MS says W10M is ready, I call that BS

[Aleksi]

I think the new hardware will run W10M just fine. It's the oldies that I'm concerned about. My 640 is running the latest build and it's the first build I've been using on my main phone. It's funny how one finds a lot more bugs when actually using the latest build in real life. In the past I though that the OS was in much better condition when I had the builds on my test Lumia 635. This is my problems list right now...

-edge completely freezes few times a week, requires restart, also other smaller bugs
-overall touch screen responsiveness feels flimsy, sometimes over sensitive sometimes opposite
-keyboard is a bit unresponsive, not the case with all of the previous builds
-can't choose sd-card as a default saving option
-basically everything in the camera app, compared to 8.1 it's slower to start, image quality is worse, the preview gallery is slow and jarring
-wifi share disconnects sometimes on it's own
-sometimes wallpaper disappears for a slipt second when opening or exiting an app, makes for a "fun" transition effect
-also it seems that the positioning of the wallpaper sometimes changes on it's own.
-the messaging app always asks for my phone number when opened, can be disregarded and works fine otherwise
-the store app is still jarring, updating apps section still has some of those old bugs it has had since day 1 of the insider program ie. blank live tiles
-glance screen doesn't update notifications correctly, showing unread messages when there are none
-settings for navigation bar (software keys) is still missing
-my phone was bought from china, some places there's chinese text regardless of what you've set as the language ie. storage sense
-lock screen still lags compared to 8.1
-battery status icon clearly doesn't show the level correctly

 

[loribinca]

Hey Cortana still does not work on my 1520.3 - not able to train it - not sure how they thought they fixed it

Microsoft's mobile philosophy seems to be start from scratch (pretty much) every time - If they had just stuck with windows phone 7 and built and evolved on that, the OS would be in a much better state than them having to keep starting over all the time

I'm not moving to 10 - after two days with the latest build on my phone, I reverted it back to 8.1, and I'm not going to try again for a while. I was also thinking of getting a 950XL - putting that purchase on hold as well.

I'm even *almost* at the point of rolling my Surface Pro 3 back to 8.1 due to the bunch of things that 10 broke on mine (Type cover issues, display driver issues) etc etc

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Hey Cortana still does not work on my 1520.3 - not able to train it - not sure how they thought they fixed it

The sad truth is they thought they fixed it because they didn't test it on your (or my) 1520.3. Since they have zero to gain by saying its fixed if they knew it wasn't fixed I am sure it is fixed for some 1520s. But they do look the fool for saying anything about Hey Cortana without better testing. It's like someone running across a busy street without getting run over and then telling the world its safe to run across a busy street.

What blew my mind was after Hey Cortana refused to learn my voice, on a lark I tapped the button to hear an example and the example was in MY voice from a previous learning!!! I then did a soft reset and while it still would not learn my voice, the example reverted to the generic example.

 

[nekkedrunner]

My opinion.
More time is going into how much information and what I believe to be Private Information into their O.S.
than they are at making it efficient or for the silly minded out there, 'pretty'.
So much of our focus on the colors, live tiles, UI, etc etc... that the fact that the direction we are headed in,
NOTHING will be private and thanks to the Cloud phenomenon our computers are no longer ours.
My files: their choice My updates: their choice My conversations: Their choice
My Internet surfing: monitored Junk ADS: no stopping them .... etc etc etc....

Benefits to me: cross platform access.

My Benefit vs. Their Benefit I lose.

Once implementation is solidly in place there will be NO alternatives, every keystroke, every file and every private conversation and/or email is on the servers of those who answer: TRUST US to PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY.

The cloud is doing in many ways what virus's do, I do not see a difference except a virus can be removed!!!

 

[Torontonian22]

I don't think it's entirely pointless. I had thought of a few ways the dock would come in pretty handy.

I had went to a customer for tech support and the sales person didn't tell me I needed to bring a laptop with our software. I know, really dumb not to bring a laptop to show a new, potential customer our software. At that point, using a projector, a keyboard and mouse to show the customer at least a Power Point or a Webinar would have been very useful.

Additionally, the software I run is a CAD software, which most likely won't run on a phone. A power point would have saved us, though.

