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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'm rather new to the forums but I can tell you all I see is complaining and that there aren't any new Windows phones coming out.
    Here's a new Windows phone coming out. If you're one of those complainers, or just someone who wants to Invest in the platforms future, or need a new phone, here you go.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    04-02-2017 07:39 AM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I'm rather new to the forums but I can tell you all I see is complaining and that there aren't any new Windows phones coming out.
    Here's a new Windows phone coming out. If you're one of those complainers, or just someone who wants to Invest in the platforms future, or need a new phone, here you go.
    This is an old problem and one I've been railing against for years. The apathy and stinginess of many users on this platform. Heck, you can't even get them to pony up $0.99 once a year. http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...tm#post3001372

    I don't get it. TNSTAAFL
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    04-02-2017 08:05 AM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What you are buying into is the chance for WB to still be around to offer that second device.
    That ship has already sailed. The app store needed those $5 and $10 donations long ago in the form of paid apps. Everybody loves free things but sometimes you have to pay for something better. The proof's in the pudding by simply looking at WP sales figures. The 520 was top dog for how long? Yet people clamor for flagships all the time. We've had 3 "flagships" available for some time yet they collect dust in bins. I don't know actual sales figures but AdDuplex doesn't register much, if any, usage out of them.

    I have 25-30 paid apps in my library so my conscience is clear, I've supported the platform. I do wish them well but the minute that investors balked and crowd-funding became the survival avenue, their obituary was written. Maybe Mr. Murphy should've looked at real investors and not penny traders.
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    04-02-2017 11:12 AM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    @fatclue_98 webOS never had such a lifeline. No crowdfunding for hardware and the OS wasn't allowed to keep rolling. Open Source wasn't really a viable option. So far as I know WaaS is going to keep pumping out updates so long as there are devices.

    Crowdfunding might not be the most attractive option...

    But if you would have paid $300 for this in support on release, why not take the chance and help insure it will release?

    It only takes 3,900 true believers to make this a reality.

    #OneOfThe3900
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    04-02-2017 11:44 AM
  5. RumoredNow's Avatar
    @mistagreg should consider having lower level of pledges just to raise the money? Increments down to $10 maybe. People perhaps don't want the Moment... but would like to help get things rolling to spur on the next version?
    You can donate any amount...

    Click the "Back it" button and then enter the amount.

    I see users giving various amounts from $5 and up.
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    04-02-2017 12:15 PM
  6. DrChucky's Avatar
    You can donate any amount...

    Click the "Back it" button and then enter the amount.

    I see users giving various amounts from $5 and up.
    @RumoredNow I completely agree with your last few posts about supporting and investing in Cerulean. I just pledged $290 to get a Cerulean Moment, because as I believe in what @mistagreg is trying to do and I would like to see W10M have a brighter future. This is our chance as a community to rally behind Cerulean and help make statement.

    @W10M Community If you can, make a $$$ pledge and help Cerulean get their ship off of the ground. Also, spread the word by social media and make others aware of this opportunity!

    #58 #UnitedWeStand #ThisIsOurMoment
    04-04-2017 01:29 AM
  7. Nate W's Avatar
    @RumoredNow
    Looks like Greg is taking a vote. I do not use twitter I know you do not either, so I cannot chime in, but those here on the forums still listening go chime in over on their twitter page and see what's up.

    Here is the question:
    What is a reasonable price for Windows Phone with SD835, 6/128GB, 16MPx2, FP Reader, NFC, Universal SIM. SERIOUSLY, what would you pay.

    At the most $500
    $600
    $$700
    $800

    Does anyone know their plans after the crowd funding ends? Why the vote posted now?
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    05-12-2017 08:17 PM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Interesting...
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    05-12-2017 09:02 PM
  9. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Maybe they're thinking that this current phone won't cell, and an SD835 might so that it'd be better to wait and ready a different device instead.


