Pen tilt?

[Michael Alan Goff]

Wait and see for what? Why?



I can't predict the future, but for now the amount of power true professional graphics software requires is far beyond what the iPad Pro can do. Then there's the whole OS thing. Why would these companies want to create full professional software from scratch for an iPad Pro?

If they do choose to do so, it's several years away. But I don't see that happening. It doesn't make sense. It would make more sense for Apple to make a tablet version of their desktop OS.

And by then, do you really think the Surface pen won't have tilt yet?

Wrong in terms of pure processing power. They demonstrated editing 3 4k streams with this thing. If you really are going to argue that isn't enough power, you're sipping a weird type of koolaid. As for the whole OS thing and apps, we already have Adobe building apps for the Pro. Are you sure you're not ignoring everything to have to do with iOS?

 

[Reflexx]

Wrong in terms of pure processing power. They demonstrated editing 3 4k streams with this thing. If you really are going to argue that isn't enough power, you're sipping a weird type of koolaid. As for the whole OS thing and apps, we already have Adobe building apps for the Pro. Are you sure you're not ignoring everything to have to do with iOS?

I think you're not quite understanding what's involved in professional digital art.

Do you honestly believe that the iPad Pro's processor is more powerful than a MacBook Air? Because that MacBook Air is a poor choice for a professional artists computer.

Hell, even the Surface Pro 3 isnt much of an artist machine.

But at least the Air and SP3 could run the professional software.

If anyone is drinking Kool Aid, it's the person making such ridiculous statements about professional art while obviously not understanding it. Why would you want to make such definitive statements about its ability when the reality is that it does not run pro software? And if its processor is so powerful, why dont they just use it in the Air?

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

A) Yes, I do think the iPad Pro will be more powerful than a MBA or SP3.
B) OSX is an x86 OS for the time being.

 

[StevoPhilo]

The complexities in the iOS system is no where near those of an x86 machine. That being said, can the iPad outperform when it comes to browsing and media purposes than a computer can. Most likely yes. As of right now it doesn't compete when it comes to complex systems like Photoshop/CAD. Only because the algorithms to do the advance tasks would require that of a x86 machine build.

The iPad Pro would be a companion unit to that of a full blown desktop, but not a replacement. I can see getting work started for sketching and then importing to the full Photoshop software.

The same could be said about Photoshop on the SP3/4. I can do a lot on it, but when it comes to multiple layers and full blown tasks with liquifying effects then I would do it on the desktop. The comparison is that I could do it on the Surface and it may take a while, but the iPad doesn't have that feature and probably won't ever just cause the amount of processing that requires.

 

[Reflexx]

A) Yes, I do think the iPad Pro will be more powerful than a MBA or SP3.

Gotta disagree with you there. I dont tthinkiit's even close.

Well, maybe an iPad in 2020 will be more powerful than SP3 or MBA from 2015.

B) OSX is an x86 OS for the time being.

And it's a good OS for graphics software running on a good processor. Much better choice than iOS.

Now if a future iPad uses OSX or OSXI or some other future full blown real OS made for x86 processors, then we may see iPad Pros be serious work machines.

For now, they are accessories that are fun, but you're not going to do serious work on them.

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

Geekbench
i5-5300U: 2607/5254
A9 (iPhone 6S): 2500/4344

Just going by how close a phone is, given the power constraints, it can easily be assumed that the A9X (which likely has at least one extra core) will be even more powerful.

Seriously, it's hilarious that the people here are making the same mistake that Microsoft made when the iPhone came out. Laugh all you want, the competition is coming.

 

[Reflexx]

Geekbench
i5-5300U: 2607/5254
A9 (iPhone 6S): 2500/4344

Just going by how close a phone is, given the power constraints, it can easily be assumed that the A9X (which likely has at least one extra core) will be even more powerful.

Seriously, it's hilarious that the people here are making the same mistake that Microsoft made when the iPhone came out. Laugh all you want, the competition is coming.

Laugh at what?

I'm a professional artist that has no hate for Apple.
Im just teloling you that the iPad Pro isn't something that I can use as my professional computer. Even my SP3 struggles.

The Surface Book looks interesting because of the discrete graphics card.

