Why is the Nokia Lumia 830 so expensive?

[psoham777]

There's nothing wrong in calling 830 what it is, overpriced.
Though I would hv liked 730/735 to have a dedicated camera button but wont count it as negative, its the best out there, I would personally recommend 730 to my friends n family.
you are right the only way WP can get marketshare is if ppl buy the phones, thats the reason we are shouting here for Ms to get the pricing right and also concentrate on its marketing.

If you are going to compare with Android you'll always find WP expensive. I've told this before the X30 series is launched at a cheaper price than the X20 series. Don't expect MS to reduce the prices of phones drastically. Also with this the upcoming series of Lumia phones say X40 serious would be definitely cheaper than X30 series. I know pricing of some phones is high, but in a few months it'll surely decrease.

 

[techiez]

I I've told this before the X30 series is launched at a cheaper price than the X20 series.

I remember this, but 830 is priced equal to 820, so you are wrong!

and so basically you are saying that users should not buy 830 now, but wait for a couple of months and by the time 830is cheaper 840 would be closer to launch so more wait and essentially nobody buys the phone

 

[tgp]

So why don't you have an android then? The only way windows phone can get market share is if people actually buy the phones. People like you are discouraging others to buy the 830. WP can never get a complete ecosystem if they don't have awkward. If they don't get market share, developers won't make apps. It seems that all you guys do is just complain. Just stick to your nexus 5.

Your question was:

That doesn't explain how people still buy the HTC One mini 2 that has specs but people only are complaining about the 830.

So if the reason I gave isn't good, what do you think the reason is?

For the record, I use both WP and Android. My signature is accurate at the moment. I happen to be quite familiar with both OS's and ecosystems. I have no love or hate for either. I look at it objectively.

If the 830 is a good device at a fair price, it will sell. If it's not, it won't. The market will determine that.

 

[colinkiama]

if you think you are doing a favor by not criticizing even bad decisions of MS then u r wrong.

All they did is price their phones similarly to other androids of the same range. All they need to do now is advertise their phones effectively. If there are people that can't afford it then there is the 730, 630, 530.

 

[techiez]

If you are going to compare with Android you'll always find WP expensive.

Thats the point man, how are they going to compete then, ppl say WP is not attracting OEMs and Ms cant price competitive which reputed OEM has joined WP other HTC with just one phone, Lumia 830 doesnt have another WP anywhere near it,

btw lets end it here,I'm anyways not buying any WP until W10 launches, L830 marketshare will prove either backers correct or us who say it is overpriced, correct.

 

[psoham777]

Your question was:

So if the reason I gave isn't good, what do you think the reason is?

For the record, I use both WP and Android. My signature is accurate at the moment. I happen to be quite familiar with both OS's and ecosystems. I have no love or hate for either. I look at it objectively.

If the 830 is a good device at a fair price, it will sell. If it's not, it won't. The market will determine that.

Android is too much popular so it will sell more compared to 830, even if 830 was priced cheaply & btw 830 is going to be a hit.

 

[techiez]

All they did is price their phones similarly to other androids of the same range. All they need to do now is advertise their phones effectively. If there are people that can't afford it then there is the 730, 630, 530.

530 has 4gb ram, and no front cam, Google with its Android one program is ready to tackle whatever small threat it has from WP, and MSon the other hand recognizes the issue and says it will take then 12-18months to take care of this pricing issue.
630 - how is it faring? without front cam it will not appeal to masses. thats why I say 730 is only the lone fighter out there.

 

[techiez]

Android is too much popular so it will sell more compared to 830, even if 830 was priced cheaply & btw 830 is going to be a hit.

