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  1. MarkAllett's Avatar
    They've also developed and released - free - two software development products specifically aimed at helping Android and iOS developers port their apps to Windows with the minimum of hassle.
    They've shelved the Android one and AFAIK the iOS one is still in the early days of usability yet.
    12-01-2015 07:16 AM
  2. asikis's Avatar
    Let me write about a very bad experience i just had today....I have a Lumia 830 with latest W10M build installed.
    My sister has a Lumia 635 with 8.1. She tried open an .xlsx file in her mobile but excel replied with error that file has protected work book. In her work PC she can open with out giving any password or anything similar. The she calls me and reports me the issue. I ask her to send it to my mail to try open it from my 830. Unfortunately i also got the same error...
    Then I try to open from my work laptop and it opens directly, no issues. Then I try to open it from my HP stream 7, which i have office professional, and it also opens without any issues.

    Then I forward the excel file to my wife's mail that she has an iPhone 5S and I have the MSFT excel installed there. I try to open sam exile and it...............OPENS directly without any issues!!!!!!

    Now if this is not a terrible app gap then tell what it is!! This is totally bad way of business MSFT and office mobile team. You should just quit your jobs already today.
    I am user of WP from 2012 and have also worked on NOKIA mobile phones part for a year. I like WP and their unique features, like glance screen. I was about to buy a 950 during December. But after today incident I already have very strong second thoughts for staying on WP. It is obvious that MSFT doe snot want their product to succeed, end of story.

    And this is not the first time that MSFT apps work better to iOS that on WP (i don't know about Android.
    12-01-2015 07:42 AM
  3. pLUSpISTOL's Avatar
    I met up with some old friends recently. We started chatted about Snapchat because some of them are travelling and it's a go-to app for meeting up with hot Italian girls etc lol.
    Then we started talking about handsets, one of them said he got a WP (Lumia 630) and that it was a mistake. This was down to the app gap.

    I don't feel it too badly because I have certain apps I need everyday, Skype embedded into Messaging, even my main banking app is on WP! Others however it must be very bad for or at least they are having a sub-par experience. Like someone else said, you want your smartphone to be smart; apps aren't smart but Android & iOS have them so they are deemed "smarter" to the general public.
    A problem is the social aspect. Facebook and Twitter apps are not as good as Android/iOS. A lot of official apps don't exist (Snapchat) or the alternatives are poor. Everywhere you look on adverts, TV, at least in the British Isles, companies say that they have apps on Android and iOS. It's a rarity to see/hear WP.

    I really like the handsets and the choices available. I like the OS, it's speedy (discounting current W10 test software) and still intriguing. But really this needs sorting out big time.
    12-01-2015 07:50 AM
  4. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Screwfix and Secret Escapes show win store in ads.

    Amazing if you have a wall plug that needs fixing in your hotel room!! Lol :)
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    12-01-2015 08:05 AM
  5. cracgor's Avatar
    Some people are getting mixed up about "universal apps". They are NOT apps that run on Windows, iOS and Android, as some seem to think. They are Windows apps that run on all form-factors of Windows: desktop, tablet, phone.

    As for porting apps from other platforms, Microsoft have already done a lot. With W10M they've deliberately abandoned the innovative UI of WP8.1, and essentially gone for an Android look-alike with live tiles (to my anger and deep sorrow). This was essential to allow easy porting of Android and iOS apps to Windows. They've also developed and released - free - two software development products specifically aimed at helping Android and iOS developers port their apps to Windows with the minimum of hassle.

