10-03-2012 12:38 PM
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  1. mdameron's Avatar
    OP: Is this a REASON, or SYMPTOM? If WP7 had more marketshare, your app would be made for it. Not vice versa.

    It is annoying being on a platform that when you see an ad for some cool new app, it's only on iOS and Android.
    10-01-2012 01:38 PM
  2. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Keep in mind, folks, that WP gained 100,000 apps in considerably shorter time than iOS or Android. Once you hit that mark, and once you launch a hardware platform that people are interested in... developers take note. I insist, we're at that point for the first time in a long time with Microsoft.

    I don't dispute that we need a lot of the "popular" stuff, because even though everyone gets bored with it quickly, that's what captures hearts and minds. I argue, however, that adding those whiz-bang features onto a platform that gets the day-to-day details right makes for a stronger platform, and that's why Microsoft has ALWAYS dominated.

    They watch. They listen. They learn. And they implement what people WANT better and faster than any other tech company on earth. Oh, and every third attempt reveals a winning combination... we're on attempt 3.
    10-01-2012 05:39 PM
  3. cckgz4's Avatar
    AR.Drone 2.0 RC Quadricopter from Parrot

    Yup, all these genius developers making apps like this for iOS/Android and not for Windows Phone.
    Seriously? This is why I don't come to this forum a lot anymore
    10-01-2012 07:29 PM
  4. AngryNil's Avatar
    You could say that the OP picked a bad example but, in reality, it's quite an accurate picture of how things are with support for WP apps - companies just don't write apps for WP (unless they have their arm twisted or MS or Nokia write it themselves!).
    I have echoed this sentiment myself. You need the management at that local service you use to say "hey, let's developer for Windows Phone too!"

    But that's not what this post is about, Smoledman is focusing on how "geniuses" with niche products are not creating apps for Windows Phone. That is not the problem. The management of my city's public transit network is not a genius who created a drone. He's probably an ordinary guy who is evaluating options, and Windows Phone is not there in either mind share or market share.
    10-01-2012 07:53 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If having a controller app for a toy qualifies as supremacy for a phone OS, then MS, RIM and anything else will go the way of the dodo bird. Now I haven't even bothered to read about this app but as far as I can tell, most toy choppers use some form of IR gate for the handheld remote. Last time I checked, neither the iPhone or any Android has IR. In fact, the last IR-equipped phone I can recall is the Palm Treo Pro. Which begs the question, what good is an app if you can't use it? Proof of concept is meaningless if it can't come to fruition.
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    10-01-2012 08:13 PM
  6. Dave Blake's Avatar
    My thought on this topic are that it is a good topic to discuss. The OP chose a rather obscure app to make the point but the point is valid. You could add to that apps like banking apps and TV Station apps for example. When will we see those. I think it is a good topic for this community to discuss. Especially if Microsoft reads the forum and I think they do.

    I also think we will see little movement on this until we gain market share. Its all about selling phones.
    10-01-2012 08:31 PM
  7. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I also think we will see little movement on this until we gain market share. Its all about selling phones.
    Which is why I think we see Microsoft focusing on making sure core OS functionality is there baked in... if the OS does the majority of what users want, then it effectively reduces the apps from the smartphone equation, and then Apple and Android seem expensive with all their app purchases.

    Hmm, kinda the same argument they use with buying a Mac.
    10-01-2012 09:21 PM
  8. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    It's about who has the most apps in their market place, but rather about who gets the official and cool apps first, it's all about visibility and Microsoft is not pushing WP hard enough. If WP8 delivers, it will be the time to show off what WP can do better.
    10-01-2012 11:52 PM
  9. baseballbert's Avatar
    It's about who has the most apps in their market place, but rather about who gets the official and cool apps first, it's all about visibility and Microsoft is not pushing WP hard enough. If WP8 delivers, it will be the time to show off what WP can do better.
    Agreed! No more promised of "rolling thunder" only to give a light drizzle at best.
    10-02-2012 01:36 AM
  10. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    Well i think the Russians attaching the phone itself to the remote control cars is better. Since Nokia has Lumia 920 that have OIS, good at night because its better @Low Light etc.

    I bet its better than what the Toy+Phone Controller App is trying to achieve.
    10-02-2012 03:59 AM
  11. SnailUK's Avatar
    Surely this is exactly why unifying all the Microsoft products under one kernel is soo important.

    Once you've written an app for one Microsoft platform, it should be minimal work to adapt it for other platforms.

    Even if Windows, Windows Tablet and Windows Phone sales are poor, you've got an installed base of 100s of millions of xboxs.

    If Indie developers and XBLA developers are creating games that can easily be ported to other platforms, thats overnight a huge influx of content.

    Even if windows 8 sales are poor, there should still be litterally millions of people looking through the windows marketplace for apps. Thats all potential WP8 content.

    What would be clever, is if part of the app/game certificiation process, was some program that inspected a piece of content, then gave an indication of the difficulty of porting to all other Microsoft platforms, so Microsoft could send a mail to the developer saying. Well done on releasing app X. Did you know if you changed Y and Z, you could see the same app on WP8, or A & B and sell it on xbox.
    10-02-2012 07:01 AM
  12. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I've noticed that when most apps come out. The normally always come to iOS and Android. WP7 and BB are a second thought. IDK what it will take to get devs to give us some first class treatment, but it needs to change.

    I don't think it is about marketshare. I swear I seen a study where devs who have cross platform apps [iOS, Android, WP7], that they made almost if not more money from WP7.
    10-02-2012 08:27 AM
  13. crystal_planet's Avatar
    I've noticed that when most apps come out. The normally always come to iOS and Android. WP7 and BB are a second thought. IDK what it will take to get devs to give us some first class treatment, but it needs to change.

