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  1. hj2132's Avatar
    Please no don't need an .apk extension apps
    12-30-2014 11:53 AM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    That's probably just rumor but if it does happen, it won't happen until Win X hits the ground. And even if it does support android apps, as long as it supports it well and continues to support Windows Phone apps well, it becomes all about the hardware its running on. That's when it gets serious.
    12-30-2014 12:00 PM
  3. Juggernaugh Jugger's Avatar
    If they do that it can be called android device with windows launcher.
    12-30-2014 12:18 PM
  4. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I really thought you had a point and were going somewhere but

    "COmpared to blackberry, Microsoft is performing awfully, Nadella should be fired."

    Comparing a company who has literally eroded all their marketshare just about, Barely sells any phones as it is, do they even make a profit...to a company that is setting record profits? Their Mobile area is not the best but it isn't dropping monumentally....as people are buying Lumias(Just not high end).

    Okay then.

    Not to mention, Nadella hasn't even been in charge for a YEAR and his first year has mainly been fixing issues that were there during Ballmer's era. But he should be fired despite the great changes he has made in other areas of Microsoft since being CEO this year?

    Makes so much sense. /S
    I can't
    The OTHER windows phones sales are like 10 units, maybe 20.
    Android apps run well in 10.3.1, the implementation of the Android runtime is constantly improving with each new version of the OS.

    Microsoft is almost 100 times bigger than BlackBerry. Microsoft has an excellent set of services to offer with their devices, they dominate the PC market. It's surprising that they can only sell 9 million units per quarter. Compared to BlackBerry, Microsoft is performing awfully, Nadella should be fired.

    A mix of native apps for the most popular services, plus thousand of niche Android apps to fill the gaps, would be the perfect solution for WP users.
    12-30-2014 12:28 PM
  5. Jas00555's Avatar
    I really don't understand the controversy.

    From the article earlier today: "In the meantime, Microsoft is sticking with Plan A, the Universal app program..."

    It's obvious that the only way that they would put Android apps on Windows is if they literally had to. They want people to build Windows apps, but if they can't get developers to do that, then what are they suppose to do?

    I mean, really, Armchair CEOs, tell me what would you do if no matter what you did, developers wouldn't write Windows apps?

    Personally, I'm pretty sure they won't need a Plan B, since Plan A will probably work out.
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    12-30-2014 12:47 PM
  6. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I like these two quotes from the Verge article comments:

    Theres also a risk of developers giving up on Microsofts Metro apps entirely, settling for the easier option of app porting over building something entirely new."
    Exactly. Why bother building a native Windows Phone app when you can build for Android, port it to WP, and have a massively bigger audience?
    I agree. This is exactly why OS/2 failed. Why develop for OS/2 if you can develop for windows and the programs work perfectly on OS/2?
    Spot on.
    azcruz likes this.
    12-30-2014 01:02 PM
  7. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    *Sits in Armchair CEO*

    First of all, I'd start showing more confidence within my own OS and ecosystem by showing either Priority by releasing the apps FIRST....and not make my users wait for months or even a year or so for the same app OR i'd release them all at the same time or within the same time frame with feature parity.

    Secondly, i'd realize that I have a great gold mine of a feature like Xbox Live and stop making it so difficult for those who WANT to actually develop for my platform and bring games to my users who want things like achievements.

    Thirdly, I would not wait an entire year before releasing a phone.....if necessary, I'd simply release a mildly upgraded Lumia 1525 for Carriers like T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon OR Bring the Icon to the other carriers. Or even bring high end stuff to Canada....If I see people are clamoring, I am not going to expect my users to wait a year because that's a risk that could very well blow up in my face.

    Fourth, I'd stop releasing Low end after Low end device with little to no differentiation between the two. If I was going to bring out a 535 later...then why even waste time with a 530. Just make the actual 630-635 the 530 and bring out the 535 as the 630/635.

    Instead, let's confuse users....and if rumors pan out, let's confuse em even more by adding MORE options like a Lumia 430.