    It's hard to see what else they can do, technically. Personally I think this strategy will fail - they'll have thrown away the one outstanding asset of Windows on a phone - the fabulous UI design language - and STILL won't get a significant number of apps ported across. In other words, I predict a lose-lose, but I so hope I'm wrong.
    I'm not confused about universal apps. I mean universal apps start off on windows phone and go to PC...think baconit. Rarely does someone like snap chat making a windows app and then send it to the phone. I think even the small amount of work is more than no work, which matters when there is no benefit to be had
    12-01-2015 08:26 AM
  6. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    I been complaining about the app gap, more and more new apps are coming out for only iPhone
    and Android, but not available for Windows phones. A banker at chase told me I could go to
    the web and do somethings, but there are some things I can't do. The TV channels are pushing
    their apps, not available for Windows phones, security systems are not available for Windows
    phones.I don't know why Chase and Bank of America pulled their apps, if Microsoft charge them
    for allowing apps, they screwed them selves. With the big app gap, the Windows phone should
    be a lot cheaper then the other phones, they look at new hardware, instead of trying to close the
    app gap.
    MikeSo likes this.
    12-01-2015 08:31 AM
  7. seangprice's Avatar
    I held on as long as could stand but there is no defined reason to stay with a WP device. I've had many WP to include the 925, 1520, 930, 640 and I was really looking forward to the new 950/XL. Sadly functionality and APP choices IE software that I can use in an Aerial photography business are not available for WP, I jumped ship back to Android. I'm currently using a Motorola Pure Edition which for the money and features I doubt you can find a better phone.
    12-01-2015 08:48 AM
  8. MikeSo's Avatar
    Shazam does that.
    There is no karaoke function in Shazam, it only shows the lyrics (unless you play the song on the phone, if I remember correctly). At least when I used it last. It's the equivalent of googling the lyrics. Also it can't handle the jukebox queue, naturally.

    Yes, there are apps on WP where you can get a worse approximation of the original functionality from an Android app. We all know that.
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    12-01-2015 08:48 AM
  9. MikeSo's Avatar
    Contact the company that makes the app
    I have, months ago. They have not responded. You can't seriously think that makes a difference though? I do it because I need to let them know that WP users are out there, but I'm not stupid enough to think that my email makes a difference in whether they create an app or not. Only market share and/or Microsoft can do that.

    Are people missing the point here? This isn't about this one app. It's about the situation overall. This is just one tiny example. I personally could list dozens more, as I'm sure could others.
    Geo Hutchings likes this.
    12-01-2015 08:52 AM
  10. waybig's Avatar
    With a heavy heart I've just made the switch to Android. I bought a 6P last night, my first non-Windows phone. I was conflicted about leaving because I want W10M to grow, not shrink in share. I'm just one person, but if others have the same idea...what will become of W10M? I've had my HTC 8x (still running 8.0! Thanks, T-Mobile!) for nearly three years and enjoyed WP a lot. I wouldn't really say it was (just) the app gap that got me, but the fact that I just couldn't justify paying for a 950XL (that may or may not work fluently on T-Mobile) and an OS that just seems underdone right now. I will definitely be watching to see what happens in the future and will probably return if it gets better.
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    12-01-2015 08:58 AM
  11. cracgor's Avatar
    With a heavy heart I've just made the switch to Android. I bought a 6P last night, my first non-Windows phone. I was conflicted about leaving because I want W10M to grow, not shrink in share. I'm just one person, but if others have the same idea...what will become of W10M? I've had my HTC 8x (still running 8.0! Thanks, T-Mobile!) for nearly three years and enjoyed WP a lot. I wouldn't really say it was (just) the app gap that got me, but the fact that I just couldn't justify paying for a 950XL (that may or may not work fluently on T-Mobile) and an OS that just seems underdone right now. I will definitely be watching to see what happens in the future and will probably return if it gets better.
    How is the 6p? That's what I'm thinking of switching to.
    12-01-2015 09:10 AM
  12. donkiluminate's Avatar
    App gap didn't get me per se. I got a new job where I have zero reception so I needed a phone with wifi calling. That's what got me.

