Should I Pick up a 650 on Sale?

[James_Pauls]

So what's the issue with your notifications? Mine seems normal and same as what we're seeing on my 830.

That's the problem. Notifications are bad on Windows. Light years behind Android. Like how is it the lockscreen can only show 6 different apps notifications (not all) and some of the apps don't even support doing that? It's actually ridiculous. All apps notifications should be on the lockscreen in chronological order and they should probably also be shown in the status bar.

 

[libra89]

That's the problem. Notifications are bad on Windows. Light years behind Android. Like how is it the lockscreen can only show 6 different apps notifications (not all) and some of the apps don't even support doing that? It's actually ridiculous. All apps notifications should be on the lockscreen in chronological order and they should probably also be shown in the status bar.

It sounds like you come from an Android and iOS background. They are shown in the status bar, they just happen to be grouped. I think in this case, it's down to personal preference. To me, it looks neater to just group the rest of the notifications.

 

[James_Pauls]

It sounds like you come from an Android and iOS background. They are shown in the status bar, they just happen to be grouped. I think in this case, it's down to personal preference. To me, it looks neater to just group the rest of the notifications.

You mean the icon that tells you there are things in the action center? that goes away as soon as you open it even if you don't look at the notifications? Really not that helpful.

I'm surprised I didn't notice how bad this was before I started using Androids. Like I could walk away from my phone for a minute and get 100 Facebook messages, and if I looked at the lockscreen when I got back it would tell me nothing. It would tell me at the top there is something in the action center.

Just seems like a weird way to handle notifying someone. I'd rather just see it

 

[fatclue_98]

You mean the icon that tells you there are things in the action center? that goes away as soon as you open it even if you don't look at the notifications? Really not that helpful.

I'm surprised I didn't notice how bad this was before I started using Androids. Like I could walk away from my phone for a minute and get 100 Facebook messages, and if I looked at the lockscreen when I got back it would tell me nothing. It would tell me at the top there is something in the action center.

Just seems like a weird way to handle notifying someone. I'd rather just see it

You would rather have 100 FB notifications clogging up your notification screen rather than a single notice telling you to check your FB app?

 

[RumoredNow]

Like I could walk away from my phone for a minute and get 100 Facebook messages,

EXACTLY why I don't FaceTwit. Thanks man, that made my night. :winktongue:

Android seems to train users that persistent, explicit, recurring notifications are required for any/every event. That bugs the snot out of me. I like to triage my stuff. Very little ephemera comes through. Not everything is immediately urgent, nor should it be. Aunt Sally's latest pics of little cousin Nicky, nah... Not so much.

The problem with this persistent, explicit, recurring stuff is that it forces you to keep running after the world. Aunt Sally, Tony from your childhood, your boss, your coworkers, the muffler shop, coupons from Burger King... Somewhere you have to draw a line. Our culture is trying to condition us to instantly respond to everything. That's insane. I refuse to feed into it.

I can manage my own priorities. I don't want - I down right refuse - to let my phone tell me that it is controlling my pace and my life. It's my phone. It isn't FaceTwit's phone. It isn't Aunt Sally's phone. It isn't Burger King's even if they want to save me $0.50 on a Whopper Jr meal. It's a tool for my convenience and communication. It should never be a goad.

 

[michael jackson9]

I've had mine for a few weeks. After a hard reset, best phone I've used.

 

[James_Pauls]

You would rather have 100 FB notifications clogging up your notification screen rather than a single notice telling you to check your FB app?

Well yeah. I want the option to have everything either appear or not appear on the lockscreen. Why Microsoft thinks only 6 things are worthy of being seen on the lockscreen is beyond me. Also the one action center notification is pretty useless. It just goes away if you open it. You might open it and see the first email and now nothing on the phone is telling you have other notifications you didn't look at.

Not user friendly at all. bad design

 

[James_Pauls]

EXACTLY why I don't FaceTwit. Thanks man, that made my night. :winktongue:

Android seems to train users that persistent, explicit, recurring notifications are required for any/every event. That bugs the snot out of me. I like to triage my stuff. Very little ephemera comes through. Not everything is immediately urgent, nor should it be. Aunt Sally's latest pics of little cousin Nicky, nah... Not so much.

