07-27-2012 08:02 PM
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  1. thecaringkind's Avatar
    I continue to be blown away by the sheer number of articles from the technorati and blogosphere that unequivocally state that the advent of WPB Apollo instantly and automatically make WP 7.5/7.8 OBSOLETE. For the old heads out there like me, remember that old original Twilight Zone episode 'The Obsolete Man' starring the late great Burgess Meredith? Basically in a future totalitarian state, Meredith's character is deemed 'obsolete' as a citizen due to his belief in the unseen, (faith), and his job as a librarian. His 'crimes' have basically sentenced him to death.

    To draw an analogy based on that great old episode, so many folks on the web have basically passed judgement and convicted WP 7.5 to a death sentence which I think is short-sighted and unfair.

    Could Microsoft have handled things a little better? Sure. Are the improvements in hardware and software worth the clean break. Sure. Do these things mean that everything done up to this point in time make WP 7.5 'obsolete'? Absolutely not.

    I am amazed by the sheer amount of folks who claim to have love for WP castigating the operating system and basically stating that its time is done. Nokia desperately wants to hold on to the early Lumia adopters so they smartly will provide continued updates and support for the platform for the next 18 months after Apollo's release. During that time, I am quite sure that all of those folks like myself who love WP now are not suddenly going to lose their minds and decide that what they have now is crap just because something a little newer is available. Consider too that if there are some who feel that way, they can enjoy 'what's left' of WP 7.5 with the thought that when upgrade time comes around several established WP8 handsets wwith worked out bugs will be available.

    This is NOT a WebOS/HP disaster situation people! Microsoft and Nokia are not going to abandon the platform. There's still a huge untapped market, (think Symbian) that the Lumia 900 platform could potentially exploit on a worldwide market basis. Not so much so here in the states where people are hopelessly drinking Android/iOS Kool-Aide, but to each their own.

    The thought that WP 7.5/7.8 will just be useless and obsolete is kind of ludicrous to me when you consider the sheer number of NEW handsets Android and OEM's crank out every year still running GINGERBREAD for goodness sakes. Does that mean Android 2.3 is obsolete? Certainly not. Its still more than a viable OS used by millions of people.

    Does Microsoft need WP8 to really move on into the future? Absolutely. However the ton of us who are quite happy with WP 7.5 are just as important to an overall platform that could use as many enthusiastic adherents as it can get.

    Long live WP7.5/7.8

    Cheers!

    Last edited by thecaringkind; 07-22-2012 at 09:14 AM.
    07-22-2012 09:01 AM
  2. jimski's Avatar
    I'm with you brother. Still loving, and will continue to enjoy my L900, at least through next Spring.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    07-22-2012 11:17 AM
  3. Old_Cus's Avatar
    I couldn't have said it better. I'm loving my L900 and I don't think I'll be looking at WP8 as long as my current phone works for me.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
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    07-22-2012 11:42 AM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I couldn't have said it better. I'm loving my L900 and I don't think I'll be looking at WP8 as long as my current phone works for me.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    Same here. I'll be an early adopter of desktop Win8, but I don't see a need to be an early adopter of WP8.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    07-22-2012 12:22 PM
  5. justop26's Avatar
    I'll get a new WP8 as soon as they're out, but my current 1st gen Focus is going to serve my mother well, I'm sure.
    07-22-2012 01:10 PM
  6. eric12341's Avatar
    Same here. I'll be an early adopter of desktop Win8, but I don't see a need to be an early adopter of WP8.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express

    I see you finally changed your initial stance on W8, that's good.
    07-22-2012 02:48 PM
  7. Marute's Avatar
    I look very much forward to WP7.8 on ny Lumia 800. WP8 will bring a lot of cool features for sure but that will not make v7.5 and 7.8 any less functional. So I definitely agree with you, I'll continue enjoying using my phone after the launch of WP8, probably even more than I do no because of WP7.8 so it's cool.

    Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express
    07-22-2012 02:57 PM
  8. Quantify's Avatar
    The problem for many of us is that WP 7.5 is an obsolete product. We were looking to WP 8 to fix the problems. Now that won't happen...so we are disappointed.

    In my case, I loved the metro UI, and really wanted MS to succeed...so I bought the L900. I quickly discovered three major flaws:

    the Skype integration (or lack thereof) was a major issue.

    Google Voice wasn't integrated with the dialer.

    Navigation options were poor, and switching between nav and other apps generally killed nav.

