11-30-2014 11:05 AM
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  1. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    You've only listed 2 apps. Frankly I'm not seeing a lack of quality, and I certainly don't feel my standards are low. Quite a few apps out there are decent enough if 3rd party. Overall I have faith that many of the developers will continue to update and enhance their apps. None of em have failed me yet to be honest. (Okay... CrunchyRoll has... but for it's age it still runs just fine.)
    neo158 likes this.
    11-25-2014 01:21 AM
  2. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Why do Windows phone users have a low standard when it comes to applications?
    You have to remember that WP users are mostly uneducated bumpkins (no offense intended to bumpkins). You don't even want to know how bad iPhone apps would be if iPhone users didn't demand better. :rolleyes:
    Guytronic likes this.
    11-25-2014 07:31 AM
  3. MysticForce's Avatar
    I think that windows phone users like simple and useful apps, no need to complicate as for android.
    So I saw that apps with 5 stars are very simple actually and there is a small number of 5 stars apps.

    Messagers are not so good rated. Al thou they are not fully finished yet.
    My point is, WP users are not low standard users, they are just different. And interesting thing is that many of WP users are developers. I am developer too (but not WP developer). So maybe we know to appreciate for someones work on app and we notice if app makes sense in everydays life and is usable.
    neo158 and Pivotgeeks like this.
    11-25-2014 07:56 AM
  4. prasath1234's Avatar
    Wp users are simple users they don't want to download millions of apps nd then not use it.whatever apps useful are downloaded.
    11-25-2014 11:12 AM
  5. neo158's Avatar
    You have to remember that WP users are mostly uneducated bumpkins (no offense intended to bumpkins). You don't even want to know how bad iPhone apps would be if iPhone users didn't demand better. :rolleyes:
    Not sure if serious but thanks for insulting ALL Windows Phone users, you're as bad as the OP!!!
    11-25-2014 11:22 AM
  6. mjrtoo's Avatar
    A lot of what other OS's need spa for is baked into WP. It's a different philosophy, if you don't like it, then just don't use it.
    11-25-2014 11:40 AM
  7. onysi's Avatar
    Actually I have a very high standard in security. I can't count how many times android + iOs users getting hacked more vs. Microsoft's ecosystem on windows phone + XBOX One, which I own both.
    nohra likes this.
    11-25-2014 11:45 AM
  8. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    Seems like alot of pl don't realize that rating an app is suppose to be what you're using at that time. The features that are there at that time. The performance of the app at that time. Ppl love giving horrible reviews because it doesn't support this or that, that's not the point of a rating system. Rate the app "as is".

    The op is clearly young and don't understand why ppl who chose WP chooses them. WP brought along a schizophrenic free user interface, apps that mostly adhered to WP design principles and the simplicity that echoed through the entire system. it isn't that WP users don't want more, we rate based on what's in front of us.

    As you can tell, if you don't rate apps as is, you're just whining and giving negative reviews like a child that believes everything is crap if it isn't what they want. Pretty sad thinking, imo.
    a5cent, neo158, nohra and 3 others like this.
    11-25-2014 11:53 AM
  9. nohra's Avatar
    The good thing about the new store (and forgive me if someone already mentioned this) is that you can essentially vote up/down reviews so that the helpful reviews start appearing at the top. That may not help the stars issue, but at least it will help shoppers to see critical reviews first.

    Personally, I don't think of it as low standards as much as I think people can just rate based on what they have to work with, not how an app compares to another platform. If you know of features in other platforms you'd like, I would go directly to the dev rather than the store reviews. Actually, I feel that most WP users have high standards just because they use Windows Phone. They chose this platform over others - getting a Windows Phone usually doesn't happen by accident! Most WP users get one for reasons other than the apps that are available (Build quality, secure environment, camera (that's me!), Nokia name, ect).
    BobLobIaw and neo158 like this.
    11-25-2014 12:02 PM
  10. fdalbor's Avatar
    You have a right to your opinion just like all the rest of the users do. I use both WP and Android. And the ratings of apps is just an opinion that is all. I almost never get or don't get an app because of its rating. I try it and decide for myself. I worked in retailing for over 50 years and have watched the rise of the cell phone to smart phone etc over the years. I would say most people having a smart phone is a waste of money because of how little they use its features. If a person has to have a high end phone then fine, let them get one. If a low end phone works thats fine also. What a person does or thinks about a smartphone and it apps is up to that person. What each of us thinks about this phenomenon is of little difference to another user. We can all post our opinions; but they only belong to us. Have a nice day and take care on the road.
    BobLobIaw, broar94 and prasath1234 like this.
    11-25-2014 01:23 PM
  11. EBUK's Avatar
    Lumia 735... no problem with Spotify. Seems to load quickly to me.
    • I've used Spotify on Windows 7 desktop where it is fully featured and runs swiftly.
    • Used it on an Android tablet where again it is quite fully featured, but runs with a bit of lag.
    • Used on Moto G 4G where functionality is crippled unless the phone is rooted and running the Xposed module 'Tablet Metrics'.
    • Used on Lumia 735 where it was just as crippled as on the Moto G 4G, and was just the same speed.