Nokia still has significant brand reputation in India, competitive pricing and marketing blitz can do wonders for it, tech sites are already saying +ve things abt 830 but end up saying it is overpriced, and looking at Nokia's history ppl will not immediately buy these phones n prefer to wait so what MS is achieving by pricing 830 in such manner? you yourself are suggesting ppl to wait for sometime till price cuts happen

 

[techiez]

Android is too much popular so it will sell more compared to 830, even if 830 was priced cheaply & btw 830 is going to be a hit.

between Moto G and Nexus 5 there are no other worthy androids to buy, 830 at 23-24k would have hit the sweet spot

 

[psoham777]

I remember this, but 830 is priced equal to 820, so you are wrong!

and so basically you are saying that users should not buy 830 now, but wait for a couple of months and by the time 830is cheaper 840 would be closer to launch so more wait and essentially nobody buys the phone

But you have the offer to avail from snapdeal if someone is eager to buy it. So that would make it a lot cheaper. I remember that 820 didn't have any offers. Also I forgot to specify that 830 has a lot better specs. Say if not all phones, then at least most of the X30 phones are cheaper, which is a good sign.

840 is a long way to go, believe me. Its not gonna come out until march2015

 

[akoj]

No, isn't. Can we stop saying this?

I've tried FIFA 15 and GT Racing 2 and L735 performs slighty worse than Ativ S.

And regarding S400: something that is presented and priced like FLAGSHIP needs to have something more powerful.

 

[tgp]

All they did is price their phones similarly to other androids of the same range. All they need to do now is advertise their phones effectively. If there are people that can't afford it then there is the 730, 630, 530.

I see your point. But to most people Android is worth more than Windows Phone. It's better known and the ecosystem is more complete. A WP of the same range as an Android has to be price lower than Android to be the same value.

I think part of the problem is that most users here hate Google and/or Android and cannot comprehend how anyone could prefer Android over WP. But I don't need to tell you about the sales numbers. And Android continues to rise while WP drops.

 

[psoham777]

between Moto G and Nexus 5 there are no other worthy androids to buy, 830 at 23-24k would have hit the sweet spot

Not everyone go for Android. I know 830 is costly but just by saying that most of them will buy Android just because of pricing isn't exactly what I meant. There are many people for whom price doesn't matter, (mostly iPhone users) so definitely they can switch.

 

[colinkiama]

530 has 4gb ram, and no front cam, Google with its Android one program is ready to tackle whatever small threat it has from WP, and MSon the other hand recognizes the issue and says it will take then 12-18months to take care of this pricing issue.
630 - how is it faring? without front cam it will not appeal to masses. thats why I say 730 is only the lone fighter out there.

Yet the 630 is one of the top 3 windows phones in the world. OK then...

 

[techiez]

But you have the offer to avail from snapdeal if someone is eager to buy it. So that would make it a lot cheaper. I remember that 820 didn't have any offers. Also I forgot to specify that 830 has a lot better specs. Say if not all phones, then at least most of the X30 phones are cheaper, which is a good sign.

840 is a long way to go, believe me. Its not gonna come out until march2015

X40 will be W10 and long way to go I agree.

Frankly that snapdeal offer is useless. to avail the 6K discount you have to shop 6 times for 6 months, once every month and but fashion/home decor (and not electronics which ppl prefer to buy more) for Rs2100, do you seriously think its useful and that onedrive offer is simply useless. they are not even offering Nokia music subscriptions as they did with X20s

 

[techiez]

Yet the 630 is one of the top 3 windows phones in the world. OK then...

and whats it competing with? try comparing its numbers with #2 & #1

as per Adduplex Sep report 630 stands at 4th with 5.4% and 520 is #1 at 30.6%, huge gap and it tell something abt the pricing isnt it?
post 520 MS is struggling to get a right device with right pricing, thats what it says.

 

[psoham777]

Thats the point man, how are they going to compete then, ppl say WP is not attracting OEMs and Ms cant price competitive which reputed OEM has joined WP other HTC with just one phone, Lumia 830 doesnt have another WP anywhere near it,

btw lets end it here,I'm anyways not buying any WP until W10 launches, L830 marketshare will prove either backers correct or us who say it is overpriced, correct.

