Nokia trash-talking about HTC's launch

[Big Supes]

Once again, Nokia can say anything it wants, but all criticism of Nokia is unfair.

Hey, back when a load of us were on Nodo, we ALL complained how HTC and Samsung didn't really give a rats *** about WP. We craved better devices and although the Titan was nice, it was basically the Sensation XL re-shelled and tossed in our direction. Nokia came along and actually started delivering mouth drooling devices... as far as I'm concerned, as long as they keep 'em coming, they can say pretty much say what the **** they want to the competition. People are talking as if Samsung/HTC have had their feelings hurt by this banter. Newflash (not directed at you solely) - they don't care. No one lost sleep.

 

[sinime]

^^ Exactly

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[anon(5335877)]

Maybe I didn't pay attention longer enough. How are they superior to the devices they released nearly six months ago? (genuine question)

I think they are, but not to the Lumia 920. The Lumia 920 has more features, but I really like what HTC has done with their design. It's actually matte, and I know a lot of people complained about the glossy Lumia 920s.

The other thing though, is support. Will HTC support their devices? Because I used to have a Titan and a Titan II, and HTC did nothing for me when I had a problem.

I think they swipe at Samsung in presentations. With good reason.

Yeah, didn't Samsung have a "It doesn't take a genius" ad?

No, I am saying that the screen brand is meaningless (and a great deal of the polarizing film value proposition was overhyped, if the 900 is anything to go by).

On the flip side, Nokia has essentially stated that HTC's new phones are just "rebranded" versions of devices that they're already selling. Funny how nobody seems in a tizzy about *that* obvious falsehood.

Once again, Nokia can say anything it wants, but all criticism of Nokia is unfair.

So if they make an improvement on the screen, what should they say? Should they not call it anything? I mean Apple has their "Retina" display.

The ClearBlack, I really don't know about, even though I own a 900. I haven't really compared it to other phones, I just know that I can see the screen outdoors, and that's good enough for me. It wasn't amazing for me, but then again, I keep my brightness on automatic (low).

I actually somewhat agree with you here. It doesn't seem rebranded to me, but then when I look at the specs, it really is similar to the One X. But I think the difference for me here is that HTC actually TRIED. They came out with wonderful new designs, put a nice wide-angled FFC, among other things. These devices actually excite me. The only things that are stopping me from grabbing both an HTC and a Nokia is cost and will HTC provide good support?

 

[Big Supes]

I think they are, but not to the Lumia 920. The Lumia 920 has more features, but I really like what HTC has done with their design. It's actually matte, and I know a lot of people complained about the glossy Lumia 920s.

You beat me to it; I was just coming back to say that, for the record, I think HTC have put out some pretty nice devices for Wp8. It's very encouraging to see both Sammy and HTC treating WP more seriously.

The other thing though, is support. Will HTC support their devices? Because I used to have a Titan and a Titan II, and HTC did nothing for me when I had a problem.

Good point. If these devices are to go by, we could assume that HTC are more committed to WP....

 

[cgk]

This is good, companies should aggressively (but legally) trying to destroy each other.

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[1jaxstate1]

Speaking of Samsung attacks. LMFAO and SMH. I never got the point of calling names. You call them names, but you want them to switch to ur brand. I don't think it works like that.
Samsung iPhone 5 attack ad pumps up Galaxy S III features
"They say this is phone is going to be like a precious jewel!!"

 

[theefman]

Once again, Nokia can say anything it wants, but all criticism of Nokia is unfair.

So what exactly should Nokia be criticized for, fairly? Problem is ever since Nokia showed up so many HTC and Samsung fans have been taking potshots at them, when in reality they single-handedly propped up the entire platform with the Lumia 900 and 800. Another post here actually produced a graph to show how Nokia's 920 sales will be lower than HTC's. Why all the hate?


The obvious truth is that people are envious because they could not get those devices on their carriers and they also got more attention than their preferred brands so now that HTC has some good phones to compete with Nokia is basically "crap" and people are just chomping at the bit to find something to criticize them for. All we've seen is how HUGE, HEAVY and BRICK-like the 920 is. All the other innovations they packed into the 920 and 820 count for nothing now and its time to take Nokia down a peg.

