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  1. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    Recently I was showing my Lumia 640 off to a friend of mine that had an iPhone 5S. He absolutely loved it and looked genuinely excited to use it. He is also an Xbox gamer and loved the Xbox integration in the phone. He decided that when his contract was up he was going to switch to a Windows Phone.

    I saw him again yesterday and he showed me his brand new iPhone 6S Plus. I asked him what happened to switching to Windows? He told me that he had every intention of buying a Lumia 950 XL, but when he got to the store the clerk at AT&T convinced him to stay away form Windows Phones. He told my friend that Windows Phones look nice but are nothing but headaches and after using it for a couple days he would be right back to exchange it for an iPhone or a Galaxy phone. He then told me that the clerk said "I couldn't in good conscience allow you to walk out of here with a phone like that when he have such great phones here."

    I was pretty upset at that story and just thought I would share it with everyone...
    03-10-2016 09:25 AM
  2. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Recently I was showing my Lumia 640 off to a friend of mine that had an iPhone 5S. He absolutely loved it and looked genuinely excited to use it. He is also an Xbox gamer and loved the Xbox integration in the phone. He decided that when his contract was up he was going to switch to a Windows Phone.

    I saw him again yesterday and he showed me his brand new iPhone 6S Plus. I asked him what happened to switching to Windows? He told me that he had every intention of buying a Lumia 950 XL, but when he got to the store the clerk at AT&T convinced him to stay away form Windows Phones. He told my friend that Windows Phones look nice but are nothing but headaches and after using it for a couple days he would be right back to exchange it for an iPhone or a Galaxy phone. He then told me that the clerk said "I couldn't in good conscience allow you to walk out of here with a phone like that when he have such great phones here."

    I was pretty upset at that story and just thought I would share it with everyone...
    There's a long list of AT&T iussues affecting ONLY their branded Lumias :( Things working all over the rest of the planet
    Last edited by Maurizio Troso; 03-10-2016 at 09:39 AM.
    03-10-2016 09:28 AM
  3. Ten Four's Avatar
    Personally, I think AT&T has never done Windows Phone any favors except maybe on the GoPhone side. Microsoft should just sell them direct and through major retailers, and unlocked, at this point and skip the carriers. Treat them more like Google Nexus phones.
    03-10-2016 09:32 AM
  4. poit57's Avatar
    I worked in an AT&T retail store for several years (from first iPhone launch through the first year of Windows Phone 7). Despite being trained on every device and being trained to sell to a customer's needs, most sales reps sadly tend to sell what they personally like.

    A few months after I left that job, I happened to call my mom while she was at my old store shopping for an upgrade. I recommended looking at Windows Phone. I don't remember what models were out at the time, but I had previously demonstrated my phone to her.

    My mom was carrying an iPhone 3G at the time. She mentioned that to the sales rep, one of my former co-workers, who said that she would slap me because she thought my suggestion to my mom must be a joke. My mom ended up with an iPhone 4.

    Just a few months ago, I finally got my mom to switch from an iPhone 5 to a Lumia 640. She likes the phone and operating system just fine, but the biggest reason she made the switch was because she wanted a bigger screen and couldn't justify the price of an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus. She was always one generation behind on the iPhones because that is all she could afford with a 2-year contract through AT&T.
    03-10-2016 10:59 AM
  5. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    I worked in an AT&T retail store for several years (from first iPhone launch through the first year of Windows Phone 7). Despite being trained on every device and being trained to sell to a customer's needs, most sales reps sadly tend to sell what they personally like.

    A few months after I left that job, I happened to call my mom while she was at my old store shopping for an upgrade. I recommended looking at Windows Phone. I don't remember what models were out at the time, but I had previously demonstrated my phone to her.

    My mom was carrying an iPhone 3G at the time. She mentioned that to the sales rep, one of my former co-workers, who said that she would slap me because she thought my suggestion to my mom must be a joke. My mom ended up with an iPhone 4.

    Just a few months ago, I finally got my mom to switch from an iPhone 5 to a Lumia 640. She likes the phone and operating system just fine, but the biggest reason she made the switch was because she wanted a bigger screen and couldn't justify the price of an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus. She was always one generation behind on the iPhones because that is all she could afford with a 2-year contract through AT&T.

