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  1. ninjaap's Avatar
    I'm beginning to think that MS pulled the plug on all AT&T WP7 phones, not just Samsungs... Yes I understand they flipped it back on, but still no update for my Surround.
    03-04-2011 12:04 PM
  2. Luisraul924's Avatar
    I'm beginning to think that MS pulled the plug on all AT&T WP7 phones, not just Samsungs... Yes I understand they flipped it back on, but still no update for my Surround.
    ATT blocked the update
    03-04-2011 12:10 PM
  3. ninjaap's Avatar
    ATT blocked the update
    I was assuming so. Any links to a blog?
    03-04-2011 12:20 PM
  4. theefman's Avatar
    Nothing for T-Mo either, seems to be the established practice of US carriers mirroring each other's actions. Stuck with a Dell Venue Pro now but my next device will be an unlocked, unbranded phone, preferably a Nokia. All these far eastern OEM's produce shoddy devices in one form or another, MS would be well rid of them.
    03-04-2011 12:20 PM
  5. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Well they blocked it for good reason. ATT: so that their devices don't get bricked. T-Mobile: there's a firmware and radio update that's pending for the HD7, but as far as this is going they'll probably just stuff those updates into nodo and push that instead. I mean think about it do you think they would rather deal with "where's the update?" customers, or "the update fuked up my phone!" customers?
    03-04-2011 02:21 PM
  6. Averry's Avatar
    All of this is leaving an extremely sour taste for me.......making me worried.

    If Microsoft can't turn this around into some kind of success story soon..........eeek.
    03-04-2011 02:53 PM
  7. chnkfc's Avatar
    can someone post where they saw this firmware update info for the hd7? i haven't seen it anywhere,unless im looking in the wrong places.
    03-04-2011 03:13 PM
  8. Luisraul924's Avatar
    can someone post where they saw this firmware update info for the hd7? i haven't seen it anywhere,unless im looking in the wrong places.
    well I'm typing this from my HD7 so its a bit difficult to get links here without copy/paste lol... Anyways I forgot where I read that but I do know that if you want the non final buggy version of that update, and you have a dev unlocked device you can find the rom on XDA. Keep in mind that this isn't the pre nodo update its just the firmware and radio updates from HTC.
    03-04-2011 03:45 PM
  9. chnkfc's Avatar
    thanks for the response.. i really dont care about the pre-nodo update,like many have said including myself,it'll come in a bundle with the NoDo update,but people seem to want it soo bad they keep forgetting.
    03-04-2011 04:18 PM
  10. jimski's Avatar
    Point is, if you don't run an update, any update, no one will ever know if it will work successfully. Not Microsoft, not AT&T, not T-Mobile, not HTC. With 9000 apps in Marketplace, multiple SD card swaps, various side load scenarios and apparent multiple firmware versions no one can be sure how successful an update will go until you try it. Talking and testing is nit the same as doing. We would still be gazing at the moon rather than walking on it if we wanted everything to be 100% foolproof. Push out the damn update, regardless of how small and collect the data. Done.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    03-04-2011 05:26 PM
  11. Enemy Zero's Avatar
    I'm just hoping if one gets the update, all get the update at the same time. I'm really hoping this doesn't turn into another android fragmentation mess like the one I left this phone for.
    03-05-2011 09:36 AM
  12. onlywaytomo's Avatar
    Agreed I have t mobile

    Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
    03-05-2011 10:26 AM
  13. ninjaap's Avatar
    Maybe they just stopped all updates to supposedly release it Monday:

    February WP7 Update and NoDo Coming Monday?

