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  1. blackburberry's Avatar
    IMHO, the whole leviathan known as Microsoft needs to get it's head out of it's collective backside and smell the roses. The whole thing still reeks of we are right, you, the consumer, is wrong.
    This was BlackBerry's undoing as well. They were innovative enough, they just can't/couldn't shake the propellerhead mindset.

    When it comes to the personal device market there needs to be a blend of engineering with street smart crews that have their fingers on the pulse of society. A company that relies solely on hardware/software engineers and boardroom suits as their decision makers is doomed to fail.

    edit: But I ordered a 950 anyway. Wouldn't want it to fail on my account.
    Last edited by blackburberry; 01-30-2016 at 01:05 PM.
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    01-30-2016 12:43 PM
  2. slivy58's Avatar
    I agree to what you say too...
    Except what I quoted above.
    Updates where always much faster on WP than on Android (different on iOS) - and the latest changes (W10M) even bypass the carriers. That's a big step in the right direction.
    OK - there are faults with the MS update servers / process. But I get my updates in time - not like with my Android where I have to live with known bugs (security critical ones) for years before "someone" sometimes (if ever) decides that I can get an update.
    Latest situation - after more than a year I got a new Android version - a version which is already outdated an has existing know security issues
    Can't say I like MSs update approach, sure they are faster but IMHO more times than not there's little in the way of advancements/enhancements with each, I'd prefer one large one rather than these incremental updates that seem all too often, mute, got to remember Android is enhancing that which, for the most part, is already offered whereas MS is implementing features yet not available or, re-implementing (W10M) those which they've chosen to remove previously.

    So I have an old Droid from 2010, Galaxy S Fascinate w/Gingerbread 2.3.3, just thought I'd do a little comparison just for the sake of doing so, for me it highlights the facts that WP/WM is still lacking after all this time, very disheartening for me as I wanted it to succeed for my personal use but as per norm, "soon" was always just around the corner which just became too annoying. The Fascinate's camera software is even superior (for its time), incorporates multiple built-in features that WP still relies on separate apps to achieve, speed wise the phone in general it isn't too far off from my 1020 and in some respects is faster, obviously its 3G isn't going to compete against LTE... So lets compare my LG G4, or not LOL... Don't use my 830 for comparison because out of the three WPs I purchased since 2012, it has been the worst (lemon) with my Ativ S being the best, camera not withstanding.

    So iOS (IMO) keeps their OS updated reasonably well and bug fixes are quick to come fourth, Android can be very slow on the updates true yet there is an option to root if one is so inclined, WM on the other hand is a tough nut to crack and is obviously restrictive, if it weren't for PFD/IP most of use would still be standing on the starting line, it is great MS gave us that option but more times than not we're relegated to enduring a bug riddle OS and just as with Android, at the mercy of MS as to when they'll implement a fix.
    Last edited by Elky64; 01-30-2016 at 06:10 PM. Reason: formatting
    01-30-2016 12:51 PM
  3. evildude42's Avatar
    I've used WINCE devices forever, but always as a curiosity. They have never gotten to the point of actually being usable as a standalone or a day to day device. I recently got a 550 to a) play with a win 10 built device and b) attempt to program against it. So far it is failing at both and will probably be a media playback device, but i cant even get a decent podcast player for it. I will only keep it because in theory I can write for windows 10, and have a semi fast port available for mobile.
    01-30-2016 12:57 PM
  4. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Yes but take the hammering of android/ios apps out as a factor in NPS. How do you think that makes the fans feel? So what would the satisfaction be in this case?