    Different platform will have a different design language, and slightly different functionality. WP is in third place, so why should devs dedicate their time and resources to it?

    There are things missing that I would like, but rather than kick up a fuss, I'm trying to do something about it - learning C#, using the free Visual Studio that MS has made available, and trying to learn to create an app for me (that perhaps others will find useful, too.)
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    11-25-2014 02:04 PM
  12. stephen_az's Avatar
    Im very surprised over how low the standard is, if you check out the recents review on the spotify app, all are are like "OMG this app is made by god and its so good"

    The app have 4 stars out of 5, (WTF)

    The app for iphones are so much better, its smooth, no bugs, it has lots of feature, and many more options plus it looks stunning compared to the one for WP.

    In reality the spotify app for WP is, Buggy, slow sometimes, dosen't look that nice compared to other WP apps, it has not option/feature, you can't search in your playlists.

    A proper rating for the WP spotify app would be like 2-3 stars, if it looked like that on a Iphone.

    But i don't think that many WP users have any idea what criteria a good app has to
    cover.

    It's not only the spotify app, but this is the one that pisses me off, check out the IMDB aswell, 3 stars out of 5 (WTF) that app might be the worst ive ever seen so far. And still people be like "OMG can't live without you"

    Am i right, because this frustrates me a bit?

    Ollie
    Many reviews of Windows Phone apps are about as realistic (and real) as those for ios, Android, and Blackberry. Getting upset about it just seems silly. Beyond that, claiming that those who have an opinion other than yours have low standards is extremely arrogant. It also requires a serious suspension of disbelief to accept the premise that every Windows Phone user has seen parallel apps on other platforms and are able to make an informed comparison. The only reason I know the capabilities of a variety of Android apps is that I run DUOS in Windows 8.1. With that said, for most things the only comment I can make about Android is there are more apps, some of which cover obvious Windows Phone gaps, but the quality is just as uneven.
    11-25-2014 04:14 PM
  13. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Not sure if serious but thanks for insulting ALL Windows Phone users, you're as bad as the OP!!!
    Not serious. Hence the rolled eyes. Its hard to imagine the OP was serious so I didn't see a reason to be. ;)
    11-25-2014 04:19 PM
  14. vgfr's Avatar
    Am i right, because this frustrates me a bit?
    Ollie
    You are right but it should not frustrate you.
    WP users, in general, are very different from iPhone users, so it is normal that their expectations in terms of quality are different.
    WP users are just realistic. Actually, it is not limited to applications: Most WP users own a phone with low specifications (L520, L530) and... they are extremely happy with it !!! Most iPhone users would be extremely disappointed to own a phone with similar specs !
    Different users, different expectations: that's all.
    11-25-2014 06:02 PM
  15. plot_almighty's Avatar
    Im very surprised over how low the standard is, if you check out the recents review on the spotify app, all are are like "OMG this app is made by god and its so good"

    The app have 4 stars out of 5, (WTF)

    The app for iphones are so much better, its smooth, no bugs, it has lots of feature, and many more options plus it looks stunning compared to the one for WP.

    In reality the spotify app for WP is, Buggy, slow sometimes, dosen't look that nice compared to other WP apps, it has not option/feature, you can't search in your playlists.

    A proper rating for the WP spotify app would be like 2-3 stars, if it looked like that on a Iphone.

    But i don't think that many WP users have any idea what criteria a good app has to
    cover.

    It's not only the spotify app, but this is the one that pisses me off, check out the IMDB aswell, 3 stars out of 5 (WTF) that app might be the worst ive ever seen so far. And still people be like "OMG can't live without you"

    Am i right, because this frustrates me a bit?

