Will Windows Phone continue to avoid to make a File Manager?

[jhoff80]

Oh yeah? Try it.

Edit: To clarify. The only PDFs that show up in the Office hub are those which are on Skydrive (or maybe Office 365/SharePoint).

 

[marcomura]

PDF found via web (opened with PDF Reader for instance) are not saved on the Office hub.
And PDF Reader allows to share them only through skydrive (upload to skydrive then share the link).

As far as I know, there is no way to attach a pdf found via web in an email... and this is just stupid.

 

[berty6294]

dude and guess what, open up your task manager and guess what's always running a process.... Windows Explorer. And yeh you can block apps from accessing the file manager, but guess what, computers don't get virus's on their own, its ALWAYS user error! It's ridiculous to argue this, because it takes a ridiculous amount of energy to create a manager with such little return. Especially if they need to handicap the whole god dam thing to "try" to make it secure and efficient. It's just stupid.

 

[ChMar]

Oh yeah? Try it.

Edit: To clarify. The only PDFs that show up in the Office hub are those which are on Skydrive (or maybe Office 365/SharePoint).

I'm not talking BS here. This is what I do daily. I have documents on my phones (pdf files included). I have them on skydrive and I have them downloaded from the internet and from email attachment and I can share them with no problem.

So test this more with the following simple procedure. Connect your phone to your pc. Copy with windows explorer a pdf to your phone. It will show in office hub under places in phone. share it from there to see that it works.
Send yourself an email with pdf attachment. Open the attachment (click on it in the email app). Now you will see your file in office hub under places in email section. You can share it from there.

 

[marcomura]

@ChMar
Just because there is one scenario covered, it doesn't mean all scenarios are covered.
Why don't you tell me how can I attach this pdf http://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/IntelProcessorHistory.pdf using ONLY your phone?

 

[berty6294]

Just for reference. Windows Explorer uses 17.1 MB to run in the background for me. Netflix in the background uses .8, Twitter .5, Instapic .5, and Sports .8.

 

[jhoff80]

PDF attachments do not show in the Email section of the Office hub.

Also, yes. You're right, I hadn't considered the ridiculous notion of downloading a PDF to my PC so that I could connect a wire to my Windows Phone so that I could transfer the PDF to the phone to send in an email. How silly of me. :wink:

 

[jhoff80]

dude and guess what, open up your task manager and guess what's always running a process.... Windows Explorer.

Are you serious? explorer.exe isn't just the file explorer, it's the whole user shell. That's not the file manager that's open and in memory, it's Windows.

 

[berty6294]

PDF attachments do not show in the Email section of the Office hub.

Also, yes. You're right, I hadn't considered the ridiculous notion of downloading a PDF to my PC so that I could connect a wire to my Windows Phone so that I could transfer the PDF to the phone to send in an email. How silly of me. :wink:

how bout you just email the link of the PDF instead of wanting to download it and then send it. Save the step, its not like you're creating PDF's with your phone!

 

[Dheeraj Sukumaran]

For the love of god this thread needs to die. File manager will create security issues and will dramatically slow down the phones performance. If you want to open a .rar file on your phone and then share to your computer, why don't you just open your email on your computer to begin with?

yes we can do it on computer... but what if there is no such option at the time we need it... see i'm just saying all the conditions... if this happens, there are other smartphone platforms that fulfills the issue and windows phone does not... i'm saying if the windows phone is trying to compete in the smartphone market, it should full fill all the requirements..... and what about whatsapp issue.. atleast windows can provide access to our files for such necessary apps so that we can share and moreover save audio and videos others send....

 

[Dheeraj Sukumaran]

It's just ridiculous. A file manager isn't going to be continuously resident in memory to slow down the performance. Like any other app, it would only be open when explicitly opened by the user or called by a file picker API. If you're going to say that is going to slow down your phone, well then you shouldn't install any applications at all because they have the same effect.

And a security risk? Again, not if done properly. Applications can still be sandboxed even with a file manager included. Not all applications should have permission to even touch the file structure, and none of them should have administrator privileges to touch system files and folders (hint, this is how Windows 8 does it too). For all I care, do it the same way that webOS did and Android does by default-only give me access to a USB drive 'partition'... aka the spare storage that isn't taken up by system files and apps.