    I honestly do get that everything is being done from scratch and things like this take time. But the problem is that their goal is so far into the future that it gives them an excuse to take their time. Yes, they need to do it right, it needs to be secure and all that jazz. But let's step away from the core OS/APi and look at the actual APPS that MS makes. These are missing a lot of basic features for example. They should not rely on the coreOS. In fact, a lot of the work is coded right in the app including multiple mailboxes and features surrounding them. Even something like aliases. These are basic functions that don't need to wait on the OS to be finalized or API to be finalized. Third party app touchmail is an incredible windows 10 mail app. So if these guys could do it, why can't MS? Wouldn't MS have specialized coders for specifically that Mail app, so they wouldn't need to use their resources else where? Shouldn't each app get their own team? Just makes you wonder how basic features can just be missing when a full team should be working on the app.
    Normally yes, there should be at least a team for the apps, there should be devs AND testers AND some QAs but Nadella thought they do not need so many people and laid them off in his obsession for cost cutting. look at the pictures Gabe Aul is sharing on twitter. how many people do you see in the team he is praising about? how old and how much experience do they seem to have most of them? to me most look like interns...so how can we expect more from this? with who? When Apple holds wwc there are more than a thousand engineers there: devs, designers, testers. more than a thousand! and they develop three OSes: ios, osx and appletv os...and I am sure that Google also has a huge amount handling Android and their apps. Compare that.
    01-30-2016 01:40 PM
  5. avlon's Avatar
    I have some counterpoints to throw at you but I'll have to issue an IOU first because I'm kinda on the go at the moment.
    I completely understand the IOU part.
    01-30-2016 03:05 PM
  6. constantreader16's Avatar
    Can't say I like MSs update approach, sure they are faster but IMHO more times than not there's little in the way of advancements/enhancements with each, I'd prefer one large one rather than these incremental updates that seem all too often, mute, got to remember Android is enhancing that which, for the most part, is already offered whereas MS is implementing features yet not available or, re-implementing (W10M) those which they've chosen to remove previously.
    If you're getting updates once a month, or once a week, that's not different than the bug fixes iOS does get. You only hear about their larger ones, but they do get the .1's and .0.1 OS versions often as well.

    On top of that, having that consistent of updates is awesome. Even if you don't get a new feature every time, you could get better battery life, smoothing operation, less data usage, bug fixes, etc. With Android, and to some extent iOS, you have to wait until they push it out, and then wait for the carriers to approve it. Even with unlocked phones it's not all peachy. I had an unlocked Nexus 6, and I had to wait almost 2 months for Android M, then a week or two later my 950 XL showed up. I'll take the 5 or 6 updates I've gotten in two months on WP over the two updates I got in 6 months on Android any day.
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    01-30-2016 04:46 PM
  7. sd4f's Avatar
    I thought WP/W10M was doomed a while ago, not that it counts for anything, the talk now is just that it's terminal. Once that starts to entrench itself, it's just going to provoke a contagion, as no one will want to be slumped with a platform that's almost over and about to have the plug pulled.

    But with that said, I still think windows phone is the best platform, for me. I don't particularly like iphone, and my experience with android was really poor, so I'm not interested in it either. The app gap, can be a bit of a problem, but it's not a major set back for me. What is annoying is that particularly with what I've seen in W10M is that a lot of the neat features of WP have slowly been pulled.

    What really irks me at the moment is they're saying that the UI in windows phone is too cluttered. Like have those people used the platform? It's dependent on the user how cluttered it is, and in spite of that, I think it's a really neat UI, allowing the user to tailor it to their wants.

    I think the history of WP is simple, it was simply too late, and when they released WP8 and abandoned WP7 users, they probably lost a fair bit of good will in that step, when they really needed it to gain traction, but ultimately, they were just too late when apple and google had a few critical years to get their platforms improved with features and apps.
    01-30-2016 05:39 PM
  8. xandros9's Avatar
    The funny thing is that Microsoft has had the tools all along, and somehow can't get them in a cohesive mobile package. They've totally missed the boat on the little things that geeks love, such as easy pairing to any wireless keyboard, mouse, or controller. The option to install apps from outside the Windows Store. Multi-Window and pen support. These things are just rearing their heads now, but should have been their from the beginning. Xbox controller should have a proprietary wireless driver in Windows without needing a silly dongle for it to work.

    There should have been a compatibility layer for Windows Mobile apps and x86 apps similar to how Apple had with Rosetta when they switched mobile architectures. Would it run slower than native, or not at all? Sure, but some apps would run acceptably well, and it would increase the amount of apps available by leaps and bounds. Folks with old apps might have been willing to try the new platform.

    Xbox Live compatibility. The indie games, and many of the Xbox live arcade games should have been cross platform on Microsoft systems. Turtles in time, The Simpsons, or Scott Pilgrim on mobile? Yes, please! Now imagine that working with tv out and Xbox controllers natively supported.

    Microsoft Office. The Windows versions should be incredibly powerful and easy to use. The best of all platforms, and competitive with DOCS for non-professional use.

    Patents. Instead of suing Android manufacturers, Microsoft should have cross licensed with Google and got their apps on mobile Windows.