    Ollie
    First, your post is subjective. Second, im presuming its based on two apps you use frequently. Third, you're comparing apples to oranges. No app on Windows Phone will look completely like its iOS counterpart. The design philosophy alone will ensure it.

    Last I would like to shoot your presumption of WP users having no idea what a good app is down. I don't believe you know who Rudy Hyun is. His name within this community ranks up with big names like Rovio. Check out his third party client apps. 6snap, 6tag, etc. His work matches the official apps on competing platforms. Furthermore they are usually better designed and better performing than the official clients that get released on WP. Oftentimes better supported too.

    I'm sorry the apps you use aren't up to par for you. I suggest reaching out to the developers in question with your concerns.
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    11-25-2014 06:42 PM
  16. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    I believe that a lot of reviews and ratings are kiddy or noob based. ........ Crapp app frontcam doesnt work / lumia 520 user or hm call recorder doesnt work ( if they understood the ecosystem they would know why ). And a lot of reviews are old. Pre update or pre rebuild reviews are not very realistic.
    Then again some apps are forcing you to give a 5 star rating or forcing a rating with a review.
    I give those apps standart a low rating or a remark.

    But for the most part i like the very basic appstyle.
    Fore example whatsapp....i hate the interface on android it is not as sleek as on wp. But thats a pure personal opinion.

    If the o.p. want's to be of any help, he could mail the particular Developer for some ideas or join in as a betatester.
    Guytronic likes this.
    11-27-2014 09:23 PM
  17. brunoadduarte's Avatar
    Food for thought:

    Imagine someone would create a website similar to this one: The Sweet Setup ? We recommend the best apps for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

    Now tell me, with all honesty, what apps would be good enough to be posted on a site like that. Short answer would be: not many and not as good.

    It's the truth. The OP may have been harsh but, fact to the matter is, WP app devs may have good intentions, but their design flaws are big. There are two or three devs that stand out, but not much more. The rest is just god awful, has less features and is updated in a much less frequent way.

    As an example, I've been searching for a half decent journal/diary app. This is what I'm presented with on WP by searching by each of those words:

    Pesquisar resultados para "journal" | Loja de Aplicaes+Jogos Windows Phone (Portugal)
    Pesquisar resultados para "diary" | Loja de Aplicaes+Jogos Windows Phone (Portugal)

    Poorly designed, kiddy-like, rare updates and just plain fugly.

    This is the app I used on iOS back in the iPhone 3G: Momento - diary / journal app for iPhone
    This is the app I'd like to be using right now (because it syncs to other devices): Day One | A simple and elegant journal for iPhone, iPad, and Mac.

    Some of you will start hating on me with blind rage stating that I'm the hater, that if I'm unhappy, I should leave WP and whatnot. I still like WP, always have and I want that made clear. But the apps are few and lacklustre and there's no way around that.
    11-28-2014 06:33 AM
  18. neo158's Avatar
    Food for thought:

    Imagine someone would create a website similar to this one: The Sweet Setup ? We recommend the best apps for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

    Now tell me, with all honesty, what apps would be good enough to be posted on a site like that. Short answer would be: not many and not as good.

    It's the truth. The OP may have been harsh but, fact to the matter is, WP app devs may have good intentions, but their design flaws are big. There are two or three devs that stand out, but not much more. The rest is just god awful, has less features and is updated in a much less frequent way.

    As an example, I've been searching for a half decent journal/diary app. This is what I'm presented with on WP by searching by each of those words:

    Pesquisar resultados para "journal" | Loja de Aplicaes+Jogos Windows Phone (Portugal)
    Pesquisar resultados para "diary" | Loja de Aplicaes+Jogos Windows Phone (Portugal)

    Poorly designed, kiddy-like, rare updates and just plain fugly.

    This is the app I used on iOS back in the iPhone 3G: Momento - diary / journal app for iPhone
    This is the app I'd like to be using right now (because it syncs to other devices): Day One | A simple and elegant journal for iPhone, iPad, and Mac.

    Some of you will start hating on me with blind rage stating that I'm the hater, that if I'm unhappy, I should leave WP and whatnot. I still like WP, always have and I want that made clear. But the apps are few and lacklustre and there's no way around that.
    So you agree with the OP insulting every WP user on the face of the planet?
    11-28-2014 09:04 AM
  19. brunoadduarte's Avatar
    So you agree with the OP insulting every WP user on the face of the planet?
    Oh my god... After all my post, that's what you have to ask me? Evasive much?