That was only one time and every since then I would bring a laptop no matter where I go, or if we show our software. The display dock has potential but it isn't for everyone. I noticed 950 XL purchasers will be able to get a display dock from the Microsoft store. While that's cool, I would be more excited if we could get either Band or Band 2 with purchase.

I definitely agree, it's not entirely pointless. We could find a few use cases for continuum but most of them would be a one shot, like in your case, or temporary situations (like using it in a conference room for example).

Now let's go a bit further. Let's say a surface phone running a x86 applications (and not apps). It could be appealing in the first place right? But wouldn't it canibalise the surface line? Why would you carry a larger, heavier device if your phone can do the same? Therefore, I'm not so sure of the surface phone product placement. Besides, for having used a surface pro, using desktop apps with touch is a complete nonsense as it's not meant for this. Apple's success is based on a phone that's still a phone and that communicates easily with its productive siblings (macbook pro or ipads via Continuity). There's no device canibalising one over the other. The only one that's left out now is the iPod that was meant to disappear anyway.

Either W10M quickly gets a lot of universal apps and create new use cases or continuum will remain a nice tech demo but nothing more.

I don't see any of my friends, colleagues or family unplug their home pc to use a phone instead "simply because they can".

The only way continuum could be a first hit is to make continuum compatible with any DLNA/Miracast device to leverage the number of screens around the world who could take advantage of the feature without forcing users to use a dedicated dock or wireless receiver.

In a world where: the surface pro didn't exist, tablets in general were not able to cast their screen wirelessly, people did not have a pc at home (or a laptop), the price of small PC or HTPC that does much more for a fraction of the 950's price didn't exist, continuum would be a great addition.

Right now, it's an impressive feature that I'd like to try out of curiosity but as a tech enthusiast, not on a daily basis... and I'm a tech enthusiast. I can't imagine what the masses will think about continuum and that's exactly what WP needs right now, being attractive to masses and I don't think Continuum is that feature.

 

[Mad Cabbie]

Mmmm... Could be worse...are you aware of how much data Google and Apple hold about users? People having data isn't really the issue. It's about how they use it.

We all know about our browsing history. The UK Govt have just announced that ISPs have to keep records for a year. Like most Govt's the minute you type certain words beginning with T and ending with T, a red flag is raised. There are many more triggers that will get you monitored. So can't blame MSFT for that one.

As for updates, I can only assume your concern would be back door access written in to the update. Conversations are between you and someone else. If, as mentioned, you start using certain terms, then the red flag goes up. Emails have been monitored for years, so that's nothing new.

I am doubtful that MSFT are watching your every move. That would be an infringement of your human rights, and I am certain that a court case would have appeared by now.

You are right, ads are a pain in the butt, but how else do developers pay for development of apps.

I left Google due to the amount of so called 'anonymous' data collection and then the plethora of junk. If you buy Samsung, they want to know the inside of a ducks butt as well. So when you add android with the OEMs data collection, things aren't so crazy on this side.

 

[Bokisa4444]

I have last build 10581 and its okay on my Lumia 925. But just OK. There are some laginess going on and its not smooth as 8.1 and i cant update some apps for example, glance, display etc. But my ONLY HOPE is that they fix the DAMN camera. Picture quality on my lumia 925 is like you take picture with calculator, and i tried everything possible solution, thats how bad it is. Amber update ruined it completely and since then MS didnt do anything to fix it. So yeah...im a bit frustrated about this and hoping they finally fix it in wm 10.

 

[sheldon cohn]

I'm still finding fault with the current Windows 10 build, for example with my Windows 8.1 phone I can
assign ringtones to individuals both incoming calls and messages, but Windows 10 I can't do it. I sent
feedback on the problem. We all have people we want to answer right away, and others we can call
back later, by assigning ringtones, we can tell which type is calling or messaging.

 

[houkoholic]

If you think that the UI is to blame for the failure of WP then I don't know what to tell you other than how asinine and ignorant that is of the real problem. It's also flat out stupid to think that changing the UI will do anything other than ticking off a lot of people that came to the platform in the first place. People that liked the UI.

