a techie, it is a big deal but I honestly won't care that much if the display is 332 ppi vs. 326 ppi. That brings me to another point, that 1080p screen you are touting on the "butterfly". Here's why it is kind of irrelevant to the vast majority of people with vision: Apple describes uses the term "Retina Display" for devices that "have a high enough pixel density that the human eye is unable to notice pixelation at a typical viewing distance" - meaning that anything beyond that number (say that number is 326 ppi, for example) is an utterly irrelevant spec. If you cannot pick out individual pixels on the screen, why would it matter if it is 440 ppi or 326 ppi? After a point, it is literally the same thing - a bit like packing in more horsepower in an automobile; after a point, it just won't make a noticeable difference.

Yes, the 1080p resolution would be amazing too look at but how much better will it be from the best screens that are currently out there? not much (see logic above). Moreover, these are incremental innovations to the screen (going from 720p to 1080p, 300 ppi -> 400 ppi, 30 Hz to 60 Hz) - there is nothing revolutionary about it, it is just refining what already is expected of a device. Being able to use the screen with gloves on, on the other hand, is revolutionary. Maybe you don't live in a cold climate, and (naturally) don't understand the pain of having to take your gloves of but is it really that hard to see the advantage? And the direct sunlight bit is actually super useful. I've played around with the 900 under such conditions and it beats anything out there - it is very much real. You'll have to take my word for it anyways since you said the same about the "only guy who saw the two side by side".

I see your point, the Ativ is being treated a little unfairly and Nokia is riding the hype train but ask yourself, what has Samsung (and up until recently HTC) done for the platform? How have they tried to distinguish their devices from their other operations? The answer is they haven't. Both were focused on bringing in rehashed designs (HTC is less guilty of this) from Android and slapping WP on it - that seems like a half hearted effort to me. The Ativ is just that then; a half-hearted effort. Yes, it is a solid offering with some noticeable advantages but that doesn't take away from the fact that Samsung has been abysmal at supporting their phones and/or trying to differentiate hardware from others.

 

[DungMasterFang]

No everyone lives in a cold area, everyone looks at their screens. Is a welcome addition but is not a major innovation. Like Wireless charging is a cool gimmick that will impress people when the visit their stores.

Those who don't live in a cold place usually live in places where there's direct sunlight so everybody wins

Lumia 900 was crowned as the best outdoor screen of any smartphone out there and 920 is just going to improve on that.

 

[jonathan sink]

Hands-on with the Rogers Samsung ATIV S, HTC 8X and Nokia Lumia 920 | MobileSyrup.com

Folks at Mobile syrup (A Canadian site, shocker), expend some quality time with the roger version of our future devices.

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The advantage of 720p resolution is quite clear, you can fit a four row of small tiles on the main screen. Samsung Blacks are still unbeatable. Is nice to see the devices next to each other.

Edit: Things of interest (for the ones that don't have time to read the site)

Samsung ATIV: significantly taller than the 8X but smaller than the 920.
Screen is vivid and bold but it doesn't look as crisp as the 8X.
Phone feels great in the hand, looks and feels better than the GS3.
Lots of Samsung apps (Like Chaton and Live Wallpaper?)

Windows Phone 8X: Exclusive 8GB version for Rogers (also 16gb available, don't worry)
Blue color, looks more purple in real life. Nothing like Nokia's blue.
Noticeable lighter, thinner and more pockeatable than the 920.
Reds on the display looks deeper and richer than on the 920.

Lumia 920: 9.7mm Camera has the edge on the 8X.
Lumia feels great in the hand, very robust.
Double the memory as the 8X
Black only so far.

Samsung ATIV: significantly taller than the 8X but smaller than the 920

Im confused by that line cuz it specifies taller than 8x but smaller then 920, if were going by height that is an incorrect statement as the ativ is much taller then the 920.

Windows Phone 8 and 7 devices get sized up in new comparison chart | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

 

[Winterfang]

Tall doesn't automatically equals big. The thickness and weight and horizontal dimensions of the lumia makes it the bigger devices on his eyes. Again on HIS eyes.

 

[devize]

It's a pretty silly comment to say that it is smaller than the L920 though. I think most people would regard the cross sectional area as the 'size' of the device when just looking at it. The cross sectional area of the L920 is quite a lot smaller than the Ativ S as their widths are similar but the Ativ has a much larger height. I'd argue that thickness is pretty irrelevant when talking size, otherwise the Ativ is 'smaller' when talking total volume.

Speaking of sizes, does anyone find the 8x to look too tall and narrow?

 

[tomatoes11]

ATIV/GS3

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920/900

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LOL Clueless Samsung haters owned. The back of the 8x looks very similar to other HTC phones too, like the HTC J Butterfly and one of the DROIDs.

I am still trying to put my finger on where the clueless Samsung hate comes from though. I am thinking it has something to do with the GS3 being extremely popular.

 

[tomatoes11]

Okay, my bad about the Ativ being the same exact design of the GSIII. It's very close, but squared off a bit at the edges.

I actually quite love the Lumia 900 and 920's design. I'm petite and have small hands, so I normally would opt for a smaller phone, but the 920 is just such a total package that I would get it, regardless of it being big for me.

Um, that is not close at all. LOL

From colour to shape to LED placement to speaker placement to actual physical dimensions to materials to camera lens shape to just about everything.

I honestly do not have a clue how that hilariously poor observation came from. Maybe from Jdevenberg resident ******.

 

[Coreldan]

I dont even get why someone uses the "rehashed SGS3" as some sort of argument. I mean, the Lumia 920 is just a rehashed N9. Unless their problem with the rehashing is that they rehashed a phone that had a bad design according to these people (my problem with Ativ S, Samsung has had some gorgeous devices before, but the SGS3 or Ativ arnt one of them ).