Why is the Nokia Lumia 830 so expensive?

[Exoma]

The $299 US price I expect for AT&T is a locked price (but off contract). I'm fine with locked, because I use AT&T. "Locked" phones can still be used on MVNOs as long as you are on the right parent network, so it's hardly a constraint, imo.

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[Laion]

I think Van Damme knocked out all the other arguments about if "my father is stronger than your father" (specs of my phone are better than specs of your phone).
For me only thing that matters is the overall usability. For me WP has enough apps and some of them are more beautiful than the apps on my iPad.
One thing I value a lot in Lumia phones has not been mentioned in this thread, which I used every day during my 5 weeks trip to South America, are the offline navigation and offline maps on my L820. They helped me a lot when I was moving around in big cities like Sao Paulo in Brazil. I didn't have to pay for the expensive data roaming to be able to navigate in the countries I visited. I think these features should be taken into account when considering the price of Lumia phones. For me they have very high economical and practical value.

 

[kj_wp]

These all are good arguments. I've been frustrated with WP phone pricing in general in US, especially unlocked unbranded versions.

I agree that $400 is high. Also a $299 US off contract price is reasonable.

They are lots of factors though. In the US the carriers are the customers. There are (much) less US unlocked branded phones.

The BLU win HD for example. Yes I know you can buy unbranded unlocked for US but those volumes are much lower and usually these device are (Latin) America markets but sold in US.

I really like the Lumina 1320 RM-995. This device at release was near $400. It is now $30 (as low as $270). What's REALLY frustrating the US carrier Cricket, sells it for $229 but is branded and locked. It's the same exact spec as the Latin America version RM-995. So unlike other variants of devices, Cricket has reduced the price dramatically but no hw changes except firmware.

I personally like the 830 features like removable battery, size, pureview camera. It has great balance of features. But today I can purchase a 1520 RM-938 for $490 new. Also a inexpensive flagship 830 will not support all the demin features but a 1 year old device (1520) will. So when the US unbranded unlocked version is available, I would only buy if it was at least less than $350. For $150 more I could get the 1520 with additional features and possibly better support for next version of WP.

The removable battery option is the one option I would pay more for. Loosing a phone to water damage because you can't remove battery is disappointing

 

[Bodeanicus]

Canada doesn't have the 930 or 1520.

The Windows Phone situation in Canada is disgusting...

Carriers only carry the Lumia 520 and 635.

Those are the only models anyone will buy off contract in North America.

 

[Yazen]

Why are you comparing a mid ranger of 2014 to a flagship of 2012?
I mean what is happening with these comparisons??
Of course the ~3 year old flagship will be cheaper than this. Also the S3 won't even get new updates due to hardware limitations,whereas the 830 is guaranteed to get Windows 10.
Let me tell this too, if you or anyone else think that the S400 is weaker or not powerful,its wrong. It's way powerful than the dual core S4 on the 920,925 etc.
It's faster in taking pictures heck the 630 is way faster than 920 in taking pics.
The OS is super smooth and with Lumia Denim,things get way great.
The rest is up to you but to say that why a 2012 phone is cheaper than a 2014 phone is just stupid. No offense btw

It is replies like these that annoy me. Snapdragon 400 includes an inferior processor.
Right now the Galaxy S3 would in fact be a more attractive purchase at half the price. XDA has a wonderful and talented community, and the S3 is sure to have longer appreciation than Microsoft for its Lumia 830.

If the Lumia 925 is any indication of Microsoft's willingness to provide support for their products, I would definitely suggest the S3. Sure you'll get Windows 10. If they continue to play this charade you'll wish you hadn't.................

 

[hasasimo]

It is replies like these that annoy me. Snapdragon 400 includes an inferior processor.
Right now the Galaxy S3 would in fact be a more attractive purchase at half the price. XDA has a wonderful and talented community, and the S3 is sure to have longer appreciation than Microsoft for its Lumia 830.

If the Lumia 925 is any indication of Microsoft's willingness to provide support for their products, I would definitely suggest the S3. Sure you'll get Windows 10. If they continue to play this charade you'll wish you hadn't.................