    I looked to WP 8 to fix these problems. Clearly that will not happen, so I cancelled my service and went back to my Galaxy Nexus. While I will miss many things about Windows Phone...it's still in beta. I'll wait and reassess when the real final version comes out.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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    07-22-2012 06:06 PM
  9. ninjacut's Avatar
    Agree completely, satisfied Focus S user and will be happy with 7.8. Win8 really needs new hardware features like NFC so worth the wait

    Sent from my Windows Phone 7.5
    07-22-2012 06:24 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I see you finally changed your initial stance on W8, that's good.
    I'm getting a Surface.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    07-22-2012 06:48 PM
  11. johnmcd348's Avatar
    That's kind of how I feel about Windows Phone also. I just still cannot understand why Microsoft put out such a low end OS on the Market when they did. They could have done just as well by creating a skin over WM to get by until they worked all the kinks out of Windows Phone. To top it off, they did a horrible job promoting it and getting it out to the market. I'm staying with Windows only because I figure I have nothing else to loose. I've been a WM user for many years and just stuck with it after my TP2 went bad and was upgraded.

    I'll wait and see what happens after they actually release and ship WP8 devices before I make any final decisions.
    07-22-2012 07:27 PM
  12. eric12341's Avatar
    The problem for many of us is that WP 7.5 is an obsolete product. We were looking to WP 8 to fix the problems. Now that won't happen...so we are disappointed.

    In my case, I loved the metro UI, and really wanted MS to succeed...so I bought the L900. I quickly discovered three major flaws:

    the Skype integration (or lack thereof) was a major issue.

    Google Voice wasn't integrated with the dialer.

    Navigation options were poor, and switching between nav and other apps generally killed nav.

    I looked to WP 8 to fix these problems. Clearly that will not happen, so I cancelled my service and went back to my Galaxy Nexus. While I will miss many things about Windows Phone...it's still in beta. I'll wait and reassess when the real final version comes out.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    Of course GV wouldn't be integrated in the dialer, its a google feature. MS has nothing to do with that, especially since Google is breaking alot of it's features for non google devices. Also with navigation apps it's never been a problem for me once resumed it updates with position, same as how it is with iOS. Shouldn't really be using apps when driving anyway. Android is even more so a beta than WP is there's malware, spam,spyware and inefficient use of hardware.
    07-22-2012 08:08 PM
  13. thecaringkind's Avatar
    I suppose that there are some make or break issues with folks and that's according to each persons individual needs. However no OS is perfect and I think its unfair to the overall competency of WP to single out issues that no different in many ways from the issues that nag Android & iOS. In any event overall customer satisfaction means a lot and WP users are overwhelmingly happy with their OS and their hardware.
    07-22-2012 08:26 PM
  14. happynoodleboy's Avatar
    In WP8 navigation apps will be able to run in the background so your route will not have to be recalculated every time you resume the application. Also Skype is built into the dialer in WP8. Google voice will probably never be integrated for obvious reasons.
    07-22-2012 08:31 PM
  15. vp710's Avatar
    The problem for many of us is that WP 7.5 is an obsolete product. We were looking to WP 8 to fix the problems. Now that won't happen...so we are disappointed.

    In my case, I loved the metro UI, and really wanted MS to succeed...so I bought the L900. I quickly discovered three major flaws:

    the Skype integration (or lack thereof) was a major issue.

    Google Voice wasn't integrated with the dialer.

    Navigation options were poor, and switching between nav and other apps generally killed nav.

    I looked to WP 8 to fix these problems. Clearly that will not happen, so I cancelled my service and went back to my Galaxy Nexus. While I will miss many things about Windows Phone...it's still in beta. I'll wait and reassess when the real final version comes out.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    Beta? You know what "beta" means, right? Android is a beta OS. Poor performance and bugs. The WP OS may be lacking some features but it works flawlessly (better than iOS or Droid). There's nothing "beta" about it. Please use the right words.