The point is that the OS is currently limiting what you can do with files to a fault. Skydrive (and worse, each developer having to manually implement that into their app, instead of a common file picker API that gives Skydrive support, like in Windows 8) simply does not make up for major missing functionality.

exactly what you said... each app can have its own sandbox even with a filemanager implemented thus security still intact

 

[amorenod]

Explorer.exe as proof of why a file manager on the phone would consume resources? Picardfacepalm.jpg or something

 

[Dheeraj Sukumaran]

But of course you can ))). I see this every time and I can't understand what is so hard for people to understand. You have hubs. Pictures and videos are in 1 hub. Wan't to share them via email (meaning attach it) go to that hub and share your image/video.
For audio content you have music hub. Want to attach to email go there and share via email.
So you solved problems for audio and video content. Rest of files are considered to be documents. So for your pdf go to office hub that manages your documents and share your damn pdf (share it by email meaning you send it as email attachment).

So stop using false informations like you cant attach an pdf to an email to try justify your personal need for a file browser because the current 3 hubs way of storing all types of files allows everyone to share their downloaded and captured files. For any other type of file that is there the app should either support file extension in office hub or allow directly from the app the option of sharing.

dude... just download a pdf from internet in mobile and try sharing or attaching it..... then you will understand

 

[bilzkh]

32,000 people engaged with this thread in some form, either as direct participants or as readers. If I were MS that alone would warrant a native file manager.

 

[Geddeeee]

You don't need a file manager on WP OS.

As has been pointed out, hubs are for associated file types.

As for the .PDF thing, just e-mail the link TO the pdf file. Why e-mail the whole file?? The link will do the same thing, and save a load of data too....

 

[Dheeraj Sukumaran]

You don't need a file manager on WP OS.

As has been pointed out, hubs are for associated file types.

As for the .PDF thing, just e-mail the link TO the pdf file. Why e-mail the whole file?? The link will do the same thing, and save a load of data too....

link to the pdf??? what are you saying.... there are many other needs..... just think you downloaded a PDF on mobile from somewhere and when you get back home you need to send it to computer..... not all people will have access to net all the time for downloading on computer again and what if this PDF was received via bluetooth??? there is nothing to do...... and so skydrive is not a perfect solution as well..... if this is a smartphone, then it should be smart in all ways.... this lack of propoer file system is resulting in the whatsapp audio-video upload and save issue...... this file sharing is a necessity... the only thing is we can also adjust without it, by finding alternatives... but why do so when there are other platforms that enables us......... dont misunderstand.. i love my windows phone very much and i wont switch to other platform, but these things really bug me.........

 

[m3kk]

You don't need a file manager on WP OS.

As has been pointed out, hubs are for associated file types.

As for the .PDF thing, just e-mail the link TO the pdf file. Why e-mail the whole file?? The link will do the same thing, and save a load of data too....

Yeah..when I apply for a job on the fly I will deff link to my SkyDrive xD like that's going to happen.

Why don't they just do windows phone more...windows? Android is more like windows ..just saying

 

[diktea]

Okok experts, users, consumers alike there is never going to be an end to this, these types of threats were discussed enough and more when WP8 came out and votings were done...where those who want vastly outnumbered those who dont want...

Anyway, i was the one who wanted file manager .... i still do but what i prefer more now is that if all the 'downloading apps' (apps that download or have attachments like Whatsapp videos, audios; youtube downloaded files etc) can store the downloaded files in the common wp library (which can be accessed through appropriate app and share it freely , also can be accessed through Desktop windows). that will solve 90% of my problem

 

[csjjjjjjjjjjj]

Why bother with a file manager? WP8 already has THREE of them with varying functionality (more if you count email). 1) SkyDrive can access the cloud, 2) Office hub can access files in your local 'Documents' folder (phone only, not sdcard), and 3) Media hub can access your sdcard (media files only folks, thank you).

I'm joking, of course. Point is, its a learning experience for those that buy WP8 and, overall, seems fragmented.

Most people are okay with files existing behind a secure API (i.e. as Office hub already functions). They just want a consistent way to download, read, write, stream, rename, move, and organize...

SkyDrive is the best candidate for the job. Please, urge Microsoft to add local file browsing to SkyDrive (equal to Office hub, but with access to sdcard as well) so this thread can finally die.:crying:

 

[pengfoong]

Most people don't want a file manager in a traditional sense and just wants something like this.

File Manager
- Photos

- folder 1 (album 1)​

- folder 2 (album 2)​

- Music

- folder 1 (album 1)​

- folder 2 (album 2)​

- Video

- folder 1​

- folder 2​

- Documents

- folder 1​

- folder 2​

- Current application's app data folder (like what we have now).

They just want to be able to see these folders in apps. They don't want to access to any system folders, just these folders.

There are a lot of people that don't live in the US. They do have data plan but the quota is very small and it's expensive. It is not an option to upload it to skydrive.

Furthermore, if you can upload it to skydrive and download it from another app(provided the app can access skydrive), the app will access to the file anyway.