    http://www.windowscentral.com/ATT-fo...28wpcentral%29
    Last edited by ninjaap; 03-05-2011 at 02:45 PM.
    03-05-2011 02:26 PM
  14. theefman's Avatar
    Well they blocked it for good reason. ATT: so that their devices don't get bricked. T-Mobile: there's a firmware and radio update that's pending for the HD7, but as far as this is going they'll probably just stuff those updates into nodo and push that instead. I mean think about it do you think they would rather deal with "where's the update?" customers, or "the update fuked up my phone!" customers?
    You say that as though its guaranteed that the update will brick devices. The issue has only affected Samsung devices so at&t may have a point but whats T-Mobile's excuse, especially for the Dell Venue Pro which they dont sell or support?
    03-07-2011 11:12 AM
  15. Luisraul924's Avatar
    You say that as though its guaranteed that the update will brick devices. The issue has only affected Samsung devices so at&t may have a point but whats T-Mobile's excuse, especially for the Dell Venue Pro which they dont sell or support?
    you're right, it didn't really brick many devices, but I've worked for ATT and their level of scrutiny is amazing and i know for a fact that ATT doesnt want their customers to call back in to their customer service centers after initial issue resolution, so unnecessary call volume is especially not welcome. That one is pretty easy to understand why they blocked. As for T-Mobile; read my reasoning on my post you quoted, the HD7, as of now the only device they support. You are absolutely right on the Dell Venue Pro, all they do is provide service for the device no more, much like the nexus s, where hardware support is directed to Samsung and software support directed to Google I believe. So I'm sure its something similar for the DVP right?
    03-07-2011 11:29 AM
  16. theefman's Avatar
    you're right, it didn't really brick many devices, but I've worked for ATT and their level of scrutiny is amazing and i know for a fact that ATT doesnt want their customers to call back in to their customer service centers after initial issue resolution, so unnecessary call volume is especially not welcome. That one is pretty easy to understand why they blocked. As for T-Mobile; read my reasoning on my post you quoted, the HD7, as of now the only device they support. You are absolutely right on the Dell Venue Pro, all they do is provide service for the device no more, much like the nexus s, where hardware support is directed to Samsung and software support directed to Google I believe. So I'm sure its something similar for the DVP right?
    From what I've read T-mobile reps dont even know the phone exists! Most queries are directed to Dell so yes, similar to the nexus devices support system. Which makes it even harder to take that they could be blocking updates for it.
    03-07-2011 11:45 AM
  17. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    MS is looking pretty bad by not sticking to their guns. The first minor upadate was a fail, not the NoDo, is no where to be found. I'm with Paul Thorrot when he says there's no way that the major update that's coming late this year will see the light of day in 2011. I already have a Focus but do for a upgrade soon, and my fiance is due for a phone right now. If MS can't a tleasat show they can release updates without disaster, then I'm moving us both to Android phones. /rant
    03-07-2011 01:03 PM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    MS is looking pretty bad by not sticking to their guns. The first minor upadate was a fail, not the NoDo, is no where to be found. I'm with Paul Thorrot when he says there's no way that the major update that's coming late this year will see the light of day in 2011. I already have a Focus but do for a upgrade soon, and my fiance is due for a phone right now. If MS can't a tleasat show they can release updates without disaster, then I'm moving us both to Android phones. /rant
    Its sad, virtually everything about WP7 is "coming soon", multitasking, real time multiplayer, advanced API's, and not just round the corner, its months away, and thats barring any delays. Even copy and paste is still a no show, not to talk of the bug fixes that should have been priority. All the good will and excitement after the announcement at MWC 2010 seems to be completely gone because MS decided to hand over the keys to the kingdom to the carriers, and all thats left is a few fans like us while everyone has eyes on android and apple. Lets just hope they dont pull a Kin and leave us hanging.
    03-07-2011 02:59 PM
  19. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Its sad, virtually everything about WP7 is "coming soon", multitasking, real time multiplayer, advanced API's, and not just round the corner, its months away, and thats barring any delays. Even copy and paste is still a no show, not to talk of the bug fixes that should have been priority. All the good will and excitement after the announcement at MWC 2010 seems to be completely gone because MS decided to hand over the keys to the kingdom to the carriers, and all thats left is a few fans like us while everyone has eyes on android and apple. Lets just hope they dont pull a Kin and leave us hanging.
    Well I'm not sure they would abandon WP7 now that they gave Nokia 1,000,000,000 dollars, literally, no matter how deep my pockets were, I would never ever just give a company that was starting to crash and burn, one billion dollars if throwing the strategy away is a secret company option why would they give Nokia that much money?
    03-07-2011 05:20 PM
  20. spitothec's Avatar
    Well I'm not sure they would abandon WP7 now that they gave Nokia 1,000,000,000 dollars, literally, no matter how deep my pockets were, I would never ever just give a company that was starting to crash and burn, one billion dollars if throwing the strategy away is a secret company option why would they give Nokia that much money?
    It's rumored they lost over 300mil on the Kin so it's not exactly far fetched for them to give up on something they've invested an enormous sum of money into..

    Also, that's a really long sentence.
    03-07-2011 05:35 PM
  21. cdook's Avatar
    It's rumored they lost over 300mil on the Kin so it's not exactly far fetched for them to give up on something they've invested an enormous sum of money into..

    Also, that's a really long sentence.
    I think the future of Microsoft's operating system business depends on them having a mobile OS. People are spending less time on computers and more time on phones, so for them to pull the plug they'd be crazy.
    03-07-2011 06:07 PM
  22. spitothec's Avatar
    well at the rate their marketshare grew from october to january, they'll be forced to pull the plug by october because they won't have any users left. being crazy and making mistakes for sometimes no reason is what microsoft is best at.. ask their home server customers.

    they're hemorraging money from nearly everything they do that's consumer focused, i wouldn't be surprised if they axed their entire consumer line at some point in the future... and their OS business has very little to do with a mobile OS. when it comes to their bread and butter business, WP7 has absolutely nothing to do with it's continued use and income.

    edit: a quick search brought this up for 2008 -
    http://www.tannerhelland.com/wp-cont...ing-income.png
    and from everything i'm hearing, the server and client sides are growing while their consumer and online service profits are continuing to decline.
    they're pumping billions of dollars into wp7 and making next to no money on it.. they'd almost be crazy to push this envelope much further.
    03-07-2011 06:34 PM
  23. Averry's Avatar
    It's rumored they lost over 300mil on the Kin so it's not exactly far fetched for them to give up on something they've invested an enormous sum of money into..

    Also, that's a really long sentence.
    The Kin though is a multi-layered fail story though.

    For one...J. Allard ending up leaving the company...one of the guys that Microsoft often toted as the "he gets consumers" guy. Robbie Bach ended up peacing out too....

    I think the Kin would have been highly successful if they had just released it as a feature phone with wifi capabilities. How many feature phones have wifi? Pretty much none.....

    So anyways. If Microsoft doesn't stick with it......they might as well fold up on the entire consumer market.
    03-07-2011 07:40 PM
  24. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Ah well then I concede that I no longer care too much the damn thing does what I want it to do and does it well so long as they support it for the two years that my contract lasts I'll be fine lol.
    03-07-2011 08:52 PM
  25. Averry's Avatar
    Ah well then I concede that I no longer care too much the damn thing does what I want it to do and does it well so long as they support it for the two years that my contract lasts I'll be fine lol.
    Look, mobile is the new market. It's still really early on...and they could kill the Kin because it was really just a play at the market that lies between feature phones and smart phones which was only ever going to be temporary.

    Eventually all phones sold, will be some sort of smart phone...so I dont' think Microsoft will throw in the towel unless it's part of some company oriented complete paradigm shift for them. It would be a huge effin deal. Bringing up the Kin as reason for WP7 getting yanked is just silly in my opinion. It's not even part of the equation.

    I wouldn't worry about a damn thing.

    :)
    03-07-2011 09:34 PM
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