Windows Phone it's not the right choice for the people after all.

[Ian Too]

Do you consider yourself to be an average or regular smartphone user? Simply using a windows phone relegates you from being a regular person ��
Being a 3% demographic isn't regular

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There is no virtue in following the herd.

 

[tangledW]

Call it funny if you will. The fact remains however that if you're into social media then its better to use Android or iOS. Saying that Windows Facebook is comparable to Androids is deceptive. If your using restricted data sure it might be good for you. If not then its a terrible app. No reply commenting is a big letdown. Messenger has no voice or video calls.
You may scoff at Snapchat, but the average consumer doesn't. I don't even use Snapchat and I know this. A cursory glance at common forum threads will tell you have this.
Personally Windows no longer offers me much. I use medical apps at my workplace and for 3 years I've held my breath waiting for Medscape,Epocrates, Harriet Lane, Lab Values to come.
When it comes to specialised apps its a horrible ecosystem.

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If you honestly think the "average" consumer used Snapchat, you need to reevaluate those user numbers.

Sorry, but internet forums are not a good gauge on the world.

 

[Zachary Boddy]

Not everyone uses the applications you mentioned! I for one use none of them, ha ha.

 

[paulxxwall]

Your kinda right .....it's not for everybody. I thought it would be but if I had all the apps I need which I don't and if windows had the 1.6 million apps to choose from I would never leave win10! Local banking apps im in 12 volt and WP has none of the apps maybe viper alarm but that's it. And when a new app is released its never on WP ! When that stops it will be awesome for win10. But till then no WP is not for every one ......actual only about 3% of smartphone users in the world feel like it good enough.

 

[N_LaRUE]

If you honestly think the "average" consumer used Snapchat, you need to reevaluate those user numbers.

Sorry, but internet forums are not a good gauge on the world.

Lots of people use Snapchat. Any person who uses social media on a regular basis will know Snapchat. I would also doubt that their sole experience is from this forum or from online only.

Any young person will want Snapchat as it's the 'in' thing currently and has been for some time. By young I mean teens and early 20s. But that's not the limit of ages by any stretch. Lots of information is being sent via Snapchat these days.

I personally I stay away from 'average' and 'general' when speaking about tech. I'm often surprised by who uses what, so categories are a hard one to justify in simplistic terms.

The easiest way to put this at this time with WP is that most users are happy with the choice they have. Those who aren't move on.

 

[tgp]

There is no virtue in following the herd.

Except in this case, there is virtue in "following the herd."

 

[Tsang Fai]

Many people get addicted to apps. They tend to install the latest apps, be it cool or not, be it useful or not. They spend lots of time everyday on apps.

They are sacrificing their precious time on smartphones, all because of apps.

I do spend time on apps like Facebook, local news apps. That's it.

Life is not just smartphones. Sometimes we need to do other things.

Having many apps on my smartphone does not make me happier or more successful. It just makes my busier life even busier, which is no good.

So WP is suitable for people who do not want to be controlled by smartphones. It should be the user who controls what he can do with a smartphone.

 

[TechFreak1]

Soooo anecdotal evidence defines the perspective of the entire global population? :grincry:

I think not.

There are ridiculous amount of factors that have contributed to fact why Windows Phone has less than 3% global market share. The key word being Global, in some countries it is actually in double digits. Over all it is doing much better than Blackberry; if their latest handset(s) running Android doesn't take off... I really don't see them lasting in the phone space any longer.

 

[paulxxwall]

Soooo anecdotal evidence defines the perspective of the entire global population? :grincry:

I think not.

There are ridiculous amount of factors that have contributed to fact why Windows Phone has less than 3% global market share. The key word being Global, in some countries it is actually in double digits. Over all it is doing much better than Blackberry; if their latest handset(s) running Android doesn't take off... I really don't see them lasting in the phone space any longer.

Yes but the global reason is probably the lack of apps ! Nothing else.oh yes and the occasional omitting of something good. When I first got to WP they had about 120,000 apps now maybe 300,000 . No local apps mostly cheesy ones! WP is cheap you would think it would have better market share but it doesn't......ask around you'll see.