The problem with this persistent, explicit, recurring stuff is that it forces you to keep running after the world. Aunt Sally, Tony from your childhood, your boss, your coworkers, the muffler shop, coupons from Burger King... Somewhere you have to draw a line. Our culture is trying to condition us to instantly respond to everything. That's insane. I refuse to feed into it.

I can manage my own priorities. I don't want - I down right refuse - to let my phone tell me that it is controlling my pace and my life. It's my phone. It isn't FaceTwit's phone. It isn't Aunt Sally's phone. It isn't Burger King's even if they want to save me $0.50 on a Whopper Jr meal. It's a tool for my convenience and communication. It should never be a goad.

The problem I have with this is that you want a phone that doesn't have features and you have built a belief system around it. Get an Android and you get better notifications and you can turn them on or off to however you desire. No need to have a bad notification system in an OS just for you cause you don't want to be notified.

Options people. Don't settle for less when you don't have to.

 

[libra89]

I'm sure we could just return it but then we'd loose out on the deal and all the accessories bought, my own doing of course, plus I'd like to have one just because "Mikey likes it" to a certain degree LOL.

I just read in the comments (2nd page as of this writing) on the "Lumia 950, 1 year later" article that if you are in Canada, MS would say that you are out of warranty so if you have any issues, exchanges might be hard and they advised for no one outside of the us to buy from MS. So it's up to you but with that, not sure if it would be worth it to keep.

 

[slivy58]

Update:
So far Microsoft's Support Team has been pretty decent but we're still in limbo as to how we are going to go about getting an exchange for my defunct 650, was suggested that I go to nearest store but that's a 4.5-5 hour (6+ winter roads) drive away not to mention the gas costs. They are looking into other alternatives for me so we sit and wait... This just enlightens the fact that now having limited resources to obtain a Windows Phone can become problematic, if it were my carrier or even a retailer far away my phone would have been there already for them to evaluate, whereas w/Microsoft this process isn't quite that easy even though I bought it through the online store. Can "return" through store but no avenue to exchange if the need arrases, such as in my case, other than visiting a physical store.

 

[libra89]

Update:
So far Microsoft's Support Team has been pretty decent but we're still in limbo as to how we are going to go about getting an exchange for my defunct 650, was suggested that I go to nearest store but that's a 4.5-5 hour (6+ winter roads) drive away not to mention the gas costs. They are looking into other alternatives for me so we sit and wait... This just enlightens the fact that now having limited resources to obtain a Windows Phone can become problematic, if it were my carrier or even a retailer far away my phone would have been there already for them to evaluate, whereas w/Microsoft this process isn't quite that easy even though I bought it through the online store. Can "return" through store but no avenue to exchange if the need arrases, such as in my case, other visiting a physical store.

Wow. :/ I hope that something can be figured out.

I agree about the limited resources thing, that does suck.

 

[RumoredNow]

Get an Android and you get better notifications and you can turn them on or off to however you desire.

Been there, done that. It bugged me A) how much dross I had coming up and B) how much I had to fiddle in settings to get things quieted down.

Apps that I want notifying me on W10M do so in detail. I think you might be running into overages... I.E. you have so many from an App that it resolves into a number and not the individual entries, or perhaps your settings are not tuned to your needs/desires. I have an IM client for work with multiple channels and I get dozens of individual, chase-able entries every hour because those people just cannot stop posting. The truly important stuff gets lost in a wave of blah blah blah yackety schmackety. It irks me, but I deal with it because job. I have an audible alert for direct pings and the rest I just swipe away as a category. If I swipe a single entry, another fills in from previously unactioned notifications waiting from that app. I still have the counter on my icons to remind me to look on MY time, not the App's time.

I find the settings quite granular.

