07-19-2012 03:32 PM
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  1. dkp23's Avatar
    I guess we will see in August when they report their quarter.

    I originally thought it would be a stretch for Nokia to get 500,000 lumias sold in Q2, lets see if this is true or not.

    I am assuming these are units sold to the Consumer by carriers and other partners.


    Nokia May Have Only Sold 330,000 Lumias In The Last Four Months In The U.S. - Yahoo! Finance

    Nokia May Have Only Sold 330,000 Lumias In The Last Four Months In The U.S.
    Business InsiderBy Jay Yarow | Business Insider 2 hours 25 minutes ago

    "It's looking very bleak for Microsoft's big partnership with Nokia.

    After crunching smartphone market data from comScore and Nielsen, Horace Dediu believes Nokia only had 330,000 Lumia smartphones in use over the last four months in the U.S.

    If this is accurate, it's devastating for both Microsoft and Nokia. Nokia was betting on the Windows Phone platform to reinvigorate the company. Microsoft, likewise, was betting on Nokia, with it large distribution, and rich heritage of phone making to launch Windows Phone.

    Here's how Dediu arrived at his conclusion:

    Nielsens total Windows base adds up to 4.5% while comScore reckons on 4%. Within that total, Nielsen breaks out 3.2% for Windows Mobile and 1.3% for Windows Phone. Within the Windows Phone total, HTC and Samsung are shown as having 0.5% and Nokia 0.3%.

    If we then use comScores figure for total smartphone users (110 million) then the data would suggest that there are 330k Lumias in use in the US. This would have been accumulated over a sales period of about four months.

    Head over to Asymco for more details and colorful charts >"
    07-13-2012 02:05 PM
  2. inteller's Avatar
    that is utter horse manure. To be on the Amazon top seller list you have to move millions.

    Nielsen needs to back the fock off and just wait for the numbers next week.
    07-13-2012 02:09 PM
  3. HeyCori's Avatar
    That looks like the same article that was posted at WMPoweruser. It was heavily disputed by the commenters.

    Nielsen: Nokia only sold less than 300,000 Nokia Lumia 900 in USA | WMPoweruser
    07-13-2012 02:16 PM
  4. inteller's Avatar
    I think they will find out come next week that the metrics they have been using to derive market share are seriously flawed.
    07-13-2012 02:22 PM
  5. cgk's Avatar
    Asymco is generally pretty solid in their analysis, they might be out slightly but I doubt it is by much - he is certainly not going to be out by hundreds of thousands of units.

    Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express
    07-13-2012 02:28 PM
  6. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Hopefully Nokias fortunes will change for the better with WP8. People are still buying Lumias, but not enough. It's a shame, really. They make great phones. I'm planning to buy a Pureview WP8 device for my next phone and I don't want to see them disappear. Getting absorbed by MS wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to our beloved platform, but the backlash from all the pundits, asserting this was Microsofts plan all along-to tank Nokia and pick them up on the cheap-would be severe and could potentially damage WP and Microsoft sales. And they already have a bad enough public image as it is.
    07-13-2012 02:38 PM
  7. selfcreation's Avatar
    that is utter horse manure. To be on the Amazon top seller list you have to move millions.

    Nielsen needs to back the fock off and just wait for the numbers next week.
    but amazon is world Wide ,,, this is about US only no?
    07-13-2012 02:57 PM
  8. cgk's Avatar
    You don't need to sell millions to end up on the best sellers list.

    Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express
    07-13-2012 03:05 PM
  9. theefman's Avatar
    Anything is possible, and really once again we've seen lackluster marketing. Seems after the first few weeks everything has stopped and after all that talk of "Rolling Thunder" you would think they would be everywhere promoting the Lumia 900.

    Maybe the whole WP8 upgrade thing really was a surprise and now Nokia and at&t decided to pull back on the marketing? Whatever the case, I'm still for blaming Microsoft for not giving Nokia the tools to get the job done. Too busy playing with their ipads....:dry
    07-13-2012 03:46 PM
  10. selfcreation's Avatar
    Whatever the case, I'm still for blaming Microsoft for not giving Nokia the tools to get the job done. Too busy playing with their ipads....:dry
    ROLF! :happy:
    07-13-2012 03:57 PM
  11. AKA Preluva's Avatar
    LOL Better start innovating Nokia and MS! The clock is ticking and pureview ain't gonna help you! Come October they had better bring it with a Phon-let version of the Surface tablet. This is new and exciting and currently not sold in the US! So bring something innovating to the table before the cRapple beats you to the punch.... Again! :P
    07-13-2012 05:42 PM
  12. Reflexx's Avatar
    I call BS.
    07-13-2012 08:57 PM
  13. based_graham's Avatar
    What is the top selling phones on Amazon right now per carrier I know Lumia is in the top 5
    07-13-2012 09:00 PM
  14. jmerrey's Avatar
    How many people actually purchase a phone on contract via amazon?
    07-13-2012 09:15 PM
  15. eLseStudio's Avatar
    I thought news about "out of stock - Lumia 900" were happening every in US by then? If "out of stock" is real and 330k sold is real. Nokia just prepared that few phones then.

    And how about siri saying Lumia 900 is the best phone? All 330,000 voted 5 stars and millions of iPhone user vote 4 star for iPhone? Hehe.
    07-14-2012 02:46 AM
  16. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Honestly. I think the Nokia Lumia 900 and 710 was just a introduction or a test or a practice to the US. and I really think that Nokia is going full force on Wp8 and pureview :D
    07-14-2012 02:51 AM
  17. cgk's Avatar
    The interesting thing is that if you look at the commentary below Horace's analysis, he mentions that he has tried to be generous in his analysis and thus might have over-estimated the numbers sold.
    07-14-2012 04:44 AM
  18. HerronScott's Avatar
    How many people actually purchase a phone on contract via amazon?
    We've done it twice now for my son and wife as we could get the 2 phones for 1 cent that would have cost us $150 at the local AT&T store (I think it was $100 the first time for 2).