    PS: I actually wrote "cell" by mistake... lol... should have been "sell" of course.
    05-13-2017 04:48 PM
  10. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    Make that phone attractive with a 6" screen and I would pay 800. Been saying it all along, an up to date, current flagship spec version of the 1520 is worth 800. I do not have twitter either but if someone could add a 800 vote for me I would appreciate it. Wish he would post that question here.

    The screen size is my main issue though. Well, that and a dedicated camera button. As someone who had to go from the 6" 1520 to the smaller than 5.7" 950XL (because of the on screen buttons), anything less than 5.7" and I won't buy it at all. Same with the camera button, no camera button, no purchase.
    05-13-2017 06:39 PM
  11. DustinRyan's Avatar
    I voted around $800. I was kinda annoyed to see how many people picked the $500 option. He was asking realistically. And compared with the GS8 honestly I think $800 makes sense. 128GB storage and 6GB RAM? You don't even see that in most flagship phones already over $800. People just vote what they WANT to pay. He wasn't asking about that. People are silly.
    05-13-2017 09:39 PM
  12. techiez's Avatar
    Looking at how US has embraced windows phones, I dont think even a flagship will pick up steam, WB should give it a shot in Europe and China
    05-13-2017 09:49 PM
  13. Drael646464's Avatar
    What do you all think? We know we have no choice but to wait... I bet Cerulean makes a little noise after CES concludes. What do you think?

    We also know Microsoft has more time in the pipeline before any big news on their new device(s), HP has no date set if/when a consumer device comes, and Alcatel is still stuck on T-Mobile with the 4s. Maybe Cerulean could use the next several months and sell some cheap decent phones to get people started. I for one (belonging to AT&T) would only buy one if it's certified on AT&T...I'm getting spoiled by the call quality/mms/LTE enhancements from an AT&T 950. Any other thoughts?

    Sent from mTalk
    The 4s is being sold unlocked, and its coming to Europe. Theirs a Moly dual boot phone in the works apparently (apparently "soon"), and wiley fox too, although I wouldn't exactly hold my breath either for those. Time will tell.
    05-13-2017 10:30 PM
  14. Nate W's Avatar
    The 4s is being sold unlocked, and its coming to Europe. Theirs a Moly dual boot phone in the works apparently (apparently "soon"), and wiley fox too, although I wouldn't exactly hold my breath either for those. Time will tell.
    It was wifi certified last month as IDOL 4 PRO WP EU (6077X).
    05-14-2017 12:09 AM
  15. Drael646464's Avatar
    It was wifi certified last month as IDOL 4 PRO WP EU (6077X).
    Do you know if that means it'll come with different frequencies?

    I'd love it if that phone was compatible with my carriers here in NZ. It's a pretty dope phone.
    05-14-2017 12:36 AM
  16. Nate W's Avatar
    Do you know if that means it'll come with different frequencies?

    I'd love it if that phone was compatible with my carriers here in NZ. It's a pretty dope phone.
    We won't know for sure until it is posted by Alcatel.

    The model itself (TCL-950 here) is capable of at least the below though:
    CNC 7 die 23 frequency, dual SIM dual standby
    Support carrier aggregation (4G+)
    "TDD LTE B38/B39/B40/B41(100M)
    FDD LTE B1/B3/B4/B7/B8/B12/B17/B26
    WCDMA B1/B2/B5/B8
    TDSCDMA B34/B39
    EVDO BC0
    CDMA BC0
    GSM 850/900/1800/1900"

    How the OEM puts it out is another story though...
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    05-14-2017 01:25 AM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I was kinda annoyed to see how many people picked the $500 option.
    That's what they are going to see. A large majority will state "no more than $500" and they'll be dissuaded from even trying it after the resounding silence on the Moment project.

    It's why Moly PCphone never debuted. Coship tried the same "how much would you pay" tactic before scraping the release.