    Things like that just don't make sense to me. If I go into the store looking for a phone, shouldn't they try to find me what I want instead of insulting me and trying to sell me on something I don't want?

    When we bought my son his new Lumia 640 for $30 from the Microsoft store he insisted that we have Cricket change out his sim card (I think he wanted to show off his new phone at the store). The lady at Cricket actually said "yuck" when she saw it! He is 11 and was extremely excited to have that phone. He saved up his own money to buy it and was very proud of himself. It really hurt his feelings.

    She then said to him "Just so you know we go have the Samsung Galaxy Grand Prime for $29.99 right now". He politely said no thank you and she switched over his sim card. I don't think he will be asking to go back there any time soon.
    03-10-2016 12:43 PM
  6. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Things like that just don't make sense to me. If I go into the store looking for a phone, shouldn't they try to find me what I want instead of insulting me and trying to sell me on something I don't want?

    When we bought my son his new Lumia 640 for $30 from the Microsoft store he insisted that we have Cricket change out his sim card (I think he wanted to show off his new phone at the store). The lady at Cricket actually said "yuck" when she saw it! He is 11 and was extremely excited to have that phone. He saved up his own money to buy it and was very proud of himself. It really hurt his feelings.

    She then said to him "Just so you know we go have the Samsung Galaxy Grand Prime for $29.99 right now". He politely said no thank you and she switched over his sim card. I don't think he will be asking to go back there any time soon.
    ROTFL "Give that kid a chocolate medal!" (cit. Obama)
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    03-10-2016 12:51 PM
  7. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Things like that just don't make sense to me. If I go into the store looking for a phone, shouldn't they try to find me what I want instead of insulting me and trying to sell me on something I don't want?

    When we bought my son his new Lumia 640 for $30 from the Microsoft store he insisted that we have Cricket change out his sim card (I think he wanted to show off his new phone at the store). The lady at Cricket actually said "yuck" when she saw it! He is 11 and was extremely excited to have that phone. He saved up his own money to buy it and was very proud of himself. It really hurt his feelings.

    She then said to him "Just so you know we go have the Samsung Galaxy Grand Prime for $29.99 right now". He politely said no thank you and she switched over his sim card. I don't think he will be asking to go back there any time soon.
    She would have gotten cussed out and reported.
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    03-10-2016 01:23 PM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Personally, I think AT&T has never done Windows Phone any favors except maybe on the GoPhone side. Microsoft should just sell them direct and through major retailers, and unlocked, at this point and skip the carriers. Treat them more like Google Nexus phones.
    I disagree. Slow as they may be with the updates but they are the only carrier who embraced windows phone. Tmobile, sprint and especially Verizon wre far worse.

    Without ATT I may have never gotten wonderful phones like my old 1020 and 1520.

    They do alright if you overlook the 830 and 950
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    03-10-2016 01:24 PM
  9. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ...the clerk said "I couldn't in good conscience allow you to walk out of here with a phone like that when he have such great phones here."
    Translation: "I don't really hear what you want. I want to get a commission and these are the phones that get me​ more money."
    03-10-2016 03:51 PM
  10. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Personally, I think AT&T has never done Windows Phone any favors...
    Between AT&T and Cricket (which AT&T owns 100%), their sales account for 50% of the Windows Phones in use in the US.

    While AT&T might do more, no other US carrier has.
    03-10-2016 03:55 PM
  11. The Extreme G's Avatar
    He told me that he had every intention of buying a Lumia 950 XL, but when he got to the store the clerk at AT&T convinced him to stay away form Windows Phones.
    But AT&T doesn't sell the Lumia 950 XL.
    Hmm.
    03-10-2016 06:10 PM
  12. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    It's getting harder to find reasons to buy a Windows Phone now (unless it's a cheap 640) but the recommendations of some lowly AT&T clerk is near the bottom of the barrel.
    03-11-2016 12:27 AM
  13. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Recently I was showing my Lumia 640 off to a friend of mine that had an iPhone 5S. He absolutely loved it and looked genuinely excited to use it. He is also an Xbox gamer and loved the Xbox integration in the phone. He decided that when his contract was up he was going to switch to a Windows Phone.

