Some insights into Wacom > N-Trig change: Surface pro 3

[Reflexx]

I've used windows which is what it runs. His point about power settings is wrong. I mean, I guess if you're lazy and don't go to the main control panel or search for it, you won't find it. The advanced settings for power are not located in the modern side of the settings. But most people with above average knowledge of windows 8 should know that. I also really question the so called performance issues he's having. I use Photoshop and other advanced apps on my surface pro 2 and before that my surface pro with no problems. This guy is claiming problems on a machine that's even faster.

You do know that he had the previous Surface right? It's not like he's new to Windows 8.

And he's been talking directly to MS reps. You think they wouldn't mention anything?

 

[Reflexx]

Thanks for the post. I could see how that Start button could be an issue. I honestly wish the put the button on the side of Surface like on the opposite end of the volume rocker.

Yeah. Maybe like the Dell Venue 8 Pro.

It wasn't something I even thought about, but I could see how it could better a pain.

 

[Reflexx]

Yeah but if you have screen rotation on, you can just flip the tablet around and BAM the start button is on the left side. Easy fix.

You didn't read the article/blog post did you?

 

[anon(5445874)]

You didn't read the article/blog post did you?

I'm too busy, I just skimmed and read the main points. And I doubt he's talking directly to MS Reps. If he is and they couldn't guide him to the power settings, then they should be fired. If MS plopped a SP3 in front of me right now, I guarantee you I could change the power settings within 15 seconds.

 

[Huime]

Trying to think of a company that succeeded in the long run by refusing to sell their products... nope, can't.

Sorry dude, tech barrier is such a big thing in big money.

 

[Reflexx]

I'm too busy, I just skimmed and read the main points. And I doubt he's talking directly to MS Reps. If he is and they couldn't guide him to the power settings, then they should be fired. If MS plopped a SP3 in front of me right now, I guarantee you I could change the power settings within 15 seconds.

The guy is a pretty influential person in the game media industry. It's very likely that he's speaking directly to MS reps. As I said earlier, Penny Arcade is kind of a big deal.

And your simple solution was already tried. You'd knows if you read the blog posting that you are choosing to comment on.

Funny that you'll criticize people for being way or cautious about the product because of past experience, saying that they shouldn't be so skeptical until they've tried it.

Yet you're making assumptions about this guy's competence even though you haven't used the product, and instead you're making assumptions based on pay experiences with a different product.

 

[anon(5445874)]

The guy is a pretty influential person in the game media industry. It's very likely that he's speaking directly to MS reps. As I said earlier, Penny Arcade is kind of a big deal.

And your simple solution was already tried. You'd knows if you read the blog posting that you are choosing to comment on.

Funny that you'll criticize people for being way or cautious about the product because of past experience, saying that they shouldn't be so skeptical until they've tried it.

Yet you're making assumptions about this guy's competence even though you haven't used the product, and instead you're making assumptions based on pay experiences with a different product.

But yet the fact is, its easy to change the power management thing. And stop telling me how cool This guy is. I Don't care!

 

[manicottiK]

...its easy to change the power management thing.

Is it possible that you meant to write "it has been" rather than "it is"?

What the author wrote was this: "They have also removed the 'high performance' power option...Apparently this has something to do with the new quick wakeup abilities."

A quick search of that reveals that the Surface 3 supports Connected Standby, the feature that provides the "quick wakeup abilities." Connected Standby is a relatively new sleep level (at least in the x64 world) that lets the computer do some things (check mail, play music, etc.) while being otherwise asleep. Connected Standby has computers act much like smartphones do so that they are essentially always on, typically with the screen off and key tasks running only periodically.

Connected Standby computers also typically don't have the High Performance power profile. This makes sense in general because High Performance disables all of the power-saving features which Connected Standby computers expect. It may be even more important to prevent the deactivation of those features in the case of Surface 3 as there's likely a need to tightly control the thermal output characteristics of a device that cannot dissipate a lot of heat because it is so thin and has such a small fan.

 

[Reflexx]

But yet the fact is, its easy to change the power management thing. And stop telling me how cool This guy is. I Don't care!

It's not about how cool he is. It's that you're making conclusions about the author without knowing who he is AND without ever using the device.

Seems hypocritical considering the things you've said before about how artist should withhold their opinions until they get to use the device. Even if they had previous experience with N-trig.

I just think this is worse because you're making a conclusion about a person instead of being skeptical about a product. Makes sense, right?

 

[anon(5445874)]

I just think this is worse because you're making a conclusion about a person instead of being skeptical about a product. Makes sense, right?

Sorry, but the Surface team has my respect. I've owned 3 of their products A Surface RT, A Surface Pro and now a Surface Pro 2. These products are amazing and I'm constantly reading stuff writing by people like this guy or tech writers that make the machine sound like it's not good. They get it wrong a lot. So excuse me but I'll be skeptical over some guy I don't know anything about.

 

[Reflexx]

Sorry, but the Surface team has my respect. I've owned 3 of their products A Surface RT, A Surface Pro and now a Surface Pro 2. These products are amazing and I'm constantly reading stuff writing by people like this guy or tech writers that make the machine sound like it's not good. They get it wrong a lot. So excuse me but I'll be skeptical over some guy I don't know anything about.