 

[TechFreak1]

Yes but the global reason is probably the lack of apps ! Nothing else.oh yes and the occasional omitting of something good. When I first got to WP they had about 120,000 apps now maybe 300,000 . No local apps mostly cheesy ones! WP is cheap you would think it would have better market share but it doesn't......ask around you'll see.

Yes, however that is one part of the argument not the entire argument.

 

[James Jordan4]

Who is it aimed at? those that don't want iOS or Android. If it works for you, take it, if it doesn't move on You're not doing yourself any favors by sticking around with a platform you don't like or deem inferior to the others

Very well said.

 

[ejlee072006]

Ummm windowsphone user since 2010,
This is a known problem,
I say windowsphone is for users that don't care about apps, now the problem is that, MSFT knew about the app gap problem and yet they won't do anything about it. We don't even see any commercials on TV, they should focus on older people, I've seen old people being coverted to iPhone by there kids, even though all they do is call and text, I think if u don't care about games,snapchat etcccc wp is OK for u.but MSFT have to recognize it though, they have to target this people and they have to DO IT!!


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[ejlee072006]

I'm sick and tired hearing about this APP GAP PROBLEM
Wake up MSFT it's almost 6 years!!


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[Indistinguishable]

Regular people/adults, don't play pokemon.

TIL I am not a regular person.

 

[Marko Marjanovic]

I just want to win 10 be relased so i can instal vsco cam because i really do like vintage and calm kinda look on my instagram feed. That's about it.
I have everything integrated or in store that suit my need and after win10 i can even have that apps all of them talking about. Just port them from ios or android. That's the plan folks, keep calm, we all have our jimmies rustled..psstt everything will be over soon enough.

 

[ArtificiallyYours]

Yet another hyperbolic essay that comes down to "you aren't using iOS or Android, you're not NORMAL"...

This is why phone wars are best reserved for petty manchildren.

 

[paulxxwall]

Yes, however that is one part of the argument not the entire argument.

True only one part ! But the biggest part!

 

[Aquila]

Part of your problem here is that you've framed your question around this concept of 'regular people' as if such a thing exists and if it did, that there is significant overlap in their interests. You like to play Pok?mon, I play Fallout and will miss out on the Pipboy app when I play Fallout 4 on my Xbox. Is that enough to switch?

Another question is over whether people are always able to make the best decision for themselves even if the market wasn't skewed.

For instance, few people like to think about their personal security. They have the perfectly reasonable expectation that devices wouldn't be sold insecure. They also expect that the data they send through the internet is not being stored and collated for use by a third party for its own advantage and we both know that both these expectations were violated from day one with Android.

There are two reasons Android simply isn't adequate from a security point of view. Firstly, it is old technology adapted for a use model that was never imagined at the time and incorporating a technology - JavaScript - which is notorious for being a security disaster area. I was not surprised when the Stagefright bug was uncovered, because it is only the latest of several serious security flaws found in code not intended for purpose. I hope all your Android toting friends are using the Zimperium app to check their devices aren't open to malware. Android is no more secure than Windows was in the late noughties and it will take a similar titanic effort to straighten it out. In fairness, Google, Samsung and LG have committed themselves to the same monthly update schedule Microsoft took so much flack for, but it's much harder to get those updates on to phones generally.

The second reason Android will never be secure is Google itself is an advertising company, their whole business is based upon the assumption that you have no legitimate claim of ownership on information about you. It simply isn't in Google's interest to respect your privacy; at very best, Google's interests can be said to be indifferent to your own.

It is a simple historical fact the Google have often had to improve security on Android after public outcry. For instance, they only made device encryption the default after the BBC ran a story on the Tesco Hudl tablet leaving files readable after a hard reset. Similarly, Google are facing anti-trust proceedings after it was found that they were skewing search results to favour their own services. Are you sure you want this organisation to have your personal data and that of your friends? Are your sure you want to your Pok?mon app that much?

To my mind their are only two viable smartphone options: iOS and Windows Mobile, and that's because the day to day functionality (Windows phones do so much out of the box.) and security of my mobile computing life is too important to sacrifice for convenience or the sake of following the herd.