    GVoice not being integrated is kind of obvious man. MetroTalk is a great app, with a very responsive dev delivering regular updates that works perfectly for GVoice.
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    07-22-2012 08:42 PM
  16. diapers's Avatar
    The premise of your post assumes that WP7 is perfect. It is not, it lacks many many things so yes WP8 coming out with the things everyone wanted in WP7 will make WP7 obsolete. It's just a fact of life.
    07-22-2012 09:35 PM
  17. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    The premise of your post assumes that WP7 is perfect. It is not, it lacks many many things so yes WP8 coming out with the things everyone wanted in WP7 will make WP7 obsolete. It's just a fact of life.
    If you're talking about the OP's post, his premise is that WP7 is functional. I think you're reading the idea of perfection into his words.
    07-22-2012 09:44 PM
  18. Quantify's Avatar
    Of course GV wouldn't be integrated in the dialer, its a google feature. MS has nothing to do with that, especially since Google is breaking alot of it's features for non google devices. Also with navigation apps it's never been a problem for me once resumed it updates with position, same as how it is with iOS. Shouldn't really be using apps when driving anyway. Android is even more so a beta than WP is there's malware, spam,spyware and inefficient use of hardware.
    I'll give on Google Voice...while it's certainly better on Android, iPhone is no better than WP. Nav is a problem though...I use my phone for music, podcasts, and actual phone calls (over bluetooth) while traveling, and on an Android phone I can have Nav running (and giving directions) while I'm on the phone with the podcast play paused. Never run across malware, spam, or spyware that couldn't be avoided by the most basic precautions. as for inefficient use of hardware...not sure what you're referring to?
    07-22-2012 10:34 PM
  19. Quantify's Avatar
    Beta? You know what "beta" means, right? Android is a beta OS. Poor performance and bugs. The WP OS may be lacking some features but it works flawlessly (better than iOS or Droid). There's nothing "beta" about it. Please use the right words.

    GVoice not being integrated is kind of obvious man. MetroTalk is a great app, with a very responsive dev delivering regular updates that works perfectly for GVoice.

    the non-obvious joke was about the "end of the smartphone beta test". Obviously WP 7.5 isn't beta at all (though I might make the case that the camera software isn't fully baked...).
    07-22-2012 10:37 PM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    the non-obvious joke was about the "end of the smartphone beta test". Obviously WP 7.5 isn't beta at all (though I might make the case that the camera software isn't fully baked...).
    There isn't anything wrong with the camera software. If manual settings are used, the pictures are excellent. The camera is better than that on any BlackBerry.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
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    07-22-2012 10:46 PM
  21. SnailUK's Avatar
    I just still cannot understand why Microsoft put out such a low end OS on the Market when they did. They could have done just as well by creating a skin over WM to get by until they worked all the kinks out of Windows Phone.
    This baffles me.

    WM's marketshare was falling like a lead balloon. Would adding a skin over the top of it really have sorted the problems? i doubt it. Would people have changed to creating beautiful metro apps on WM, or just released the same old stuff they were doing before?

    WP7 may not have every function of iOS/Android/WM, but its won awards for its beauty, its really fast on the hardware it has, its generated 100k or more apps ready for WP8/W8, and i'm sure taught Microsoft loads about the carrier/OEM/MS relationship, how people use their phones, etc etc.
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    07-23-2012 04:45 AM
  22. Marute's Avatar
    I really wouldn't call 7.5 and 7.8 obsolete. V8 doesn't make the current version any less functional. Therefore, in my opinion, if you have a WP7.5 device and are happy about it, the launch of WP8 shouldn't make you any less happy.


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    Last edited by Marute; 07-23-2012 at 04:56 AM.
    07-23-2012 04:49 AM
  23. diapers's Avatar
    If you're talking about the OP's post, his premise is that WP7 is functional. I think you're reading the idea of perfection into his words.
    Here again the word "functional" is thrown in as if it invalidates the word obsolete.

    I woke up this morning to this headline Apple iPhone 5 connector to make accessories obsolete

    Does it mean those accessories are not functional?
    07-23-2012 06:19 AM
  24. cckgz4's Avatar
    The premise of your post assumes that WP7 is perfect. It is not, it lacks many many things so yes WP8 coming out with the things everyone wanted in WP7 will make WP7 obsolete. It's just a fact of life.
    A fact of life?

    Have several seats
    07-23-2012 06:59 AM
  25. Old_Cus's Avatar
    Webster defines Obsolete as no longer in use or no longer useful or of a kind or style no longer current.

    I’m sorry but all you doom and gloom posters out there are misusing the term. WP7.5/7.8 will be both used and useful for some time to come. Developers have already stated that they will continue to develop for the current platform and Nokia has reaffirmed it’s support for it’s 7.5 Lumia line.

    WP8 devices are scheduled to be released inl October or November. When that happens WP7.X may not be current but it won’t be obsolete…just like 3GS, 4 iphones aren’t now and the 4S won’t be when the iphone 5 is released. There are tons of phones being used that are no longer current but you don’t hear anyone calling them obsolete.
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    07-23-2012 01:22 PM
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