    Scott
    07-14-2012 11:31 AM
  19. jimski's Avatar
    Then as Lumias appear to be in the Top 5 of multiple sales charts the past few months, I suppose no one is buying phones. Makes you wonder how Android is activating 1M handsets a day, when Lumias are running neck to neck on several charts.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    07-14-2012 11:45 AM
  20. jmerrey's Avatar
    Common sense.

    Just do an informal survey of the phone landscape in your local area. Go to the mall, zoo, movie theater, whatever. When you're out to dinner. It's easy to see who uses what phone. Count 'em up! If the Lumia 900, or any wp7 device for that matter, was selling well, you'd see them around. I bet most of us are like me: when I see any wp7 device in the public it's a big deal. "Wow I just saw a Focus S!"

    What is the ratio of iphones to wp7 devices in the wild? 100 to 1, 1000 to 1?

    They aren't selling, period.

    I go out to lunch every day during the work week. I go to the movies about twice a month, casino three times a week. Plus countless trips to the mall, grocery store, walmart, etc. I can go weeks without seeing another Lumia 900 in the wild. I wish I saw them all the time, but I don't.

    330,000 would mean 5,000 to 7,000 a state, depending on the population. That almost sounds too high to me...
    07-14-2012 12:08 PM
  21. Reflexx's Avatar
    Common sense.

    Just do an informal survey of the phone landscape in your local area. Go to the mall, zoo, movie theater, whatever. When you're out to dinner. It's easy to see who uses what phone. Count 'em up! If the Lumia 900, or any wp7 device for that matter, was selling well, you'd see them around. I bet most of us are like me: when I see any wp7 device in the public it's a big deal. "Wow I just saw a Focus S!"

    What is the ratio of iphones to wp7 devices in the wild? 100 to 1, 1000 to 1?

    They aren't selling, period.

    I go out to lunch every day during the work week. I go to the movies about twice a month, casino three times a week. Plus countless trips to the mall, grocery store, walmart, etc. I can go weeks without seeing another Lumia 900 in the wild. I wish I saw them all the time, but I don't.

    330,000 would mean 5,000 to 7,000 a state, depending on the population. That almost sounds too high to me...
    Wait... are you saying that it's common sense to use personal anecdotal evidence as proof?

    The high school I graduated from had 2500 students. One school in farming community in California. There were about 4 high schools in the city.

    But estimating 7000 handsets in a whole state is too high because you personally don't notice them every often? Really?
    07-14-2012 02:03 PM
  22. jmerrey's Avatar
    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If I don't see all 330,000 in person, there's no way they sold that many...
    07-14-2012 04:27 PM
  23. Residing's Avatar
    Common sense.

    Just do an informal survey of the phone landscape in your local area. Go to the mall, zoo, movie theater, whatever. When you're out to dinner. It's easy to see who uses what phone. Count 'em up! If the Lumia 900, or any wp7 device for that matter, was selling well, you'd see them around. I bet most of us are like me: when I see any wp7 device in the public it's a big deal. "Wow I just saw a Focus S!"

    What is the ratio of iphones to wp7 devices in the wild? 100 to 1, 1000 to 1?

    They aren't selling, period.

    I go out to lunch every day during the work week. I go to the movies about twice a month, casino three times a week. Plus countless trips to the mall, grocery store, walmart, etc. I can go weeks without seeing another Lumia 900 in the wild. I wish I saw them all the time, but I don't.

    330,000 would mean 5,000 to 7,000 a state, depending on the population. That almost sounds too high to me...
    I think that the Lumia 900 is selling, to the degree that it can - in this market. The bottom line is that this is one device, on only one carrier in the U.S. 300K devices seems plausible to me, although it would great if the number of devices sold were significantly more than this.

    It is good to be hopeful that the Lumia 900 sold over 300K devices, but there are simply too many choices (Android devices) that drown out the Lumia 900 and other WP devices on ATT. Also, how many people had upgrades in Q2 (rhetorical)? And how many of those people actually chose to upgrade - to any device (WP, Android, etc.)? Not to mention, how many people are volunteering to go from a feature phone/pay go plan, to more than doubling their monthly bill by going to a smartphone, especially in this economy?

    And then you have that carrier factor - people not willing to move from Verizon, T-Mobile, or Sprint just to get a Lumia 900.

    Until Nokia Lumia's are on all carriers, and until new WP devices are available on all carriers, no one who is realistic should expect Nokia, or Microsoft, to sell or have significant marketshare.
    07-14-2012 06:30 PM
  24. HeyCori's Avatar
    Update: Nielson responds

    "Nielsen has spoken up on how its figures have been used, saying it does not support multiplying its numbers with those of Comscore, as they measure subtly different elements of the market. They added that they therefore 'do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate.'"

    Nokia may have only sold 330k phones in the US [Update] - Neowin
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    07-14-2012 08:34 PM
  25. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Update: Nielson responds

    "Nielsen has spoken up on how its figures have been used, saying it does not support multiplying its numbers with those of Comscore, as they measure subtly different elements of the market. They added that they therefore 'do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate.'"

    Nokia may have only sold 330k phones in the US [Update] - Neowin
    YES! hope!
    07-14-2012 09:29 PM
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