We know what the problem is - it's the lack of apps. The lack of apps is partially related to the UI as many developers weren't interested in adhering to the design standards set by Microsoft, especially those with existing apps on iOS/Android don't want to spend the effort in creating yet another entirely new UI for their apps, as sometimes their UI is part of their brand identity. Some end users are also afraid to "try something new" due to the UI. To think that the non-convential UI didn't have anything to do with the lack of success of WP is just as ignorant.

 

[Kram Sacul]

We know what the problem is - it's the lack of apps. The lack of apps is partially related to the UI as many developers weren't interested in adhering to the design standards set by Microsoft, especially those with existing apps on iOS/Android don't want to spend the effort in creating yet another entirely new UI for their apps, as sometimes their UI is part of their brand identity. Some end users are also afraid to "try something new" due to the UI. To think that the non-convential UI didn't have anything to do with the lack of success of WP is just as ignorant.

So going by this logic MS should also get rid of live tiles because they're too different from the other mobile UIs and just end up scaring away potential customers. MS should create a generic copycat UI with nothing too unique or far out there. Basically what W10M is except for the Start screen.

I'm actually surprised they haven't ditched live tiles yet. They've added an option in W10M to dial down the transparency so that the tiles are basically dull flat icons but the tiles are still there although cramped and minimalized.

 

[nekkedrunner]

sadly as your post suggests to me, privacy is being lost for the extra goodies we get and commercialism.

Yes, I guess like violence, people just become accustomed to it and life goes on.

 

[Tazbir bhuiyan]

This is totally frustrating situation for me. I have been a user for 2.5+- years. What MS is doing with W10M is not justice to the user for long term. W8.1M was good and it needed some refinement to hold back users to switch to other platforms. Recently My lumia 925 broke from an accidental drop and I had no choice but to switch to android because microsoft is not offering any suitable alternative for the time in our country(bangladesh).. However, I hope microsoft will understand it's mistakes and never repeat them. I mentioned repeat because, they did the same mistake with W7M users. they got frustrated because microsoft just forgot them when W8M arrived. It's happening again with the users of W8.1M users. I think if MS going to do this again and again, some user will never go back to windows. and unfortunately, I am one of them now.

 

[Lloyd Kuhnle]

I agree with you 100%. I have been using a Lumia 1520 for about a year now. I love the phone, but if W10 Mobile is not on it soon, I will be going Android. The phone was complete when I had the Softcard app in it. I love the tap to pay thing. Then that goes away when Google bought the technology. Apple and Android have it, but MS does not! I'm truly getting tired of waiting!

I also used to have the Bank of America app installed. Then BOA took it away for lack of users.

I won't go Apple, and I don't really want to go Android, but I probably will go soon. MS sure dropped the ball with mobile!

 

[Joe920]

Gabe just tweeted that the forecast for today is 'sunny with a chance of build'.

https://twitter.com/StanZhelyazkov/status/667019555353600000

 

[Mad Cabbie]

Gabe just tweeted that the forecast for today is 'sunny with a chance of build'.

https://twitter.com/StanZhelyazkov/status/667019555353600000

I've never trusted weathermen! Lol

 

[theefman]

And WP7/8 won over so many market share and developer support with this superior design layout - oh wait but it didn't.

WP didn't win marketshare because of asinine decisions like launching a new platform without copy and paste and from then on trailing the competition in features. Practically everyone, even the Verge back then praised the UI but then Microsoft basically scored own goal after own goal by not updating the platform to be competitive. WP failed because of the priority Microsoft gave it, as in none and that's all down to the people in charge, not the UI.

 

[donkiluminate]

WP didn't win marketshare because of asinine decisions like launching a new platform without copy and paste and from then on trailing the competition in features. Practically everyone, even the Verge back then praised the UI but then Microsoft basically scored own goal after own goal by not updating the platform to be competitive. WP failed because of the priority Microsoft gave it, as in none and that's all down to the people in charge, not the UI.

I completely agree. MS dropped the OS out there and then gave it zero to little attention.

 

[vtm]

I dont think anyone is expecting anything perfect for software or even hardware, there is acceptable error margin on everything, even humans. I personally want Microsoft to succeed, but they are not trying hard enough to create stable software. They are pulling google on users, pushing beta software and seeing how public reacts to it.