    Developers. Instead of charging developers the 30% fee that Apple and Google charge, they should really defer this fee for active developers for at least 2-3 years. Say, as long as the developer updates the app say, at least once every 60 days, they get no fee's or greatly reduced fee's (say 10 to 15%) for those first few years. This would entice developers, which in turn would lead to folks migrating, which would lead to more development.

    Offer to migrate users paid apps. That app that tells you which apps have equivalents? Use it to let users get those apps for upon buying a new device, say up to $20 to $50 of credit for first time switchers.

    It could be done. Look at how far the Xbone has come once they got fresh management to actually try and entice customers. They may not win the console generation, but they're at least in the race.

    Just my random rant. LOL
    Alrighty I'm in front of my laptop now.

    I believe that such an x86 compatibility layer wouldn't work too well. I did see some work on XDA about such an emulator which impressed me, but the performance cost and probable power cost might be an issue.
    I think the advent of Intel's Clover Trail should've changed the game though.

    And at this point I realize I dont have as much counterpoints as I thought I did.

    I do want to say that Google didn't really do much to support the manufacturers when they faced legal stuff from, was it Oracle? etc. I'm willing to bet they would refuse to play ball and let the manufacturer's hold the bag to spite Windows.
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    01-30-2016 10:44 PM
  9. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    The thing is, it is only in the United States that Windows Phone market share if falling.
    01-31-2016 01:08 AM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The thing is, it is only in the United States that Windows Phone market share if falling.
    Sales are down everywhere except in the UK. Windows Phone sales in the US plummet to all-time low | Windows Central
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    01-31-2016 01:21 AM
  11. slimchap's Avatar
    The thing is, it is only in the United States that Windows Phone market share if falling.
    That is not true... In my country nobody wants to hear about Windows Phone or Lumia. People don't even believe in Windows 10 not to talk about Windows 10 Mobile. Nigeria.
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    01-31-2016 01:22 AM
  12. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    The thing is, it is only in the United States that Windows Phone market share if falling.
    not anymore. besides Italy, it is falling in Europe also, not at the same pace but nevertheless it is not good. the launch of the two 950s did not bring much to the table because were launched with a buggy OS and overpriced. and windows 10 mobile as it is now will make many switch platforms. I have recently made a poll at my workplace to see which platforms are being used. from 1280 people, 900 responded. from these about 86 have a windows phone right now, older devices from 8.1 era, and only two decided to stay with w10. Rest of them are switching to something else because of the horrible OS. how many like the new 950s? almost all, but none are willing to buy it again, because of the OS.
    The idea behind windiws 10 is great, but that's it, the idea. The way w10 mobile is right now is totally wrong, from performance to design.
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    01-31-2016 01:28 AM
  13. Mark Baker3's Avatar
    The 650 will help in europe hugely. I see alot of them about when on the train..... Well 640s anyway.
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    01-31-2016 03:02 AM
  14. Ivan05il's Avatar
    Last year I used to be excited about the previews, I had to have each of them installed, I did not mind the bugs, they were a part of the game. I was not worried much about them not disappearing too quickly. But then it was released with new handsets and the problems I was dealing with were still there according to the reports. It was like a bucket of cold water. I find it highly unprofessional to release such a product. I am in a software development, so I know you can't remove them all, but the obvious ones must be gone. Also MS not caring if they sold the phones to general public or not. This is a cutthroat business and being zen about it makes no sense. They don't care enough to put up a fight, to bring out new exciting devices, there was nothing for years, I am guessing because they were not allowed to put more money into this sinking ship. It pains me, I was with WP since it was 7.0 and I had a belief that something would become of it, but not anymore. I still like my L1520, the best phone I had, but I don't think I am going to put W10 on it. And when it dies, I will have a decision to make, iOS or Android.
    01-31-2016 03:08 AM
  15. vishwas_prabhu's Avatar
    Nokia should not have abandoned Symbian and MeeGo, Nokia should not have sold itself to MS...Yes...WM is dying
    01-31-2016 03:14 AM
  16. SeptynAde's Avatar
    my report to the station: in Indonesia WM10 is getting booted and me as a windows addict got bullied and left alone, a lot. may the force be with us all
    01-31-2016 04:02 AM
  17. murtaza_p's Avatar
    what Microsoft needs is innovation. all the phones which were under nokia had some "wow" factor which made me own almost every one of them. they looked gorgeous and every phone that I owned I felt content . with the brilliant camera of the 920 (for that time) to the monster 41 mp camera and the oversampling technique opted by the 1020 to the metal chassis of the last nokia Lumia branded phone the 830 had that amazing feel to own the phone in spite the shortcomings of the app ecosystem . even though I have a LG G4 dual sim I still am inclined to the MS OS which always made me use my second sim in the Lumia. So when I decided to buy swap the Lumia 830 as I felt it wasn't quick enough to I din swap for the L950/950XL as I felt It din have the charm of the old lumians and hence picked up a Lumia 1520 in the blink of an eye, and I felt happy with my decision over the 950/950XL as the device just din feel worthy enough to be a flagship, the build as compared to the 1520 felt cheap and in India its still ridiculously priced . so until Microsoft doesn't take up some design cues from its previous lumians , my 1520 is a keeper .
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    01-31-2016 07:21 AM
  18. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    what Microsoft needs is innovation. all the phones which were under nokia had some "wow" factor which made me own almost every one of them. they looked gorgeous and every phone that I owned I felt content . with the brilliant camera of the 920 (for that time) to the monster 41 mp camera and the oversampling technique opted by the 1020 to the metal chassis of the last nokia Lumia branded phone the 830 had that amazing feel to own the phone in spite the shortcomings of the app ecosystem . even though I have a LG G4 dual sim I still am inclined to the MS OS which always made me use my second sim in the Lumia. So when I decided to buy swap the Lumia 830 as I felt it wasn't quick enough to I din swap for the L950/950XL as I felt It din have the charm of the old lumians and hence picked up a Lumia 1520 in the blink of an eye, and I felt happy with my decision over the 950/950XL as the device just din feel worthy enough to be a flagship, the build as compared to the 1520 felt cheap and in India its still ridiculously priced . so until Microsoft doesn't take up some design cues from its previous lumians , my 1520 is a keeper .
    I think that Microsoft has been innovative enough. Live tiles alone is a wonderful innovation that combines widgets and icons. I prefer it over the UIs of iOS and Android. The streamlined nature of the underlying OS is fantastic... battery life on my 520 was amazing.