Except that he did the Surface was pretty good...

It's probably a good idea to read something that you're going to comment on.

 

[anon(5445874)]

Except that he did the Surface was pretty good...

It's probably a good idea to read something that you're going to comment on.

I read enough of it to know that he's publicly complaining about some issues, that even fi they are real will probably be fixed with a firmware update and some new drivers. An i5 isn't going to slow down at that monitor size, odds are if this is a real problem it's a graphics card issue. And most likely a bug in the driver.

 

[Reflexx]

I read enough of it to know that he's publicly complaining about some issues, that even fi they are real will probably be fixed with a firmware update and some new drivers. An i5 isn't going to slow down at that monitor size, odds are if this is a real problem it's a graphics card issue. And most likely a bug in the driver.

Maybe you should just read it.

He's a Surface fan. He's been a big proponent of artists adopting the Surface into their professional pipelines. Improvements on hours it works for artists may actually be made partly because of feedback there he is giving the Surface team.

Then you could just say, "Whoops! My bad. I made an incorrect assumption about someone because I was thinking in defensive mode where I perceive all feedback as an attack."

 

[anon(5445874)]

Maybe you should just read it.

He's a Surface fan. He's been a big proponent of artists adopting the Surface into their professional pipelines. Improvements on hours it works for artists may actually be made partly because of feedback there he is giving the Surface team.

Then you could just say, "Whoops! My bad. I made an incorrect assumption about someone because I was thinking in defensive mode where I perceive all feedback as an attack."

Either you don't get my point or you are just ignoring it.

 

[anon(5445874)]

By the way, I read that review again. I am not changing my opinion of this guy. He's publicly saying they did not get things correct in the surface pro 3, when in reality most of the issues he has can be addressed in firmware updates. He also doesn't appear to be tech savvy at all. He blames the graphics performance on the CPU and not the GPU. He also talks like the command line like it's from some alien planet. And to be fair, programs like Photoshop are sometimes clunky on a fast i7 desktop PC with powerful graphics cards running it. I use Photoshop everyday, my desktop has an i7 with 16 gigs of ram and two Nivida Quadro cards. I still see some of those issues on that thing. He could have at least mentioned that Adobe has been working with Microsoft to create a touch version of Photoshop, but he did not. And maybe that version of Photoshop runs smoother on the SP3, but he didn't even bring it up. Overall I just don't think he was being fair in his review. He could have at least informed people that with updates the SP3 could be fixed. Instead he leaves an article that pretty much says don't buy this machine unless you like frustration.

 

[WillysJeepMan]

Maybe you should just read it.

He's a Surface fan. He's been a big proponent of artists adopting the Surface into their professional pipelines. Improvements on hours it works for artists may actually be made partly because of feedback there he is giving the Surface team.

Then you could just say, "Whoops! My bad. I made an incorrect assumption about someone because I was thinking in defensive mode where I perceive all feedback as an attack."

Don't bother. For some people, Microsoft can do no wrong...and anything less than 100% gushing praise is considered trolling. (for others <fill_in_tech_company_name_here> can do no wrong)

 

[anon(5445874)]

Don't bother. For some people, Microsoft can do no wrong...and anything less than 100% gushing praise is considered trolling. (for others <fill_in_tech_company_name_here> can do no wrong)

Are you paying attention here? In the post just above your post, I outlined my problems with the article. It's not that he wasn't 100% gushing with praise. It's he emphasized on negative issues that may be fixed upon the release of the surface pro 3, without telling people that. People are sometimes not that smart, if they read about a little quark in a product, they will assume the problem is there to stay. And back on you trying to make wild claims about 100%, just stop it. I've been quite vocal about MS fixing some things. Not sure if it needs to be said but... XBOX MUSIC.

 

[Reflexx]

Except he didn't emphasize the bad. He said that it was so great that it just made it that frustrating that it had little things wrong. It's sooo close to exactly what he wants.

He also said that MS is taking his input and is actively saying that they value the input. They are working on making things better.

So basically you say that you read the article, but you pretty much missed what was said in the article.

So maybe you should really read it this time, but without the mindset where you're only trying to look for ways to prove yourself right. You've misstated enough things from it to show that you really didn't make an effort to understand what the article was about.

It's a POSITIVE article that put many artists' concerns at ease a bit.

 

[anon(5445874)]

Except he didn't emphasize the bad. He said that it was so great that it just made it that frustrating that it had little things wrong. It's sooo close to exactly what he wants.

He also said that MS is taking his input and is actively saying that they value the input. They are working on making things better.

So basically you say that you read the article, but you pretty much missed what was said in the article.

So maybe you should really read it this time, but without the mindset where you're only trying to look for ways to prove yourself right. You've misstated enough things from it to show that you really didn't make an effort to understand what the article was about.

Sorry, but I'm done talking to you. You have an opinion, I have a different one. Lets not try to force each other to change.

 

[Reflexx]

Don't bother. For some people, Microsoft can do no wrong...and anything less than 100% gushing praise is considered trolling. (for others <fill_in_tech_company_name_here> can do no wrong)

I guess you're right. I tried.