 

[mdmk]

The problem is actually not the lack of apps anymore, IMO. WP81 has most of the apps I need, just not the fancy new hyped ones.

The real problem is what made Windows great back then: Support of devices. I'd call this the Device Gap.

Back then, Windows was great because you can plug in anything to your PC, and it would just plug and play - just works. It supports all types of printers, monitors, USB gadgets, high end graphics cards, biometric sensors and anything you throw at it. Mac OSX is still nothing compared to Windows in this aspect.

And then I look at Windows phones, and the devices I have around the house. There had been lots of new home automation and wearable devices in the past decade, and Windows - both phone and desktop - support very selected few of them. I have Insteon, Roku, Logitech Harmony, Philips Hue, Wink devices, Amazon Echo, Chromecast, Xbox, FitBit scale, MS Band, Pebble watch, a handful of Trackr devices, some toy drones, musical instruments that only work with iOS, etc (yes, my router is overloaded). While there are apps for half of them, they are all way behind the iOS / Android counterparts in terms of integration.

I ended up buying a cheap Android tablet that acts as a makeshift 'home automation hub', just so I can connect and configure them. Not having consistent Windows support for these devices limits what I can do with them, e.g. IFTTT automation, Tasker, etc. For example, I cannot have my geolocation of the phone inform my lights to turn on, or change the volume of my receiver since Harmony doesn't have a Windows app. And forget about buying any smartwatches - there is only one choice, the MS Band. It's the little things that grind my interest down little by little...

Having tried out the new Windows 10 Mobile on Lumia 950XL extensively on Device Nights, Microsoft Store and on the Oct 4 #Windows10Devices launch event, I am seriously concerned about the future of this OS. The UI is a few steps back, and the Hamburger menus are truly aggravating to use. I hope they listen to the feedback and fix them soon, like what they had done to the Photos app on the mobile recently.

 

[Ben Schmidt1]

The problem is actually not the lack of apps anymore, IMO. WP81 has most of the apps I need, just not the fancy new hyped ones.

The real problem is what made Windows great back then: Support of devices. I'd call this the Device Gap.

Back then, Windows was great because you can plug in anything to your PC, and it would just plug and play - just works. It supports all types of printers, monitors, USB gadgets, high end graphics cards, biometric sensors and anything you throw at it. Mac OSX is still nothing compared to Windows in this aspect.

And then I look at Windows phones, and the devices I have around the house. There had been lots of new home automation and wearable devices in the past decade, and Windows - both phone and desktop - support very selected few of them. I have Insteon, Roku, Logitech Harmony, Philips Hue, Wink devices, Amazon Echo, Chromecast, Xbox, FitBit scale, MS Band, Pebble watch, a handful of Trackr devices, some toy drones, musical instruments that only work with iOS, etc (yes, my router is overloaded). While there are apps for half of them, they are all way behind the iOS / Android counterparts in terms of integration.

I ended up buying a cheap Android tablet that acts as a makeshift 'home automation hub', just so I can connect and configure them. Not having consistent Windows support for these devices limits what I can do with them, e.g. IFTTT automation, Tasker, etc. For example, I cannot have my geolocation of the phone inform my lights to turn on, or change the volume of my receiver since Harmony doesn't have a Windows app. And forget about buying any smartwatches - there is only one choice, the MS Band. It's the little things that grind my interest down little by little...

Having tried out the new Windows 10 Mobile on Lumia 950XL extensively on Device Nights, Microsoft Store and on the Oct 4 #Windows10Devices launch event, I am seriously concerned about the future of this OS. The UI is a few steps back, and the Hamburger menus are truly aggravating to use. I hope they listen to the feedback and fix them soon, like what they had done to the Photos app on the mobile recently.

I believe this is the idea behind W10... that with all the surface tablets out there, and them kind of force-ably transferring all users to W10... that ideally people would want to make apps for that platform. Unfortunately the saying "Only time will tell" means that we need to wait longer only to be disappointed in the end that no one wants to spend the money to transfer their apps to the W10 OS... I'm along the same lines that I'm tired of all these home devices only pairing with Android or iOS and not WP... but maybe this whole renovation of the W10 world will change things sooner rather than later.