You'd also get a hideous looking device with terrible battery life, an inferior camera, and slower, laggier performance by choosing an S3 over a Lumia 830.

 

[Yazen]

You'd also get a hideous looking device with terrible battery life, an inferior camera, and slower, laggier performance by choosing an S3 over a Lumia 830.

That is not true. Appearance is subjective obviously. Inferior camera? How long until Microsoft borks the camera like they did with the 82x/92x?

Auto mode almost always takes a superior and faster shot on the S3.

Laggy? Are you a jester or a fool? ;P

 

[prasath1234]

That is not true. Appearance is subjective obviously. Inferior camera? How long until Microsoft borks the camera like they did with the 82x/92x?

Auto mode almost always takes a superior and faster shot on the S3.

Laggy? Are you a jester or a fool? ;P

I agree with you Lumia 820 takes worst pictures compared to my friends
Redmi 1S in indoors.Every pictures indoor has greenish tinge nd it is worst.am amazed at the camera capabilities of Chinese phone compared to so called carl Zeiss optics
Am for sure Nokia degraded Lumia 820 already subpar camera with poor post processing algorithm.

 

[Deepak]

Soooooooo huge replies out here!
Your country levies great import duties and taxes on the devices and hence, you get it a higher price - as simple as that! :eck:

Not more than 3 weeks have passed since the Lumia 830 had launched in India for $470 and now it's price has dipped to $425!! Wait to get it for a lesser price!

 

[Tellus82]

Why not buy an Android device if the 830 seems expensive for you, im sure you can find a 4G LTE device with OIS, DD+ 5.1 recording, decent removable battery, expandable storage, Gorilla glass 3, touchscreen that supports the use of gloves, NFC, display mirroring over USB and wifi, wireless chargning and so on and so forth. Can you find more powerfull devices for less money, yep, can you find more features for less money? good fing luck... This device is not intended to be the most powerfull, it is however intended to give the features from the "flagships" at a reasonable price.

And prices will drop, this has been true for nearly every phone released thus far and i see no reason why it would not be so with this one.

 

[hasasimo]

That is not true. Appearance is subjective obviously. Inferior camera? How long until Microsoft borks the camera like they did with the 82x/92x?

Auto mode almost always takes a superior and faster shot on the S3.

Laggy? Are you a jester or a fool? ;P

Oh c'mon, Samsung fired design heads over how ugly their mobile products are. We both know there's a night and day difference in both the design and build quality of the devices mentioned. Have you used an 830? If you think the S3's performance is faster or less laggy by comparison I really don't know what to tell you. You'd probably be the only one that thinks that that owns or has used a Lumia 830.

Faster shot? Maybe... although that'll likely change when Lumia Camera is released. Superior shot? Lol!

And once again... much worse battery life on the S3.

 

[colinkiama]

I don't understand you guys. Microsoft is basically giving you the 930 mini. Compare the one m8 mini, galaxy minis, even the 5s.moto G may have the same chipset but you have to remember there is a 730/735 to compete with that. This is competing with mini flagship phones. Instead of crying other the price, wait for the price to go down. It always happens with lumias

 

[Yazen]

Oh c'mon, Samsung fired design heads over how ugly their mobile products are. We both know there's a night and day difference in both the design and build quality of the devices mentioned. Have you used an 830? If you think the S3's performance is faster or less laggy by comparison I really don't know what to tell you. You'd probably be the only one that thinks that that owns or has used a Lumia 830.

Faster shot? Maybe... although that'll likely change when Lumia Camera is released. Superior shot? Lol!

And once again... much worse battery life on the S3.

I think they are ugly, however that's subjective. Look at the average consumer, beats are a fashion statement lol.

S3 is very smooth off stock.

830 is not a DSLR, the whole idea is to point, shoot, upload. The image processing on the S3 is far more pleasant, and looks better on mobiles.

"Maybe... although that'll likely change when Lumia Camera is released."
Sure hope so.

At launch the 830 does not bring anything extraordinary to the market. Its a beauty no doubt, but at more than twice the price in this economy?

Tough sell, and Microsoft's advertising doesn't help.

 

[Yazen]

I don't understand you guys. Microsoft is basically giving you the 930 mini. Compare the one m8 mini, galaxy minis, even the 5s.moto G may have the same chipset but you have to remember there is a 730/735 to compete with that. This is competing with mini flagship phones. Instead of crying other the price, wait for the price to go down. It always happens with lumias

I understand what you are getting at, though the Z3 compact makes more sense.

830 to me is another Sega Saturn. Great device, yet irrelevant. An awkward fit for people already using 82x/92x devices. Lumia fans who own the 92x already will likely wait, and the 830 does not have as much potential with Microsoft's amazing advertisements and priorities. MS announced WP10 too early.. Yup, another Sega Saturn haha.

Hope there is a strong market for this device, but its a tough sell for a 'smart buyer'/current owner

 

[Tellus82]

I understand what you are getting at, though the Z3 compact makes more sense.

830 to me is another Sega Saturn. Great device, yet irrelevant. An awkward fit for people already using 82x/92x devices. Lumia fans who own the 92x already will likely wait, and the 830 does not have as much potential with Microsoft's amazing advertisements and priorities. MS announced WP10 too early.. Yup, another Sega Saturn haha.

Hope there is a strong market for this device, but its a tough sell for a 'smart buyer'/current owner

You realise this phone was never intended to make 920 users swap their phone right? Also how on this earth can you even begin to compare an S3 with the 830? They are worlds apart in design and software and please, stop calling the S3 smooth because thats about as far from the truth as you can go. And you have the stoumach to call the S3's image taking better, right, have you ever seen an S3? Right now you are the one person in pretty much the world that thinks highly of an S3, so highly infact that you think it's a better device then the 830, you must be joking...

 

[Wall-SWE]

ATM the 830 cost more than the 930 in Sweden. Its insane...

 

[Tellus82]

ATM the 830 cost more than the 930 in Sweden. Its insane...

Well to be exact about it they have the exact same price, (3490 at elgiganten for 930 vs 3490 at MS store for 830, 830 can also be had at 3390 but with added shipping). Point is the 930 is on sale, and a good one at that and it has been on the market for a while with low sales, the 830 is just released so all retailers tend to start prices at above recommended price (it's MS that sells the cheapest atm) to then later drop them, they do this because they know a portion of the people buying them will do so even at a slightly higher cost at the start just to get it a bit faster. It's the same with nearly all electronics being sold in sweden.

Mind you im not saying this is a good thing, it's just the way it's worked for some time.

 

[bo_woods]

I agree it IS OVERPRICED!! NEVER should the lumia 830 cost roughly $450 full price when the 930 costs roughly $470 full price on amazon!This pricing completely defeats the purpose of buying it...why buy an 830 when i can get a 930 for $20 more...

 

[Yazen]

I think I would want the 930 faster, considering it is only $20 more lmfao..

 

[Ankit Ruhela]

It might have the same exact h/w, that's cause you point it out, i have not really checked into it.

Let's make it easy for you to understand, a 1993 car model, a Sedan to be precise, might have some specs to it, and a 2014 hatchback might have almost identical specs to that 1993 model.

you'll get that 1993 model for X money-(put in your currency), and the 2014 model for X times 0.5 money-(put in your currency). Now, will you compare their more than similar specs in 2014?

The answer is a flat NO! The reason is simple, the 1993 model cost you 2X money-(put in your currency) in 1993, but you get the 2014 model in 0.5X money-(put in your currency) in 2014.

you should compare the price at the launch of a product, not after 2 years of it. It's only logical to do so!

and btw, FYI, the Lumia 830 has the slimmest OIS module, integrated NFC capabilities, a pure-view 10MP carl-zeiss camera with a f2.2 aperture, qi wireless charging and comes integrated with the best mapping systems you can get on a smartphone. The s3 on the other hand, maybe a flagship, but was a rather a ****ed up phone with one of the worst android UIs ever made!

Hope that clears and sums it up for you!