    If Microsoft is interested in turning things around, the following needs to happen:


    • Make up with Google. Whatever corporate feuding that went on that resulted in a boycott of Google providing their apps/services on Windows Phone needs to be dealt with. None of this 3rd party fill ins... Google apps directly from Google.
    • Be Practical, Stop with the FUD. Microsoft climbed to the top of the heap back in the day by spreading FUD rather than actually delivering. That doesn't work anymore because there are companies now that are actually producing things that move technology forward.

      Stop with Belfiore demonstrating a phone that can run desktop Windows that can be converted to a full computer unless that capability is within 3 months of being released as a product. Stop showing what is possible and produce it!

      Every time Microsoft showcases some possibility that never comes to fruition, like "custom blades" for the Surface, it leaves a negative impression with people.
    • Demonstrate a REAL commitment to the mobile space. Microsoft has perhaps the worst reputation in the mobile space... maybe even worse that Blackberry. They have no one to blame but themselves. Microsoft needs to admit (to industry insiders, techies, and enthusiasts like us) to their multiple reboots in the mobile space, articulate what they've learned, why it happened, and why it won't happen in the future.

      They need to make a corporate promise to a serious long-term commitment and stick to it... regardless. There is no shortcut to a track record. It will take years to undo the damage they've done... and they may never fully recover. But the payoff to the company's image overall will improve if they do.
    01-31-2016 07:46 AM
  19. murtaza_p's Avatar
    I think that Microsoft has been innovative enough. Live tiles alone is a wonderful innovation that combines widgets and icons. I prefer it over the UIs of iOS and Android. The streamlined nature of the underlying OS is fantastic... battery life on my 520 was amazing.

    If Microsoft is interested in turning things around, the following needs to happen:


    • Make up with Google. Whatever corporate feuding that went on that resulted in a boycott of Google providing their apps/services on Windows Phone needs to be dealt with. None of this 3rd party fill ins... Google apps directly from Google.
    • Be Practical, Stop with the FUD. Microsoft climbed to the top of the heap back in the day by spreading FUD rather than actually delivering. That doesn't work anymore because there are companies now that are actually producing things that move technology forward.