Personally, I think the HTC devices look great and I know they will do well. I would also love to see the 920 on more carriers worldwide but there are reasons we dont know about that indicate that might not happen. I think though that we can safely say its not due to Nokia wanting to keep it exclusive to one carrier just for exclusivity's sake, there are likely financial reasons at play here. Nevetheless, its time to just sit back and enjoy what you can get, if you are OK switching carriers to get it fine, if not just enjoy what is available to you and leave the multi-billion corporations to fight amongst themselves.

Case in point http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nf5-Prx19ZM

 

[blehblehbleh]

Nobody was. The rest of us just wish Nokia would give HTC the same courtesy.

You mean you just wish Nokia would give HTC the same courtesy, as if any duty exists among competitors.

There are none. Just carefully controlled experiments performed by Nokia reps after Nokia got busted for faking the initial "demo ad."

Right the same videos capturing these controlled experiments on the same morning as their announcement? Somehow the backlash on the simulation got out while the reps were demoing things on the press room floor?

Again, I'm content to let sleeping dogs lie, but slamming the competition in classless attack advertising when your own technology isn't ready for prime time -- and after being caught red-handed trying to fake otherwise -- is just plain classless.

Again, to you

You don't see Samsung or HTC doing that to Nokia. HTC could have just as easily held a little rally outside of Nokia's event (just like Nokia did at Samsung's) and said "come back in a few weeks for the REAL Windows Phones -- pricing, carrier availability and launch times!" But they didn't.

Maybe cuz they don't have the clout? Besides they very well could've. HTC's loss.

That's class. Nokia could use some of that (or at the very least, more hands working on getting their non-functioning tech working, priced and shipped).

Whatever man, I don't know why you're so up in arms over this. It's just companies doing what they do. You think the trash talk is gonna bring down WP8 as a whole or something? If so, give credit to the people that will see through it all.

 

[independentvolume]

I'm all for some mud slinging. Well, unless its politics. I can hardly watch the tele now.

 

[anon(5335877)]

So what exactly should Nokia be criticized for, fairly? Problem is ever since Nokia showed up so many HTC and Samsung fans have been taking potshots at them, when in reality they single-handedly propped up the entire platform with the Lumia 900 and 800. Another post here actually produced a graph to show how Nokia's 920 sales will be lower than HTC's. Why all the hate?


The obvious truth is that people are envious because they could not get those devices on their carriers and they also got more attention than their preferred brands so now that HTC has some good phones to compete with Nokia is basically "crap" and people are just chomping at the bit to find something to criticize them for. All we've seen is how HUGE, HEAVY and BRICK-like the 920 is. All the other innovations they packed into the 920 and 820 count for nothing now and its time to take Nokia down a peg.

Personally, I think the HTC devices look great and I know they will do well. I would also love to see the 920 on more carriers worldwide but there are reasons we dont know about that indicate that might not happen. I think though that we can safely say its not due to Nokia wanting to keep it exclusive to one carrier just for exclusivity's sake, there are likely financial reasons at play here. Nevetheless, its time to just sit back and enjoy what you can get, if you are OK switching carriers to get it fine, if not just enjoy what is available to you and leave the multi-billion corporations to fight amongst themselves.

Case in point The Next Big Thing is Already Here -- Samsung Galaxy S III - YouTube

Now that you've said this, I've wondered, if Nokia didn't jump on WP, what would have happened? Would HTC and Samsung not have even bothered and just put out an exact Galaxy and One X clone?

 

[blehblehbleh]

Once again, Nokia can say anything it wants, but all criticism of Nokia is unfair.

No it's totally fair, it's just nothing has been shown by the other sides to show the dedication that Nokia's throwing in. If Nokia is gonna be knocked down a peg then the other companies have to bring it just as hard as Nokia, in my opinion.

 

[1jaxstate1]

It it wasn't for HTC and Samsung, there probably wouldn't be a WP7. Nokia was nosediving in Sybian and Meego, while HTC and Samsung was holding down the WP7 front.

HTC been a loyal MS partner since the WM days. Show them some respect Nokia. I wonder if Nokia is spending the money MS had to give them to spend people with signs to other OEM events and what not.

 

[anon(5335877)]

It it wasn't for HTC and Samsung, there probably wouldn't be a WP7. Nokia was nosediving in Sybian and Meego, while HTC and Samsung was holding down the WP7 front.