Well you are thinking too much ahead, I already said Android is too much popular, so if Lumia phones start beating up androids in the sales, well WP would already have more than 20% market share. So its definitely wrong to compare with the sales of androids. Forget about other people, you on the other hand are suggesting Moto g, nexus phones, so if wp users start recommending androids, with a good reason to buy them, how would WP sales increase? See if anyone doesn't like WP, its totally fine, but giving your thoughts on the name of other people not buying it is wrong.

I know 830 is too costly, but if someone who finds WP good enough can avail the offer from snapdeal or wait for 2-3 months for 830 to come down. There's no other option. Its just a business to launch a phone at a high price & decrease it after 2-3 months, Nokia has been doing that with every phone.

 

[techiez]

Well you are thinking too much ahead, I already said Android is too much popular, so if Lumia phones start beating up androids in the sales, well WP would already have more than 20% market share. So its definitely wrong to compare with the sales of androids. Forget about other people, you on the other hand are suggesting Moto g, nexus phones, so if wp users start recommending androids, with a good reason to buy them, how would WP sales increase? See if anyone doesn't like WP, its totally fine, but giving your thoughts on the name of other people not buying it is wrong.

I know 830 is too costly, but if someone who finds WP good enough can avail the offer from snapdeal or wait for 2-3 months for 830 to come down. There's no other option. Its just a business to launch a phone at a high price & decrease it after 2-3 months, Nokia has been doing that with every phone.

Saying Nexus5 & motoG are correctly priced doesnt men recommending them.you recommend phones to ppl when they fix their budgets, anybody willing to spend 12-15K will look at moto G to buy, my friend bought it a month back when there was no 730, I would have recommended a 730 but anybody who is alone n deciding to buy a phone will compare 730 n motog, look at specs n decide moto g is a better buy, even reviews of both phones will be good respectively.
Now if somebody is looking for a phone in 25-30K bracket I would recommend 925/1020 but not 830. since it is not value for money.

yes Nokia has been always pricing phones higher n then reducing the price, this entire thread is criticizing this particular strategy itself.

Motorola with just one model displaced Nokia from 4th place in a market where Nokia name still commands respect. thats called disruptive pricing and yes Nokia can regain marketshare over android with good pricing and marketing strategy.

 

[psoham777]

Saying Nexus5 & motoG are correctly priced doesnt men recommending them.you recommend phones to ppl when they fix their budgets, anybody willing to spend 12-15K will look at moto G to buy, my friend bought it a month back when there was no 730, I would have recommended a 730 but anybody who is alone n deciding to buy a phone will compare 730 n motog, look at specs n decide moto g is a better buy, even reviews of both phones will be good respectively.
Now if somebody is looking for a phone in 25-30K bracket I would recommend 925/1020 but not 830. since it is not value for money.

yes Nokia has been always pricing phones higher n then reducing the price, this entire thread is criticizing this particular strategy itself.

Are you kidding me? Recommending 1020/925? I would like to tell you the official price if 1020 is still more than ₹43k. 925 has the price around ₹28k. Older phones were good, but they still have dual core processors, low memory(925). I still can't understand why you hate 830 so much. I understand its costly but recommending a person other phone who could buy an 830, I don't see your point there. Nokia has been pricing only a few phones costly not all of them.

 

[techiez]

Are you kidding me? Recommending 1020/925? I would like to tell you the official price if 1020 is still more than ₹43k. 925 has the price around ₹28k. Older phones were good, but they still have dual core processors, low memory(925). I still can't understand why you hate 830 so much. I understand its costly but recommending a person other phone who could buy an 830, I don't see your point there. Nokia has been pricing only a few phones costly not all of them.

1020 is selling for 28K on flipkart, who cares what the official price is and btw isnt it better that u r getting a phone for 28 k whose "official" price is 42k, between 1020 n 830 at same price I would choose 1020.
and as for 830 I think its sexiest WP till now. but I disagree with its current pricing and may be u can say that I'm angry at stupidity of MS at the pricing.
Indian consumer is really price sensitive, it doesnt mean we are not willing to spend more, but just that we want value for money, 830 isnt. can 730 & 830 generate same frenzy as a motoG or Xiaomi? they should hv adopted such strategy.