    OR hey...let's release a phone like the 830 but price it too high for what it offers and gimp it on the FFC but let's throw that amazing FFC into the 730/735 and yet gimp it on the back camera. Why not simply merge the two into the perfect Mid range/selfie phone...there's little differentiation between the two.

    Fifth, I'd realize that while my marketshare is not high and at times slipping, that perhaps annoying my loyal users by degrading the experience(I.e. Xbox Music) and then saying wait till Windows 10 is not the way to go about retaining loyalty.

    Or releasing that despite breaking things like Hubs from the OS, it actually hasn't really helped the APPgate that much. I'd realize that simply following trends and trying to be like Google/Android is not the way to go about it because I am only alienating my userbase by ignoring their wants....They don't want yet another low end or midrange. They want a Lumia flagship...

    I'd realize that I need to stop following trends because the thing about trends is...THEY CHANGE instantly....and I'd adapt to trends while using them to my advantage and making my experience unique. With all the money that Microsoft throws around, enter into a contractual agreement with these developers or get Rudy to actually make the apps. If they don't want to make it, then at least try and pay them for access. You may not be able to do it for every app but do it for the big apps...6snap(Snapchat), 6sec(Vine), 6tag(Instagram/FB), 6tin(Tinder). Pay them for access if they don't want to do it themselves.

    Sixth, market my devices.......and actually showcase them and make creative ads....not some random commercial. More Commercials like the Lumia 1020 commercials.

    That's 6 things I'd do :) And Luckily for me, I actually do have a very tiny voice within Microsoft and I use it daily :D
    I really don't understand the controversy.

    From the article earlier today: "In the meantime, Microsoft is sticking with Plan A, the Universal app program..."

    It's obvious that the only way that they would put Android apps on Windows is if they literally had to. They want people to build Windows apps, but if they can't get developers to do that, then what are they suppose to do?

    I mean, really, Armchair CEOs, tell me what would you do if no matter what you did, developers wouldn't write Windows apps?

    Personally, I'm pretty sure they won't need a Plan B, since Plan A will probably work out.
    12-30-2014 01:12 PM
  8. sati01's Avatar
    I really thought you had a point and were going somewhere but

    "COmpared to blackberry, Microsoft is performing awfully, Nadella should be fired."

    Comparing a company who has literally eroded all their marketshare just about, Barely sells any phones as it is, do they even make a profit...to a company that is setting record profits? Their Mobile area is not the best but it isn't dropping monumentally....as people are buying Lumias(Just not high end).

    Okay then.

    Not to mention, Nadella hasn't even been in charge for a YEAR and his first year has mainly been fixing issues that were there during Ballmer's era. But he should be fired despite the great changes he has made in other areas of Microsoft since being CEO this year?

    Makes so much sense. /S
    I can't

    It's an hyperbole, I'm not suggesting that Microsoft should really fire Nadella.

    The point is, Stating that Android apps are a bad idea because BlackBerry's market share is low is nonsense, because BlackBerry is doing relatively better than Microsoft taking into account the circumstances, the size of both companies, the budget and the complementary assets.

    WP is underperforming, I don't think sales can be lower than this.
    12-30-2014 01:13 PM
  9. rollindice's Avatar
    better be fake, it better be
    12-30-2014 01:13 PM
  10. iXesh's Avatar
    I don't think it is gonna happen,
    After that, if its going to happen then MS did think something better,
    May be it would be like the desktop version of 8.1
    We will have our own store as well as we can install apk like exe,
    And that would be good!
    And if MS has decided to remove their own store and put play store as a default, that would be a bad idea.
    Cause MS is not a Cell phone company its an OS developer.
    But the apps are really killing,
    Although low end phone doesn't have stability on phone,
    App can crash any time after minimizing
    12-30-2014 01:17 PM
  11. 1101x10's Avatar
    They need a Plan C
    a5cent likes this.
    12-30-2014 01:17 PM
  12. iXesh's Avatar
    They need a Plan C
    So what is plan C
    12-30-2014 01:20 PM
  13. 1101x10's Avatar
    So what is plan C
    It's the one before Plan D
    azcruz, SammyD97 and a5cent like this.
    12-30-2014 01:23 PM
  14. pedmar007's Avatar
    MS if you wanted the remaining sensible smartphone users to choose IOS/ANDROID you should have announced this just before WP8.1 update.
    Nogitsune Micah likes this.
    12-30-2014 01:29 PM
  15. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    It's an hyperbole, I'm not suggesting that Microsoft should really fire Nadella.