Are you a professional digital artist?

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

Laugh at what?

I'm a professional artist that has no hate for Apple.
Im just teloling you that the iPad Pro isn't something that I can use as my professional computer. Even my SP3 struggles.

The Surface Book looks interesting because of the discrete graphics card.

Are you a professional digital artist?

I have no talent, so I'm not a professional.

Also, no, you didn't just say that it can't be yours.

Maybe amateurs or hobbyists.
That iPad Pro can't run professional software.

You said it can't be anyone's professional computer.

 

[Reflexx]

I have no talent, so I'm not a professional.

Also, no, you didn't just say that it can't be yours.



You said it can't be anyone's professional computer.

Not just me.
It isn't a digital artists professional computer unless someone is purposely choosing to give themselves less efficient tolls for their business.

You may have hopes for the future, but that doesn't change anything now.

I personally think that Apple should make a touch-friendly OSX, but they haven't.

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

Not just me.

It isn't a digital artists professional computer unless someone is purposely choosing to give themselves less efficient tolls for their business.

You may have hopes for the future, but that doesn't change anything now.

I personally think that Apple should make a touch-friendly OSX, but they haven't.

Why would you want every company to go for the same solution? Isn't it better to have multiple different companies try multiple different things?

 

[Reflexx]

Why would you want every company to go for the same solution? Isn't it better to have multiple different companies try multiple different things?

Only if the tools are good enough.

There are other software solutions. They will all share the same issues. You'll hit a wall when doing complex work if you don't have hardware that can handle it.

I'd love for all my competition to switch to iPad Pros immediately. That would be awesome. I'd have a huge technical advantage over them because they chose to limit their capabilities.

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

Only if the tools are good enough.

There are other software solutions. They will all share the same issues. You'll hit a wall when doing complex work if you don't have hardware that can handle it.

I'd love for all my competition to switch to iPad Pros immediately. That would be awesome. I'd have a huge technical advantage over them because they chose to limit their capabilities.

You are missing my point, likely intentionally.

 

[Yonic Boom]

The iPad Pro will be great for drawing all your Yaoi and Yuri.

 

[Wajeeh Maaz]

The iPad Pro will be great for drawing all your Yaoi and Yuri.

 

[John M Beauchemin]

'Digital Artist' can mean 1,000 different things, and everyone's workflow is different. I'm an animator in the game industry, and TBH none of these tablets will be able to replace my workhorse PC with 2x 32" 2560x1600 monitors and a 22" CintiqHD. All I'm looking to do with a tablet that is work related is sketch and write notes. I think I could probably achieve this on both devices... and the iPadPro looks to actually offer a better pen experience than the SP4 or SurfaceBook. On the other hand, I use PC's for work, so it makes more sense for me to have a tablet with the same operating system that I use every day for everything else. So I've decided to replace my aging iPad with a SurfacePro4 and see how that goes.

Don't forget, things change. Hardware changes. Software changes. It's not like you're looking to buy the one tablet/laptop that you will own for the rest of your life. You can always switch if the other guy gives you a compelling reason to do so.

*edit: The battery life on the SurfaceBook when in tablet mode rules it out for me

 

[Reflexx]

You are missing my point, likely intentionally.

Not sure what the point was then.

Just saying that the iPad Pro is far from being a good solution. IIt's just a really expensive sketchbook.

The Surface Pro is also an expensive sketchbook, but can run most of the software that most artists use on their workstations, so it makes it a little more tolerable as a mobile solution when working things out with clients at their office or at a coffee shop.

The Surface Book is intriguing because of the discrete graphics card. Not sure how powerful it is, but it's definitely going to be more useful than an iPad Pro and even a SP4.

 

[jackzucker2000]

no, it does not support pen tilt.

 

[jackzucker2000]

if you use a pc and photoshop or corel painter for doing "real" work, the biggest advantage of the surface over the ipad pro is the ability to edit your multi layer files directly in 5k or 8k resolution without having to flatten them and convert them to other color spaces. The ipad pro and procreate are a fun painting experience but not for editing 10 layer 4000x6000 pixel files which even the intermediate surface pro 4 handles easily.

The lack of tilt detection is a serious issue though.