System > Notifications & Actions > scroll down to the list of apps > tap an app title

• Notifications on or off
• Banners on or off
• Show in Action Center on or off
• Keep private on Lock Screen on or off
• Vibrate on or off
• Notification Sound is selectable
• Number Visible in Action Center (this is for how many detailed entries)
• Set a priority level for that app

There are a LOT of options and customizations for notifications at the OS level and within Apps.

In terms of what shows on the Lock Screen as icons, that is to help you triage and you put the most important items there. To say that everything is equally important might be your choice, but it makes little sense. How can the Twit from your cousin Little Nicky be as important at all times as the email from your boss who sets your work deadlines? You supplement by choosing to make things visible in Action Center, even on Lock Screen and you pull down the window shade and scroll away to your heart's content. If you want every alert/message/notification visible to one and all when your phone is locked, that is your look out. To need 100+ detailed FaceTwit notices on your lock screen baffles me. Why? Because you can? Surely every Social Media notification cannot be urgent, can it? I much prefer to only have to wade through what I need to when my phone is locked and save what I want to for when I have the time to unlock and triage further.

For detail, and selectability of what notifies in which ways and at what locations I don't see W10M lacking at all. The only difference, IMHO, is the nag factor. Android thrives on it, abounds with it and attempts to condition users to crave it. I don't want to be nagged incessantly by my devices. Tell me once and I'll adult it. Tell me twice and it is a waste of my time.

YMMV.

 

[slivy58]

Wow. :/ I hope that something can be figured out.

Me too, just might want to "jump ship" again :wink:

Actually was looking forward to using it this week, not the fastest kid on the block yet it did have some good qualities that made it a joy to use over my 830.

 

[James_Pauls]

Been there, done that. It bugged me A) how much dross I had coming up and B) how much I had to fiddle in settings to get things quieted down.

Apps that I want notifying me on W10M do so in detail. I think you might be running into overages... I.E. you have so many from an App that it resolves into a number and not the individual entries, or perhaps your settings are not tuned to your needs/desires. I have an IM client for work with multiple channels and I get dozens of individual, chase-able entries every hour because those people just cannot stop posting. The truly important stuff gets lost in a wave of blah blah blah yackety schmackety. It irks me, but I deal with it because job. I have an audible alert for direct pings and the rest I just swipe away as a category. If I swipe a single entry, another fills in from previously unactioned notifications waiting from that app. I still have the counter on my icons to remind me to look on MY time, not the App's time.

I find the settings quite granular.

System > Notifications & Actions > scroll down to the list of apps > tap an app title

• Notifications on or off
• Banners on or off
• Show in Action Center on or off
• Keep private on Lock Screen on or off
• Vibrate on or off
• Notification Sound is selectable
• Number Visible in Action Center (this is for how many detailed entries)
• Set a priority level for that app

There are a LOT of options and customizations for notifications at the OS level and within Apps.

In terms of what shows on the Lock Screen as icons, that is to help you triage and you put the most important items there. To say that everything is equally important might be your choice, but it makes little sense. How can the Twit from your cousin Little Nicky be as important at all times as the email from your boss who sets your work deadlines? You supplement by choosing to make things visible in Action Center, even on Lock Screen and you pull down the window shade and scroll away to your heart's content. If you want every alert/message/notification visible to one and all when your phone is locked, that is your look out. To need 100+ detailed FaceTwit notices on your lock screen baffles me. Why? Because you can? Surely every Social Media notification cannot be urgent, can it? I much prefer to only have to wade through what I need to when my phone is locked and save what I want to for when I have the time to unlock and triage further.

For detail, and selectability of what notifies in which ways and at what locations I don't see W10M lacking at all. The only difference, IMHO, is the nag factor. Android thrives on it, abounds with it and attempts to condition users to crave it. I don't want to be nagged incessantly by my devices. Tell me once and I'll adult it. Tell me twice and it is a waste of my time.

YMMV.

I'm not gonna type up a full reply to this at the moment but the lockscreen on Win10 Mobile is inferior to android and iOS. You might like it. But that doesn't mean that it is good. It's annoying and restricted.

 

[fatclue_98]

Been there, done that. It bugged me A) how much dross I had coming up and B) how much I had to fiddle in settings to get things quieted down.