    The point is, Stating that Android apps are a bad idea because BlackBerry's market share is low is nonsense, because BlackBerry is doing relatively better than Microsoft taking into account the circumstances, the size of both companies, the budget and the complementary assets.

    WP is underperforming, I don't think sales can be lower than this.
    And the fact you think blackberry is doing better than Microsoft is laughable.

    Of course sales can be lower. They could be as low as blackberry.

    Trying to rationalize 1.5 million to 9.5 million sold and somehow less is better...i can't with that. It's okay to be a fan of a product but lets makes sense
    12-30-2014 02:35 PM
  16. colinkiama's Avatar
    *Sits in Armchair CEO*

    First of all, I'd start showing more confidence within my own OS and ecosystem by showing either Priority by releasing the apps FIRST....and not make my users wait for months or even a year or so for the same app OR i'd release them all at the same time or within the same time frame with feature parity.

    Secondly, i'd realize that I have a great gold mine of a feature like Xbox Live and stop making it so difficult for those who WANT to actually develop for my platform and bring games to my users who want things like achievements.

    Thirdly, I would not wait an entire year before releasing a phone.....if necessary, I'd simply release a mildly upgraded Lumia 1525 for Carriers like T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon OR Bring the Icon to the other carriers. Or even bring high end stuff to Canada....If I see people are clamoring, I am not going to expect my users to wait a year because that's a risk that could very well blow up in my face.

    Fourth, I'd stop releasing Low end after Low end device with little to no differentiation between the two. If I was going to bring out a 535 later...then why even waste time with a 530. Just make the actual 630-635 the 530 and bring out the 535 as the 630/635.

    Instead, let's confuse users....and if rumors pan out, let's confuse em even more by adding MORE options like a Lumia 430.

    OR hey...let's release a phone like the 830 but price it too high for what it offers and gimp it on the FFC but let's throw that amazing FFC into the 730/735 and yet gimp it on the back camera. Why not simply merge the two into the perfect Mid range/selfie phone...there's little differentiation between the two.

    Fifth, I'd realize that while my marketshare is not high and at times slipping, that perhaps annoying my loyal users by degrading the experience(I.e. Xbox Music) and then saying wait till Windows 10 is not the way to go about retaining loyalty.

    Or releasing that despite breaking things like Hubs from the OS, it actually hasn't really helped the APPgate that much. I'd realize that simply following trends and trying to be like Google/Android is not the way to go about it because I am only alienating my userbase by ignoring their wants....They don't want yet another low end or midrange. They want a Lumia flagship...

    I'd realize that I need to stop following trends because the thing about trends is...THEY CHANGE instantly....and I'd adapt to trends while using them to my advantage and making my experience unique. With all the money that Microsoft throws around, enter into a contractual agreement with these developers or get Rudy to actually make the apps. If they don't want to make it, then at least try and pay them for access. You may not be able to do it for every app but do it for the big apps...6snap(Snapchat), 6sec(Vine), 6tag(Instagram/FB), 6tin(Tinder). Pay them for access if they don't want to do it themselves.

    Sixth, market my devices.......and actually showcase them and make creative ads....not some random commercial. More Commercials like the Lumia 1020 commercials.