      Stop with Belfiore demonstrating a phone that can run desktop Windows that can be converted to a full computer unless that capability is within 3 months of being released as a product. Stop showing what is possible and produce it!

      Every time Microsoft showcases some possibility that never comes to fruition, like "custom blades" for the Surface, it leaves a negative impression with people.
    • Demonstrate a REAL commitment to the mobile space. Microsoft has perhaps the worst reputation in the mobile space... maybe even worse that Blackberry. They have no one to blame but themselves. Microsoft needs to admit (to industry insiders, techies, and enthusiasts like us) to their multiple reboots in the mobile space, articulate what they've learned, why it happened, and why it won't happen in the future.

      They need to make a corporate promise to a serious long-term commitment and stick to it... regardless. There is no shortcut to a track record. It will take years to undo the damage they've done... and they may never fully recover. But the payoff to the company's image overall will improve if they do.
    agreed with every word you said . however I still feel Microsoft lacks the original charm it had of the previous lumians. They don't have that aesthetic appeal that the previous XX20 and XX30 series carried . The cameras for example, I don't see much improvement over my 1520 as compared to the 950 twins , the boxy body , and what ever happened to that beautiful 2.5D curved screen that the previous lumias had ??
    yes agree Microsoft gave the users a removable battery and a micro SD card slot but the same is offered by my other phone the LG G4 and it still looks gorgeous .
    I believe on the software front Microsoft did a big mistake by releasing the technical preview versions of W10 to the public , the software is fresh and breaks the monotony of IOS and android but had they released this build 10586.63 directly with the L950/950XL and released this as an RTM directly the people would have appreciated this much better rather than always having an IF or a BUT and comparing it to other platforms . yes I agree this OS Isn't stable & crashes but with the number of technical preview versions released I guess the public and even me at times are expected the next iteration to be flawed even before its released.
    The pricing as well is a complete stupidity !
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    01-31-2016 08:53 AM
  20. celticmagick's Avatar
    It's the same boat that BlackBerry is in. In order to regain traction you must give consumers a reason to switch. Simply having apps won't do it.

    Someone mentioned that BB10 is innovative. BB10 is simply another OS that did the same as the other platforms but with "for" apps. The Hub isn't a big enough selling point for the brain washed masses. Also, BlackBerry sold out to Android and they're still in the toilet - proof that apps aren't the saving grace.

    The same goes for Windows mobile. It's just another OS but without the important key apps. What can Microsoft do to generate interest in their platform - both desktop and mobile? Windows mobile needs an ability (one that isn't buggy and half baked) that the other mobile OS' lack in order to gain momentum.
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    01-31-2016 09:11 AM
  21. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    It's the same boat that BlackBerry is in. In order to regain traction you must give consumers a reason to switch. Simply having apps won't do it.

    Someone mentioned that BB10 is innovative. BB10 is simply another OS that did the same as the other platforms but with "for" apps. The Hub isn't a big enough selling point for the brain washed masses. Also, BlackBerry sold out to Android and they're still in the toilet - proof that apps aren't the saving grace.

    The same goes for Windows mobile. It's just another OS but without the important key apps. What can Microsoft do to generate interest in their platform - both desktop and mobile? Windows mobile needs an ability (one that isn't buggy and half baked) that the other mobile OS' lack in order to gain momentum.
    They've had years to do this and failed
    01-31-2016 10:58 AM
  22. murtaza_p's Avatar
    It's the same boat that BlackBerry is in. In order to regain traction you must give consumers a reason to switch. Simply having apps won't do it.

    Someone mentioned that BB10 is innovative. BB10 is simply another OS that did the same as the other platforms but with "for" apps. The Hub isn't a big enough selling point for the brain washed masses. Also, BlackBerry sold out to Android and they're still in the toilet - proof that apps aren't the saving grace.