HTC been a loyal MS partner since the WM days. Show them some respect Nokia. I wonder if Nokia is spending the money MS had to give them to spend people with signs to other OEM events and what not.

They have been, I used to own two HTCs with WM6.0. I was just disappointed with what they did for WP, it seems like they didn't exactly try (or maybe they were waiting for WP8). Glad they're back though. Great effort from HTC for their WP8 devices.

 

[Nataku4ca]

ummm.... while u guys fight over it, i think the word slamming that the Verge used is abit excessive, at least from reading the article Weber is just reinforcing the fact that they are all in with Windows Phone

the tweets how ever, does feel abit snarky, but clearly isn't "slamming" htc's conference, more like an attempt at being one of those as seen on TV sales (which tends to be annoying after awhile)

 

[theefman]

It it wasn't for HTC and Samsung, there probably wouldn't be a WP7. Nokia was nosediving in Sybian and Meego, while HTC and Samsung was holding down the WP7 front.

HTC been a loyal MS partner since the WM days. Show them some respect Nokia. I wonder if Nokia is spending the money MS had to give them to spend people with signs to other OEM events and what not.

And thats all they did, hold the line while they gave their best efforts to android. Nokia came and supercharged WP and pushed it into the public eye, to the point their device was winning awards. Took the largest share of WP sales within months of coming onboard with marketing and promotions. Engaged developers and brought missing apps to the platform, some with exclusivity but most available to all after some time.


HTC and Samsung could have made this kind of effort before Nokia came along but they didnt, now somehow Nokia owes them something because they were making WP devices first? No, it doesnt matter how long HTC and Samsung have been MS partners, what matters is how much they have brought to the platform. Before today that has been very little. All the things Nokia has done has made them the number 1 WP OEM in consumers eyes, so on balance they have as much claim on the OS as any other OEM if not more because without Nokia and the absolute absence of any support from HTC and Samsung, WP would be dead right now.

 

[eric12341]

Maybe I didn't pay attention longer enough. How are they superior to the devices they released nearly six months ago? (genuine question)

-Beats audio and Dolby headphone (possibly built into OS itself)
-Dedicated amp that constantly adjusts sound based on speaker and content type
-Better materials( GG2)
-Better cameras and dedicated chip
-Stereo recording

 

[crystal_planet]

Dear Nokia,

Save your trash talking for Apple.

Signed,
Microsoft

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[selfcreation]

MS should step in and prevent this, in the end its just Hurting WP in general.


1. people that want nokia but cant have it might just get a other OS.

2. People that Hate Nokia might not even get an other brand cause they figure the rest of the OS is not worth it with out all of Nokia`s *great* features.

hence hurting the OS.

I personally think Nokia is over rated, not like they have MIND blowing elements to bring to the table.... what? a superior Camera.... and a phew other *nokia apps* witch SO FAR is nothing special. Thats what they use to boost their own EGO?!?! :dry
( will see on WP9! lol )

 

[blehblehbleh]

MS should step in and prevent this, in the end its just Hurting WP in general.


1. people that want nokia but cant have it might just get a other OS.

2. People that Hate Nokia might not even get an other brand cause they figure the rest of the OS is not worth it with out all of Nokia`s *great* features.

hence hurting the OS.

Nah. I mean, it's a bit presumptuous for MS to step in and tell their partners how to conduct business. Second, unless that tweet gets blasted into the mainstream most people aren't going to even know that Nokia's trash talking. Even if there's offense taken, I think people are smart enough to hate Nokia and not WP; unless you're telling me Nokia really is synonymous with WP? So really no dent and no harm to WP.

 

[selfcreation]

Nah. I mean, it's a bit presumptuous for MS to step in and tell their partners how to conduct business. Second, unless that tweet gets blasted into the mainstream most people aren't going to even know that Nokia's trash talking. Even if there's offense taken, I think people are smart enough to hate Nokia and not WP; unless you're telling me Nokia really is synonymous with WP? So really no dent and no harm to WP.

true enough that MS doesn't really have any say in NOKIA`s Business, like you said , as long as it doesn't reach the mainstream we fine! :happy: even then it might not do a huge dent, but a dent is a dent when your trying to clime.