    That's 6 things I'd do :) And Luckily for me, I actually do have a very tiny voice within Microsoft and I use it daily :D
    People like you should be on the windows phone OS team
    12-30-2014 05:49 PM
  17. zhris's Avatar
    I dopn't see it happening, MSFT already has the slow and stealthy version of EEE going: release a bunch of apps on Android, and subtly hint "If you like these, you'll love them in their native environment!".
    12-30-2014 07:44 PM
  18. Conan143's Avatar
    My view : I think MS brings new cross-platform tools in visual studio 2015 so that they can work on cross-platforms in the same integrated environment..
    By this developers can write the code in one platform and port to other platforms without much effort..I think this is called Universal..(Android + Apple + Windows + WindowsPhone)...Visual studio is likely to head that way.. So the app gap likely to decrease with the new Visual Studio..
    12-30-2014 10:56 PM
  19. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Nah, you are better off putting full Windows 10 in WP 10.
    12-31-2014 01:25 AM
  20. EBUK's Avatar
    Universal..(Android + Apple + Windows + WindowsPhone)...Visual studio is likely to head that way.
    Sounds good but how does this work when the APIs between platforms are probably not equivalent?

    If it's anything like cross compilers of the past, the result will be bloated, inordinately slow apps... Just think how Word 6 ran on the PC compared with the Mac! (Yeah, I know that's going back many years...)
    12-31-2014 03:20 AM
  21. Bagzton's Avatar
    I seriously hope this is a "certified rumour".
    Although it would be both a plus and a minus for WP should this happen.
    On the plus side: Developers need only code once for an app that can be run on 2 different platforms. Then, those who love WP BUT can't use it because of "lack of apps" (an annoying word to me) will now make that switch to WP.

    On the minus side: What becomes of WP developers, particularly those like Rudy who give us 3rd party apps (that actually superpass the official ones in terms of features)? Cos if android apps makes their way to WP then will the official apps thereby putting guys like Rudy "out of business"
    Secondly, android apps are known to be a lot of lags on devices they run on (need I say more on this?)
    Again, I think a certain set of people, like those who consider market shares before knowing what mobile OS to go for, would be thinking "why should I buy a WP because of android apps when the market share is still very poor?" (which is actually changing)
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    12-31-2014 04:37 AM
  22. prasath1234's Avatar
    Oh my god world turning into android .if wp allows android app I won't install it.I will only use my existing apps
    12-31-2014 05:33 AM
  23. Conan143's Avatar
    Sounds good but how does this work when the APIs between platforms are probably not equivalent?

    If it's anything like cross compilers of the past, the result will be bloated, inordinately slow apps... Just think how Word 6 ran on the PC compared with the Mac! (Yeah, I know that's going back many years...)
    Sure API's are different and I don't know how MS would achieve this... But I saw a cross-platform template in VS 2015 which will allow developers to currently create binaries targeting both the Windows and Android platform respectively.The Cross Platform template will also highlight Visual C++'s ability to share and author code across these platforms easily..

    Read this:
    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archi...-visual-c.aspx
    12-31-2014 05:52 AM
  24. gMaesterUK's Avatar
    Every time I see this type of thread I smack my head against the nearest wall...

    It would be very logical for MS to look at the possibility of porting android apps, however the technical drawbacks would send this one packing. You would need to run an emulator of some kind to interpret Java which will be an expensive resource that the low-end phones would crawl.

    I'm for Rudy's suggestion (rudyhuyn comments on Microsoft hones its plans to try to close the app gap) that Android apps are written using Visual Studio which would then be able to port to both Android and Windows (being Universal app).

    MS could use their 'marketing' budget to help offset the costs of the development for the more major apps, or like the FB app MS would create it using FB's api's. In theory Snapchat could offer the same to MS if they so wished.

    I think MS need to kill off this rumour once and for all, as I find it damaging of the Windows Phone brand.

    WinPhone is starting to show in the main stream, watch a show nowadays and NOT see a windows phone. Last night I was watching Scorpion and they were prominently showing the Surface and I believe a 1020.

    MS just need to hold their nerve, and bring new game changing stuff in Win10.

    G.
    forked likes this.
    12-31-2014 08:32 AM
  25. gMaesterUK's Avatar
    Sounds good but how does this work when the APIs between platforms are probably not equivalent?

    If it's anything like cross compilers of the past, the result will be bloated, inordinately slow apps... Just think how Word 6 ran on the PC compared with the Mac! (Yeah, I know that's going back many years...)
    That's what SDK's are for.

    G.
    Tushar Suryavanshi likes this.
    12-31-2014 08:33 AM
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