    I saw him again yesterday and he showed me his brand new iPhone 6S Plus. I asked him what happened to switching to Windows? He told me that he had every intention of buying a Lumia 950 XL, but when he got to the store the clerk at AT&T convinced him to stay away form Windows Phones. He told my friend that Windows Phones look nice but are nothing but headaches and after using it for a couple days he would be right back to exchange it for an iPhone or a Galaxy phone. He then told me that the clerk said "I couldn't in good conscience allow you to walk out of here with a phone like that when he have such great phones here."

    I was pretty upset at that story and just thought I would share it with everyone...
    It's not the only time this happened and won't be the last unfortunately.

    Plus it's not just isolated to the US alone either.
    03-11-2016 07:35 AM
  14. extrikate's Avatar
    As someone who has used only Windows Mobile/Phone products for the last decade, I can't condemn the AT&T rep. These forums are comprised a passionate owners, who love Windows Phone. That said, there are several threads/posts of people who are unhappy with their 950/950XL and are talking about taking them back.

    Imagine you were a customer service rep, and you saw a greater percentage of customers complaining of or returning their Windows Phones more than iPhones and Android. Is it unreasonable to warn them that the satisfaction rate, from your observations, is lower than other devices?

    Most in these forums complain about: wanting more apps, developers to update their apps, apps to be as nice as they are on iOS, battery life, wifi, Bluetooth, etc. We are all fans of the phones and this is what WE are saying. Imagine the experience of users who just want something they don't have to wait on an update to use. Non WP fans are more likely to return their devices, especially when we have WP fans switching too.

    Just something to chew on.
    03-11-2016 07:55 AM
  15. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    But AT&T doesn't sell the Lumia 950 XL.
    Hmm.
    You're right! I hadn't even realized that myself until now.

    As someone new to Windows Phone, he probably didn't know that going into the store. But the clerk could have shown him the 950, the 640XL or whatever WP units they had.
    03-11-2016 08:45 AM
  16. TechFreak1's Avatar
    As someone who has used only Windows Mobile/Phone products for the last decade, I can't condemn the AT&T rep. These forums are comprised a passionate owners, who love Windows Phone. That said, there are several threads/posts of people who are unhappy with their 950/950XL and are talking about taking them back.

    Imagine you were a customer service rep, and you saw a greater percentage of customers complaining of or returning their Windows Phones more than iPhones and Android. Is it unreasonable to warn them that the satisfaction rate, from your observations, is lower than other devices?

    Most in these forums complain about: wanting more apps, developers to update their apps, apps to be as nice as they are on iOS, battery life, wifi, Bluetooth, etc. We are all fans of the phones and this is what WE are saying. Imagine the experience of users who just want something they don't have to wait on an update to use. Non WP fans are more likely to return their devices, especially when we have WP fans switching too.

    Just something to chew on.
    There are two ways to handle this situation, one being not giving the customer any options and the other informing the customer of what you've noticed (which is anecdotal as not everyone has the same issues - so by extension it doesn't mean all phones will exhibit the same unless it's a design flaw.)

    If they want to purchase the phone or get it on contract It's upto them and they can under the return policy would have the ability to return it within the specified time frame in the aforesaid policy providing the phone is not damaged in any shape or form.

    Otherwise they would incur a restocking fee (if applicable) or alternatively they could choose what they have to offer

    Sure by mentioning to a customer they can effectively cancel is frowned upon by the higher ups however if you are truthful, honest and genuine (body language, tone and enthusiasm also plays a role here) - people see that and will want to deal with you going forward therefore creating a brand loyal customer.

    Each rep is the face of their brand and their actions is what defines a customer's association to that brand.

    Having said that, we don't know what the rep said as we only have one side of the story as only the rep and the OP's friend were present.
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    03-11-2016 08:47 AM
  17. extrikate's Avatar
    AT&T currently has 27 smartphones available that have customer reviews. Of those, 40% have better ratings than the Lumia 950 and 640 with more than 1,000 reviews.