    The same goes for Windows mobile. It's just another OS but without the important key apps. What can Microsoft do to generate interest in their platform - both desktop and mobile? Windows mobile needs an ability (one that isn't buggy and half baked) that the other mobile OS' lack in order to gain momentum.
    agreed . however apps isn't going to save Microsoft , the consumer needs more than just apps. as ive always believed that one cant "just" have a windows phone as a daily driver specially with a half baked os , the W10 platform as of now isn't as stable as the IOS and Android competitions, on the other hand the Lumia 950/950XL still are more expensive than the best of android phones from most companies including LG and Samsung specially with such an OS. its reached to such a state that the 950XL is only on "order basis" in my city now as the retailers don't want any dead stock with them however getting a new Lumia 1520 was fairy easy for me including some of the old Lumia models . Microsoft really needs some solid phones which carried the same charm as the old lumians let it be in any department (camera/looks/fit and finish) and not just apps . once the sales numbers are back up so will the developers take more interest in developing apps for this ecosystem as at this point why would they develop apps for a failing ecosystem? just like the blackberry hub was not a "moving factor" for the masses to adopt blackberry like wise the camera and image processing capabilities aren't enough to move the masses to the windows ecosystem.
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    01-31-2016 11:37 AM
  23. justmoe40's Avatar
    WM was never meant to compete. nobody expected it and relying on it is only going to get you frustrated. Microsoft plays this game smart and controls the part of the industry that matters. Without MS all platforms would lack certain functionality without certain apps and patent agreements. WP is a niche market and will always suffer at the onset of new releases. mostly apps suffer and platform has to grow out of a beta. those who use WP and stay go in understanding this but also see something that dominates the industry either now or in the future.
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    01-31-2016 11:47 AM
  24. Revvin's Avatar
    I used a Windows Phone a few years ago and absolutely hated it. It was a Nokia Lumia 820 that I was issued by the company I worked for because someone in our office fell for the patter given to them by the local phone store. It was pretty dire, very few apps and the battery life was truly awful. For a group of engineers out on the go having to deal with sub-contractors, wholesalers, clients etc. while on the move the battery rarely lasted more than half a day. We had to buy in car chargers just to make the phone last a working day. Batteries tend to make up for most of the weight of a device and the 820 weighed a ton compared to my iPhone 4 at the time so it was surprising that the battery life was so bad.

    Fast forward to this year and I started with a new company and....got issued with a Windows Phone. This time its a Lumia 640 and I'm rather liking it! Some of the others in the office grumbled about a lack of apps but I have everything on there I need for my day to day working life - I don't really need much more than email, a browser, camera and of course the ability to make calls. The battery life is very good and has lasted up to two days on a single charge and even if I was using this phone for personal use it still has the apps I need like WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter etc. The camera is very good, impressive compared with my own phone - an Xperia Z3.

    I like the look of the Lumia 950, I prefer the bigger XL model and if I were to buy a phone right now I think I'd be very tempted to buy one. In the past I have shied away from phones like the Lumia and Galaxy series with their plastic bodies in favour of handsets that feel premium like the iPhone 4, 5 and now my Xperia Z3. The catch is that while the iPhone 4 proved to be quite a hardy device the iPhone 5 dropped once which resulted in a massive dent which pushed the front glass out and the rear aluminium body pitted and scratched terribly even in a case which made it look far from premium if I took it out of the case. The Xperia Z3 dropped once and smashed so the reality is for me a phone like the Lumia 950 with a replaceable back cover is really not an issue and may even be considered a plus!

    My contract is not up until next October so by then perhaps the rumoured Surface Phone will be announced, it may well be a premium handset, I think its perhaps something Microsoft need but if they released an updated 950 I think that would also be very tempting. I've switched from Blackberry to iOS to Android but its Windows Phone that is the most tempting to me right now and I'm seeing a lot more of them around which is odd as sales figures are supposed to be down.
    01-31-2016 12:05 PM
  25. sevoman's Avatar
    That is exactly why you can't fall behind... ever. In the tech game, catching up can be and usually is impossible. Even for a juggernaut like Microsoft that has all the resources in the world, INCLUDING a base of over 90 percent global PC users.. they still couldn't do it. In fact, the reason MS is so keen on pushing everyone to Windows 10 is not because they want to better than mobile share, but because they were also starting to lose share in the desktop operating system market. Windows 8/8.1 probably lost about 1% or more market share to Mac. This and the popularity of iPhones creating windows to mac converts, MS realized that their ENTIRE product like is on the chopping block if they don't get their acts together. At this point they are still not out of the woods, they need to write off the whole Windows mobile fiasco and just concentrates and keeping their market share and not losing any more to Mac. Just a few more percent loss could suddenly avalanche to record drops in their PC market share with Apple gaining. In business, nothing is guaranteed, and if you snooze, you lose.
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    01-31-2016 12:23 PM
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