    Put it to you this way: I don't feel insulted, I don't see how anyone should feel insulted (and I've read his post three times in search of something to be insulted about) and there's a lot of truth to what he said, no matter how harshly he said it.
    11-28-2014 09:16 AM
  20. psoham777's Avatar
    I agree that apps in iOS are a lot more optimized(generally not all), whereas WP lacks. But that's only in some apps where the developers don't pay attention to it. Just speaking of the apps, they are coming, as most of them are new, many in beta(I hope everyone understands this word & stop expecting much from "BETA" version of the apps)
    I still have my old 710(28 months old), in which never did an app lag or crash!
    As the developers are new to WP, there will be bugs, some are trying hard to fix it, some just ignore it leaving the people like OP to complain.
    11-28-2014 09:23 AM
  21. neo158's Avatar
    Oh my god... After all my post, that's what you have to ask me? Evasive much?

    Put it to you this way: I don't feel insulted, I don't see how anyone should feel insulted (and I've read his post three times in search of something to be insulted about) and there's a lot of truth to what he said, no matter how harshly he said it.
    I'll take that as a yes then, shall I?

    The point is that the OP mentions Spotify which has a uniform look across all three platforms taking into account the visual styles of each OS so it's not that WP users have a low standard but rather that we want apps that look like they belong on the platform. Just take a look at the OneDrive app, it looks like it belongs on Android not on WP.

    The point is that until WP gets enough market share for developers to give a ****, then we have to make do with what we've got.

    I'm sorry to say this but your rant makes it look like you hate WP.
    11-28-2014 09:31 AM
  22. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    An app designer is something else than a app developer ;)
    11-28-2014 09:54 AM
  23. brunoadduarte's Avatar
    I'll take that as a yes then, shall I?

    The point is that the OP mentions Spotify which has a uniform look across all three platforms taking into account the visual styles of each OS so it's not that WP users have a low standard but rather that we want apps that look like they belong on the platform. Just take a look at the OneDrive app, it looks like it belongs on Android not on WP.

    The point is that until WP gets enough market share for developers to give a ****, then we have to make do with what we've got.

    I'm sorry to say this but your rant makes it look like you hate WP.

    The problem is that it's not just Spotify...


    We don't have to make do with anything. A lot of us pay for apps that end up having crap support on our platform. It's well within our right to complain about things that are wrongly made, period. Even if the app is free devs need to have some sort of pride in their trade, not just spew out some crap that any of us will put up with just because we have to "make do"...

    I don't hate WP... Nowhere in my posts have you seen WP hate. What you've seen is incompetent dev hate. Different matter altogether. I think you should read again...
    11-28-2014 10:11 AM
  24. prasath1234's Avatar
    Yes I accept we have low standard for apps in wp.That is because we know what we will be getting by choosing a new os.I don't care about apps.As a phone I like it does not lag .For me loading or resuming for few seconds better than unfortunately process.com error in android.And ios is very expensive to own.That is true at least for India.

    From Windows phone
    11-28-2014 11:13 AM
  25. Hypnopottamus's Avatar
    The "low" standard mainly stems from the fact that there is an actual OFFICIAL app. Unfortunately, many of the official app developers just port their apps over from Android/iOS, making it less than optimized for WP. This is the nature of the beast when trying to make a dent in the mobile space that is already saturated by Android and iOS. Developers just won't pay the attention needed to make the app experience optimized for the WP platform.

    But I will argue that the apps that are optimized for the WP platform are even better than similar apps available on their Andriod/iOS counterparts. Although these are 3rd party apps, Rudy Huyn's Wikipedia and other apps like Metrotube and Mytube are much better UI wise and usability wise than their counterparts on other platforms. There are some REALLY good apps on WP that their counterparts don't have. Check out DivvyUp bill splitter by Oren Goldfinger or Photosynth or Lumia Cinemagraph. There are countless others that other people here can probably chime in with. But bottom line is, WP users don't have lower standards, its just that they like having official apps, something that will become more prevalent once WP marketshare rises.
    Guytronic, mark233 and neo158 like this.
    11-28-2014 02:47 PM
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