    My point is, if the rep says that customers are happier with other phones, this is supported by the reviews. If a customer is adamant that they want a WP then the rep is unlikely to change their mind. However, if they say they want to see a WP and start asking questions then the rep is going to offer their perspective. That is just the nature of sales.
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    03-11-2016 10:11 AM
  18. Ten Four's Avatar
    I must admit to having few dealings with AT&T stores since I try to order online or I shop sales of unlocked phones at Best Buy. However, back in the day when the 1020 was actually a "thing" with ads on TV, etc. my son got one from the local AT&T corporate store, but it actually required a special order--they literally did not stock even a floor sample! In the store the only Lumia phone visible at that time was a 520 hanging on the GoPhone rack in the back of the store in the least obvious location. They also carried a couple of accessory cases for the 520 and the 1020, but you had to hunt to find them. That is in the corporate store--supposedly the flagship for the area. At holiday time I went into a different AT&T store in the largest busiest shopping mall in the area and they had one 950 on display. That's it. Typically the only Windows phones most of the public ever sees here in the USA are located on the GoPhone rack at WalMart and BestBuy. Anyone who has ever wondered--there is no way to open a GoPhone clamshell to look at or handle the phone. There is almost never a floor sample of a Windows phone on display, but occasionally you will find a 640 GoPhone at Best Buy now. So, in my experience the only way to get to know Windows phones has been to purchase and use them. You can't even examine one in a store most of the time.
    03-11-2016 10:12 AM
  19. GMC262's Avatar
    There are two ways to handle this situation, one being not giving the customer any options and the other informing the customer of what you've noticed (which is anecdotal as not everyone has the same issues - so by extension it doesn't mean all phones will exhibit the same unless it's a design flaw.)
    The problem common to all smartphones running Windows right now is a lack of apps and support from various entities relative to their iOS and android counterparts. But the salesperson could have shown the customer what they requested while asking about their requirements in a phone-then ask if they can show them an alternative. For example, if the customer has or has access to a current iOS or android device, they may have access to all the apps needed through those platforms; thus apps are no longer an issue where this purchase is concerned.
    Last edited by GMC262; 03-11-2016 at 10:40 AM.
    03-11-2016 10:27 AM
  20. Ten Four's Avatar
    But the salesperson could have shown the customer what they requested while asking about their requirements in a phone-then ask if they can show them an alternative.
    Unfortunately, the typical salesperson in any store is probably less knowledgeable about phones than the typical person reading these forums. Most are not paid much, have little training, aren't really that interested in learning, and are obviously looking for a better job. Whenever I am in the electronics section of any store I hear misinformation coming from store clerks. It really doesn't matter for most people because they just go with whatever carrier and phones are recommended by family/friends, which is probably not a bad idea unless you do your own research. Frankly, a Windows phone is not a good idea for most people who care more about having the same apps and services as their friends/family, who are not likely to be using Windows.
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    03-11-2016 10:41 AM
  21. Robert Tullos's Avatar
    Hey, we know these are great phones. That's why we use them. I repair cell phones and I can tell you right now that Samsung Galaxy are the most troublesome. The problem with Windows phone is they got in the game late. People complaining about all the problems, some of those are Insiders. ITS BETA SOFTWARE! Dang, be patient and let Microsoft work it out. One things for sure, when they finish with a new OS, or whatever, it far exceeds expectations. To hell with the piles of iPhones and Samsung's. My 640XL LTE does it better, for far cheaper. I could by parts and just build me a Lumia for even less money. And so much freedom with my own device. Let's Windows Phone be carrier free. I'm totally in favor of just buying my phones direct from Microsoft. Since all my devices have gotten the upgrade last month, they all work flawlessly. I'm a customer for life.
    03-11-2016 11:20 AM
  22. TechFreak1's Avatar
    The problem common to all smartphones running Windows right now is a lack of apps and support from various entities relative to their iOS and android counterparts. But the salesperson could have shown the customer what they requested while asking about their requirements in a phone-then ask if they can show them an alternative. For example, if the customer has or has access to a current iOS or android device, they may have access to all the apps needed through those platforms; thus apps are no longer an issue where this purchase is concerned.
    Yup, I should have mentioned that - as for me that is standard practise you demo the phone whilst talking about their options. You just don't blubber to a customer without any form of product or demo unit lol.
    03-11-2016 11:52 AM
  23. poit57's Avatar
    However, back in the day when the 1020 was actually a "thing" with ads on TV, ...the local AT&T corporate store...literally did not stock even a floor sample! In the store the only Lumia phone visible at that time was a 520 hanging on the GoPhone rack in the back of the store in the least obvious location.