    He was asking realistically.
    Realistically we are still suffering in the US under the delusion that a current gen iPhone or Galaxy S class is "free" due to carrier shenanigans and even those who do realize what phones cost expect the same parts discount from a 5,000 unit OEM as we see from a 10,000,000 unit OEM.
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    05-14-2017 07:50 AM
  18. Drael646464's Avatar
    That's what they are going to see. A large majority will state "no more than $500" and they'll be dissuaded from even trying it after the resounding silence on the Moment project.

    It's why Moly PCphone never debuted. Coship tried the same "how much would you pay" tactic before scraping the release.




    Realistically we are still suffering in the US under the delusion that a current gen iPhone or Galaxy S class is "free" due to carrier shenanigans and even those who do realize what phones cost expect the same parts discount from a 5,000 unit OEM as we see from a 10,000,000 unit OEM.
    God if the S8 and iPhone 8 are parts discounted, I'd hate to see what they look like full price ;)
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    05-14-2017 08:36 AM
  19. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Look at almost any wholesale operation and you will see bulk order discounts. It's a well known economic principle. The largest orders sit higher on the supply chain and get the newest parts faster as well...
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    05-14-2017 08:53 AM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    Look at almost any wholesale operation and you will see bulk order discounts. It's a well known economic principle. The largest orders sit higher on the supply chain and get the newest parts faster as well...
    Oh I know, I was just having a giggle because of those manufacturers marketing costs, and wild mark-up. If people are perfectly happy to pay 1000 USD plus for an iPhone 8, and don't call the 800 USD s8 overpriced, they really should not have much issue with what are likely to be cheaper than that like wiley fox, moly's dual boot, and the potential cerulean without the largely useless spec bumps in invisible battery wasting pixels, fragile distorted screen bending and excessive ram that has neglible actual effect on performance.

    I think people just get this whole "spec war" thing that's been marketed into them, so they start comparing all these numbers, and saying "oh this one has that and this", and actual user experience - that sadly get lost in a haze of numerical abstraction.

    It's not so much that they don't get scale pricing, its more that their heads are lodged in their nether regions.
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    05-14-2017 09:11 AM
  21. Nate W's Avatar
    We as people always want something for nothing. Of course the majority pick 500. Wonder why he chose those specs, if realistically W10M is only 32 bit still. Though talks of 64bit have been around for a while, Microsoft won't release it that way unless it is fit for the user and user experience. Wonder how far away we are from 64 bit mobile on Windows?
    05-14-2017 09:36 AM
  22. Nate W's Avatar
    Look at almost any wholesale operation and you will see bulk order discounts. It's a well known economic principle. The largest orders sit higher on the supply chain and get the newest parts faster as well...
    Ya it is wrenching to think what the maker could charge (if they wanted) for their 800 dollar phone. https://www.techwalls.com/production...f-smartphones/
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    05-14-2017 09:40 AM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Wonder why he chose those specs...
    SD835 & 6GB RAM screams W10ARM, otherwise everyone knows only the first 3.5GB RAM is read. I don't believe 64 bit W10M will appear at this late date.
    05-14-2017 10:22 AM
  24. Nate W's Avatar
    SD835 & 6GB RAM screams W10ARM, otherwise everyone knows only the first 3.5GB RAM is read. I don't believe 64 bit W10M will appear at this late date.
    You did not notice I worded it 64bit mobile on Windows...hence W10oA. W10M may see 64bit but would be much longer I think, but I could be wrong. If they drop the SoCs that do not support it (550, 650, 640, etc) then Microsoft could be in line to update. Or, better yet, one aspect of dropping the Nokia line is to prepare for 64bit support on supported models. Just a thought.
    05-14-2017 11:29 AM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    SD835 & 6GB RAM screams W10ARM, otherwise everyone knows only the first 3.5GB RAM is read. I don't believe 64 bit W10M will appear at this late date.
    Well if it is, he's jumping the gun. Its not ready in any form yet for release. He'd have no way of testing any hardware, and we've no idea how long cshell will take to release.
    05-14-2017 12:31 PM
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