    I don't think it is about marketshare. I swear I seen a study where devs who have cross platform apps [iOS, Android, WP7], that they made almost if not more money from WP7.
    I disagree. If a dev makes .10 off every Android/iOS app. but .25 from WP what does it matter especially if he can sell 1000X more on those established ecosystems?

    I think MSFT has to push for established devs to jump on board with both feet. How many times have we seen here a poster that is thinking about jumping to WP but is asking if it has stuff like instagram and the like?
    10-02-2012 08:37 AM
  14. power5's Avatar
    Now I haven't even bothered to read about this app but as far as I can tell, most toy choppers use some form of IR gate for the handheld remote. Last time I checked, neither the iPhone or any Android has IR. In fact, the last IR-equipped phone I can recall is the Palm Treo Pro. Which begs the question, what good is an app if you can't use it? Proof of concept is meaningless if it can't come to fruition.
    The cheaper incarnations use a plug in IR generator that straps to the device, this brand uses its own wifi signal generated from the car/chopper to interact with the device.
    10-02-2012 08:54 AM
  15. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I couldn't find the article that was on WMPU.

    I've been saying money bags MS should be dropping bags of money off to these devs. I guess it doesn't work like that though. Because I see no reason why some of these top notch apps are not on WP7.
    I disagree. If a dev makes .10 off every Android/iOS app. but .25 from WP what does it matter especially if he can sell 1000X more on those established ecosystems?

    I think MSFT has to push for established devs to jump on board with both feet. How many times have we seen here a poster that is thinking about jumping to WP but is asking if it has stuff like instagram and the like?
    10-02-2012 09:12 AM
  16. crystal_planet's Avatar
    I couldn't find the article that was on WMPU.

    I've been saying money bags MS should be dropping bags of money off to these devs. I guess it doesn't work like that though. Because I see no reason why some of these top notch apps are not on WP7.
    I'm not a developer, but I would assume they get royalties like anyone else in their position. Microsoft will need to sell the developers the pending success of the platform - maybe tossing in some incentives of some type.

    I bet quite a few are taking a wait and see approach.
    10-02-2012 10:30 AM
  17. vp710's Avatar
    I kind of get OP's point. If a dev is going to develop a mobile app, you can be 99% certain it will come to iOS, maybe later on Android and you can pray for it to come to WP. And that's a problem. Sure, the example might not be the best but no one can deny having a phone that is almost universally supported and CAN do all of these things if you want to is remarkable.

    I'm pretty pumped up about WP8 and the 920 but if in a year the app support hasn't improved, I'll have no choice but to go back to a damn iPhone.

    There are just so many things I could do with an iPhone that I can't with a WP, just because some apps are missing. I'm patient but it is enraging at times.

    For example, recently, the Lockitron has been in the news. WP app? Nope. The really cool feature called "Sense" that automatically unlocks your door through Bluetooth when you approach it: iOS exclusive. I won't start on apps for musicians, because they are almost non-existent on WP. Even a decent metronome is hard to find on WP.

    The point is: every new idea that comes out in the mobile landscape is guaranteed to be available to iPhone users and this is part of the reason why it is so popular and awesome. This needs to change, and I hope it will with WP8, W8 and the amount of developers they will attract but it still will be a tough journey.
    Last edited by vp710; 10-03-2012 at 02:30 AM.
    10-03-2012 02:10 AM
  18. SnailUK's Avatar
    I've been saying money bags MS should be dropping bags of money off to these devs. I guess it doesn't work like that though. Because I see no reason why some of these top notch apps are not on WP7.
    Microsoft has already been dropping money on developers. Angry birds was a prime example. I'm sure at some stage Microsoft stated they'd approached the entire top 100 apps on iPhone, and offered money for apps, which is why they had like 70 or the top 100 iPhone apps (with a number of the rest being Apple or Google).

    The problem is, theres like 500k apps on iPhone, Microsoft can't just go throwing 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars at every single developer. WP is already a dirty great money pit, and that just makes it worse, and moves it closer to a project Microsoft will drop as it makes no money.
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    10-03-2012 03:11 AM
  19. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Not saying for every developer. Out of the 500,000 apps in the Apple app store, I'd say I wouldn't want 499,900 of them.
    Microsoft has already been dropping money on developers. Angry birds was a prime example. I'm sure at some stage Microsoft stated they'd approached the entire top 100 apps on iPhone, and offered money for apps, which is why they had like 70 or the top 100 iPhone apps (with a number of the rest being Apple or Google).

    The problem is, theres like 500k apps on iPhone, Microsoft can't just go throwing 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars at every single developer. WP is already a dirty great money pit, and that just makes it worse, and moves it closer to a project Microsoft will drop as it makes no money.
    10-03-2012 10:11 AM
  20. power5's Avatar
    For example, recently, the Lockitron has been in the news. WP app? Nope. The really cool feature called "Sense" that automatically unlocks your door through Bluetooth when you approach it: iOS exclusive.

    The point is: every new idea that comes out in the mobile landscape is guaranteed to be available to iPhone users and this is part of the reason why it is so popular and awesome. This needs to change, and I hope it will with WP8, W8 and the amount of developers they will attract but it still will be a tough journey.
    That is really cool and you are right. its one of the things I still do not like about my switch from iphone. Anything that was developed was available at the beginning on iOS. Of the few Whole house control I looked at they all work on iOS, none on WP. At least lockitron works via web for WP users so I may still get it.
    10-03-2012 12:38 PM
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