    ...So, in my experience the only way to get to know Windows phones has been to purchase and use them. You can't even examine one in a store most of the time.
    I find this shocking, and if these were truly corporate stores, I can only conclude that AT&T either operates very differently in different regions or the marketing director in your area is really bad at his job.

    When I worked at AT&T, I was in charge of setting up the demo phones (activating their phone numbers, setting up active email accounts, installing the app that runs the demo video loop when idle) and I was also in charge of placing the demo phones and accessories, store signs, etc., out for display.

    The placement of everything in the store was mandated by our regional marketing director. They had floor plans of every store in the area, and they told us exactly where to place each phone and accessory. The iPhones and iPads had custom-built displays, then the rest of the phones were displayed on walls that contained 4 to 6 phones each, grouped by phone type, then by smartphone OS. All GoPhones were together. All basic/flip phones together. All feature phones (non-smartphones with full keyboard or touchscreen) together. Then smartphones were grouped together by OS (Android, Blackberry, Windows Phone). We also had a wall designated to other non-iOS tablets and netbooks.

    As for which phones were on display with a live demo, it was every phone we carried in-stores at the time, with few exceptions. Some basic GoPhones were not displayed depending on the number of GoPhones models for sale. We didn't carry any inventory or demo units marketed through the website as online-only offers. On rare occasions, there was a delay in production so we might not have had a demo unit at the launch of some phones.

    For the phones in stock, we had a system to automatically replenish our inventory based on 2 week sales trends. Even if we weren't selling any units of a particular item, we would still keep at least 1 unit, usually 2, in stock as long as it was still in production. The exception to this would be if a manufacturer had an item on backorder, which again sometimes happened prior to the launch date, and some color options were by special order only.

    By the time the 1020 was released, I was no longer working for the AT&T, but my dad and step-mom both purchased one from my old store. The Lumia 1020 and Lumia 1520 were on the first wall at the front of the store. My dad got the black 1020 and my step-mom had to order a yellow 1020. They also got a discount on a 2520 tablet at the same time, which they had to order in the store as well.

    Again, maybe AT&T isn't consistent in their handling of Windows Phones across the country. The sales reps will almost certainly push Android and iPhone the hardest, but I've never experienced a full array of current phone models, regardless of brand/OS, not being at least available for demo in my area.
    03-11-2016 11:58 AM
  24. Ten Four's Avatar
    The only working floor sample of a Windows phone in the USA I have ever seen was that lonely 950 I found in a AT&T store in a mall at Xmas time.
    03-11-2016 12:17 PM
  25. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I must admit to having few dealings with AT&T stores since I try to order online or I shop sales of unlocked phones at Best Buy. However, back in the day when the 1020 was actually a "thing" with ads on TV, etc. my son got one from the local AT&T corporate store, but it actually required a special order--they literally did not stock even a floor sample! In the store the only Lumia phone visible at that time was a 520 hanging on the GoPhone rack in the back of the store in the least obvious location. They also carried a couple of accessory cases for the 520 and the 1020, but you had to hunt to find them. That is in the corporate store--supposedly the flagship for the area. At holiday time I went into a different AT&T store in the largest busiest shopping mall in the area and they had one 950 on display. That's it. Typically the only Windows phones most of the public ever sees here in the USA are located on the GoPhone rack at WalMart and BestBuy. Anyone who has ever wondered--there is no way to open a GoPhone clamshell to look at or handle the phone. There is almost never a floor sample of a Windows phone on display, but occasionally you will find a 640 GoPhone at Best Buy now. So, in my experience the only way to get to know Windows phones has been to purchase and use them. You can't even examine one in a store most of the time.
    Guess I'm lucky. Our ATT store always seems to embrace and display windows phone very nicely. Not hidden (if anything their iPhone is usually hidden in a corner). Usually in the middle of said store.
    03-11-2016 12:30 PM
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