Apps that I want notifying me on W10M do so in detail. I think you might be running into overages... I.E. you have so many from an App that it resolves into a number and not the individual entries, or perhaps your settings are not tuned to your needs/desires. I have an IM client for work with multiple channels and I get dozens of individual, chase-able entries every hour because those people just cannot stop posting. The truly important stuff gets lost in a wave of blah blah blah yackety schmackety. It irks me, but I deal with it because job. I have an audible alert for direct pings and the rest I just swipe away as a category. If I swipe a single entry, another fills in from previously unactioned notifications waiting from that app. I still have the counter on my icons to remind me to look on MY time, not the App's time.

I find the settings quite granular.

System > Notifications & Actions > scroll down to the list of apps > tap an app title

• Notifications on or off
• Banners on or off
• Show in Action Center on or off
• Keep private on Lock Screen on or off
• Vibrate on or off
• Notification Sound is selectable
• Number Visible in Action Center (this is for how many detailed entries)
• Set a priority level for that app

There are a LOT of options and customizations for notifications at the OS level and within Apps.

In terms of what shows on the Lock Screen as icons, that is to help you triage and you put the most important items there. To say that everything is equally important might be your choice, but it makes little sense. How can the Twit from your cousin Little Nicky be as important at all times as the email from your boss who sets your work deadlines? You supplement by choosing to make things visible in Action Center, even on Lock Screen and you pull down the window shade and scroll away to your heart's content. If you want every alert/message/notification visible to one and all when your phone is locked, that is your look out. To need 100+ detailed FaceTwit notices on your lock screen baffles me. Why? Because you can? Surely every Social Media notification cannot be urgent, can it? I much prefer to only have to wade through what I need to when my phone is locked and save what I want to for when I have the time to unlock and triage further.

For detail, and selectability of what notifies in which ways and at what locations I don't see W10M lacking at all. The only difference, IMHO, is the nag factor. Android thrives on it, abounds with it and attempts to condition users to crave it. I don't want to be nagged incessantly by my devices. Tell me once and I'll adult it. Tell me twice and it is a waste of my time.

YMMV.

Don't you just miss the days of unobtrusive, actionable notifications on webOS?

 

[xandros9]

Don't you just miss the days of unobtrusive, actionable notifications on webOS?

oh don't get me started!

 

[slivy58]

Right now notifications are the least of my worries, I'd take anything as long as we had a functional phone. :winktongue:

 

[slivy58]

Update... Finally after much self-intervention a new 650 should be making its way onto our door step, sometime in 2017 :unhappy:

Why am I unhappy? If W10M wasn't enough to kill off my remaining desire for the platform our initial 650 purchasing experience made sure to exterminate that which was left. A complete and utter sh*t show if you ask me, as of today nobody can find out what the deal is with my returned/defunct 650, appears now to be MIA as far as status goes... Suppose we should blame the holidays for this fiasco as an easy out. If it weren’t for the fact I stand to lose $100 on accessories purchased I’d have said keep the dam thing, either way this is my last WP :eck:

So much for a Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas… Yes this has turned me into a Grinch

 

[libra89]

Update... Finally after much self-intervention a new 650 should be making its way onto our door step, sometime in 2017 :unhappy:

Why am I unhappy? If W10M wasn't enough to kill off my remaining desire for the platform our initial 650 purchasing experience made sure to exterminate that which was left. A complete and utter sh*t show if you ask me, as of today nobody can find out what the deal is with my returned/defunct 650, appears now to be MIA as far as status goes... Suppose we should blame the holidays for this fiasco as an easy out. If it weren’t for the fact I stand to lose $100 on accessories purchased I’d have said keep the dam thing, either way this is my last WP :eck:

So much for a Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas… Yes this has turned me into a Grinch

Aw I'm sorry. I hope that this 650 will be better for you. Battery life aside, I am pleased with the package.

 

[slivy58]

Aw I'm sorry. I hope that this 650 will be better for you. Battery life aside, I am pleased with the package.

Thanks and we're hoping so too... My luck can't be that bad that we end up with another dud can it? :grin: