Why Microsoft doesn't get it..

[msnawe]

Bb10 a feature phone? Lol. You must be confused with bb7.. bb10 and Jolla are way more modern than anything else, even tizen is more modern.

What bb10 doesn't have is an ecosystem with overdrive. Etc..

What made wp win market share is more the low cheap Lumias + consumers knowing Microsoft won't go bust.

Blackberry had tough financial condition and went to compete on high end. This is why they lost market share despite a better OS.

if wp wants to pour more money on a losing horse, so be it...



As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.

 

[EasilyTheBest]

What made wp win market share is more the low cheap Lumias + consumers knowing Microsoft won't go bust.

Blackberry had tough financial condition and went to compete on high end. This is why they lost market share despite a better OS.

if wp wants to pour more money on a losing horse, so be it...

What are you going on about, how many ppl who bought a Windows Phone thought, "oh I will buy a Lumia Phone as I know Microsoft won't go bust!"

Yes theres been cheap Lumia phones but here in the UK the cheap Lumia phones are outnumbered 10 to 1 by the stupidly cheap Android phones.

Losing horse? Do you read other ppls posts.
Microsoft is doing great in most of Europe!
They are close to beating Apples Market share in some countries, what have you got to say about that. Microsoft should give up?
Check out the numbers!

 

[msnawe]

All the countries where Microsoft is supposedly doing well, have been stabilizing or declining in market share this year.

Microsoft have released an high end phone in ages, until the 950 comes for w10. But have released dozens of low end, hence showing how it didn't go after Apple. It would take a number of lumias to make up the same profit as a single iPhone. So much for market share.

gumtree in the UK, or ebay , and equivalent in France are loaded with people reselling their lumia within a year. So much for an iphone or Android competitor.

I did buy a lumia because it was dual SIM. A 640xl released this year. But I had to return it after 2 days. It's spec and performance
is actually comparable to my 2 years old z30.

Just with my z30, email, and communication is a breeze. The UI flows... I did miss the tiles but only because they look nice, not that are more functional.




As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.

 

[bhtkb]

Uh... there are more apps in the IOS and Android space because MSFT came late to the party, not because of the UI. And MSFT seems to be doing just fine in europe?

Yeah, that's definitely a right argument. But we can't ignore the fact after 5 years of being in the market, some larger app makers are not very interested on the platform, either no apps or ones that gets no updates. There may be something MSFT is doing wrong. And I wanna add that app count is not a good metric to me to compare ecosystems, it's the quality and diversity of apps.

 

[Smokin44]

I think the premise of this thread is wrong - finally Microsoft DOES get it.

It is ALL about the eco-system, the work-flow, the connected devices through our lives. Sure, some hardware or features of an OS or handset may be impressive, but something major would have to happen for somebody today to give up their eco-system, for another.

MSFT has the best eco-system in the history of PC's. Windows. It has finally realized that is the strongest assett it owns, and there is no real competitor.

There are too many devices, too many options. I have owned an Ipad (air) - the thing is a toy. A big phone. People in todays world dont want to own a phone, a wearable, a tablet, a laptop/desktop pc then more than likely drive a pc/laptop in their work environment etc.

The surface to me is just a fantastic device. It replaces 3 of the the options (tablet/laptop/desktop) and going forward, can merg into and thus replace the phone/become a phone etc. This is extremely powerful. I can watch movies when I want to, do serious work when I need to.

I dont need to sell the Surface here, but IMHO its success is why MSFT should press hard. Technology is nearing a point where the power of a PC can be found something the size of todays phone. Only MSFT can really capitalize on this, Mac to a lesser extent.

All previous WP are now irrelevant, because MSFT finally gets it. WP will work, when WP is Windows. And Windows is WP/Tablet/PC etc. If they do it correctly and are seamless, then the whole landscape has changed again.

 

[msnawe]

PC sales are at their lowest but worse even w10 is here too late. The future is the PC in the cloud. And it doesn't matter then whether it's logging in via a surface or an iPad.


As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.

 

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

Msnawe we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think we're ever going to have the same viewpoint on this.

 

[hapishyguy]

No thanks. I prefer Windows 10 to BB10. Isn't Blackberry ditching BB10 in favor of Android with the Priv? You might be waiting a while for that BB10 with dual SIM.

Oh please not again. BlackBerry is not going to ditch BB10. BB10 is going to be there because of corporate security. BB10 is the only platform for utmost corporate security. Its just that its going to have less development means less workforce and thus less updates because corporate users would only be concerned for work use.
BlackBerry is bringing android in Priv to compete the handset market so that can be a little profitable in the handset market. Since android is not their platform they do not need a lot of resources to maintain it.

 

[CygnusOrion]

I think MS gets it very well. The only thing left is to get developers on board with universal apps and get mobile payment solution.

 

[Implement]

Windows 10 Mobile wins if they get Android and IoS apps working, AND allow people to sideload them if the developers do not "officially" put them on the Store.

I don't think people realize how huge that is.

A mobile operating system that can run UWP apps, IOS apps, and Android apps.

Once people become aware of that, we win.

Google and Apple will never do this. Apple especially.

 

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

AND allow people to sideload them if the developers do not "officially" put them on the Store.

No. If people are able to sideload them even more companies won't bother to put them in the store. Why bother when they want to see Windows Phone fail and people can get their apps anyhow?

 

[elindalyne]

Sideloading isn't really key... Just the fact that iOS/Android devs get access to not only the W10 Mobile marketshare, but also the W10 desktop and XBox market share with little work should make it a no brainer in terms of getting new apps in.

 

[muvig]

PC sales are at their lowest but worse even w10 is here too late. The future is the PC in the cloud. And it doesn't matter then whether it's logging in via a surface or an iPad.


As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.

Well, surrendering or rather putting everything in someone's hands! If you are switched off you loose everything! Or if there is no internet, no access to your data, as for me I would rather have that pc as long as it takes until the day they stopped manufacturing them, cloud is good as long as you are in good books with the provider and have money.
A gudget which less depend on internet is good for me,
Ms is forcing itself on US market or I would put it this way, Ms is forcing itself on someone who has been hardwired to see an iphone as the only best phone you ought to have. Most of these guys don't make assessment for themselves but follow the crowd like sheep to the slaughter.

 

[msnawe]

Sideloading android apps is something bb10 have had for 2 years.

it helps the user, many apps work well but it surrenders the users to google. Developer won't bother porting apps to windows store if they don't see the need to. Currently few see the need to.

universal apps is mostly useful for developers who are already targeting the desktop and would like to have the same app on mobile. It might work. But if they want it on Windows phone, they will want it on iPhone and Android.

So they may just choose another route. Especially if they can sideload.

I don't see how w10 isn't going the same route as bb10,



As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.

 

[CygnusOrion]

Windows 10 Mobile wins if they get Android and IoS apps working, AND allow people to sideload them if the developers do not "officially" put them on the Store.

I don't think people realize how huge that is.

A mobile operating system that can run UWP apps, IOS apps, and Android apps.

Once people become aware of that, we win.

Google and Apple will never do this. Apple especially.

The average person will not sideload iOS apps. This is a power-user feature only. This does not help the platform at all. What helps is iOS developers porting their apps over to Windows 10 universal apps.

 

[Smokin44]

PC sales are at their lowest but worse even w10 is here too late. The future is the PC in the cloud. And it doesn't matter then whether it's logging in via a surface or an iPad.

No doubt MSFT has been late to the party, and given many little reason to 'upgrade' pc's (more accurately pc software).

If the future is the cloud, MSFT is as well placed as any. But the future is more about how you will interact with your devices/work flow - sure, its in the cloud, but that isnt the answer. You are not doing serious work on an Ipad or Android.

 

[msnawe]

I have a windows 8.1 tablet and I am not doing serious work with it.

I have a bb10 z30 and I sometimes do serious work with it ;-)

Well to be honest, nothing will beat a laptop or a MacBook in terms of ergonomics


As soon as there is a BlackBerry 10 dual SIM, I fully quit Android.

 

[gadgetebz]

I think Blackberry should produce Android Phones to gain market share and they should also produce WM10 phones and bundle with continiuum docks for their enterprise customers...

 

[paul simong]

waiting for the next move of microsoft on this.

 

[Ten Four]

BB may have its strengths and its loyal fans, but it is even more irrelevant than Windows phone in the enterprise market today. I can't remember the last time I saw a BB handset, even in a business setting. I view stats all the time that indicate what OS is being used by professionals and BB barely registers--it is probably much less with the general public. IOS dominates among business/professionals, and Android is a far distant second. If Microsoft is to make inroads in the business/professional phone market they have to appeal to iOS users and/or provide software that will work on iOS, which appears to be what their strategy is. Android may be for the masses, but in the enterprise it is iOS, and that is also where all the profits are in phones.