This isn't going to be popular on Windows Central, I know that there are many who hate Google... you may fire at will.

I may ask you to back that bus up a little bit. Two claims that may need to be adjusted with some additional context:

1. Stagefright: At its HEIGHT the media ran with the story that over 1 billion devices were effected. In truth, stagefreight had the ability to impact less than .08% of devices at the time that it was discovered and no single device has ever been impacted in the wild. All devices running Android 4.0 were systemically protected by other mechanisms within Android for all known attacks that this vulnerability had available. The devices at the highest risk were Android phones running API level 10 Gingerbread 2.3.3 to 2.3.7 with more than .5GB RAM and Tablets/Google TV and other devices on API levels 11 through 13 Honeycomb with more than 1GB of RAM and being MMS capable through cellular radios. You can imagine the tiny number of devices that this is comprised of. The security updates rolling in September and October eliminated the first step of the risk so that unknown implementations of this attack can not expose undiscovered vulnerabilities that could make it through the other 6 layers of defense against this attack.

2. Privacy: Most users of things that connect to the internet are aware of the fact that they are giving their information to some company or another. The question about privacy, from a public perception, typically generates fear of that information being SHARED. In most cases, people think of data being bought/sold/traded, etc. Google has a unique model in AdSense with which your data, stuff about you, never makes it to the advertiser. Instead, the ad is placed by Google and the revenue is shared with the site, etc. at the expense of the advertiser and all of this happens with your data never leaving Google's side of the equation. This is unknown to most users, but Google takes another step and forbids themselves from sharing your data with ANY third party (unless required to do so by law, such as via a VALID warrant) without your explicit permission to share specific data with that specific third party. They give you complete control over this. This is different from the approach that say, Apple takes, where they give themselves permission to share your anonymized data with whomever they choose. To the end user, this is more or less the same thing - personal details about you, connected to your identity, never make it outside of the company you shared it with. BUT, Apple is trading data and Google is not. This is the opposite of the public perception. That said, Microsoft gives itself permission to share data within their network of Microsoft controlled affiliates, subsidiaries and vendors. This SOUNDS like the worst of all three, but in reality it just means that they outsource some of their big data analysis, etc. I have not heard of a situation in which Microsoft has abused user privacy other than the Yahoo partnership fiasco from 2013 but users of all systems should remember that their Outlook account belongs to Microsoft, their gmail belongs to Google and their Facebook belongs to Facebook, etc. On a similar note, ever word typed in this forum belongs to Mobile Nations.

I don't really think that any mobile OS is inherently more secure that another, I do think some users are more inherently secure than others. That said, Google has a LOT of FUD being spread about them and most of it is being spread by hypocritical mouthpieces of companies that actually violate the tenants for which they want to accuse Google of violating. Yes, Google's business is data mining and turning that data into two things: 1. useful features and 2. (most important) dollars. Apple and Microsoft are in the same business with the same tools and they're doing the exact same two things with data - they just have a different way of describing it and a different twist on the feature-set.

 

[7a2eer]

I use it for the integration with our home system. I came straight from Symbian, bypassing IOS and Android. Would I like for WP to get more respect from vendors? Absolutely, but until that happens, I like the interface, and reliability.

Can you knowingly say you prefer the interface of WP when W10M takes nearly all UI elements from Android/iOS?

 

[CygnusOrion]

For me to even consider switching back to Windows Phone, I'd need:

* all the Google apps
* a payment system on par with Apple Pay
* Cortana should be backed by a knowledge graph as expansive as Google's adding new cards all the time
* 3D Touch and "smart tiles/icons" that give context-specific actions based on pressure sensitivity applied to the screen
* banking apps
* Dropbox, Zillow, Instagram, Facebook, Candy Crush and the other top 500 apps on iOS/Android not just there, but same quality & updated!
* best-in-class first-party MS apps experiences(Outlook, Groove, OneDrive, Office, etc...)
* hardware that exceeds the latest iPhone(Surface Phone)