    However, while I really don't care for Android or ios that much I have found the app situation to be much more convenient as well as I find it galling how much better MS apps are on other platforms. I understand putting the most time and effort on the leading platforms but man, apps, Onedrive for example, are so much better on ios and Android. It makes me not want to use any MS apps. Just out of principle..
    12-01-2015 09:10 AM
  13. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    The Chase app got me, I've been sim swapping a Nexus 5 and a 640 for the last 2 months, its getting to be a chore.
    How often do you swap the SIM? I still have my LG Optimus F3 as well as my 640, but never swap the SIM to it since I'd have to keep cracking open the cases on both phones! ie Not only tedious but wear & tear. One alternative way if I ever need to use the F3 is to just use the hotspot feature of the 640.
    12-01-2015 09:11 AM
  14. donkiluminate's Avatar
    With a heavy heart I've just made the switch to Android. I bought a 6P last night, my first non-Windows phone. I was conflicted about leaving because I want W10M to grow, not shrink in share. I'm just one person, but if others have the same idea...what will become of W10M? I've had my HTC 8x (still running 8.0! Thanks, T-Mobile!) for nearly three years and enjoyed WP a lot. I wouldn't really say it was (just) the app gap that got me, but the fact that I just couldn't justify paying for a 950XL (that may or may not work fluently on T-Mobile) and an OS that just seems underdone right now. I will definitely be watching to see what happens in the future and will probably return if it gets better.
    That's funny, I kinda had a heavy hard when I brought my Note home the other day. I actually have found myself not looking at my phone as much as I used to. I enjoyed WM/WP that much. But I have to be pragmatic and use what works for me and if I could magically get wifi calling or reception in my office I would put up with the app gap and everything else and stay on WM. Shoot, even if Gabe would say wifi calling will be native to the OS(like the iphone) I would stay but I can't even get him to respond despite numerous tweets.

    Oh well, I'm still a fan and will be following the scene biding my time for the opportunity to jump back in.
    12-01-2015 09:16 AM
  15. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    My Verizon contract will be up in a few months. I was hoping that Windows 10 Mobile will have the bugs worked out by then
    How much do you want for your time machine?
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    12-01-2015 09:21 AM
  16. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    I have, months ago. They have not responded. You can't seriously think that makes a difference though? I do it because I need to let them know that WP users are out there, but I'm not stupid enough to think that my email makes a difference in whether they create an app or not. Only market share and/or Microsoft can do that.

    Are people missing the point here? This isn't about this one app. It's about the situation overall. This is just one tiny example. I personally could list dozens more, as I'm sure could others.
    One email from one guy surely doesn't help but if many windows fan unite and suggest we can see it happening!
    Windows 10 mobile, new Lumias, Xiaomi Mi4 and many Japanese companies adapting windows 10 mobile.
    It's the best time to send emails to developers because they might just consider it.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    12-01-2015 09:30 AM
  17. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    The Chase app got me, I've been sim swapping a Nexus 5 and a 640 for the last 2 months, its getting to be a chore.
    Is it really better to juggle two different phones than to just pin the Chase's mobile site as a tile on your 640? I don't get it......


    I use more than just my WP but only because I'm required to do so for work. I chose the 1520 as my daily driver. If I didn't have that I would choose my iPhone over the Android. The app gap isn't doom and gloom. Ok, I don't give two ***** about snapchat so there's that. I have no problem with Outlook, facebook, Instagram or other apps compared to the other two platforms. There are many apps with fit and finish better than their WP counterparts, but it isn't enough of a crutch for me to move. I do wish for the love of God that my Android game Life is Crime would come to WP, but then again it doesn't exist on iOS either. And for that one poster's wife who stated 6tag is worse than the official iPhone Instagram, I disagree.

    The app gap problem seems to be getting better slowly. But what will make me leave WP behind is if Microsoft puts no effort into making their own apps just as great or better on W10M than what we find of theirs on iOS/Android. With W10M coming to fruition over the past year, it was understandable why Microsoft's WP apps were sub-standard. But if they don't hit home run with their apps within a few months after W10M's release then it's the end. If they don't care then fans will not care, EOM's will not care, carriers will continue to not care, and developers certainly will not care. Game over.
    12-01-2015 09:46 AM
  18. MikeSo's Avatar
    One email from one guy surely doesn't help but if many windows fan unite and suggest we can see it happening!
    Keep on dreaming. The only thing is marketshare or deals with Microsoft. They won't care about emails. I'll keep writing them because I'm weird like that, but other than to get their attention and voice my complaint I have no illusions it will do anything.
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    12-01-2015 09:51 AM
  19. MikeSo's Avatar
    How much do you want for your time machine?
    I don't get it.
    12-01-2015 09:52 AM
  20. asikis's Avatar
    That's funny, I kinda had a heavy hard when I brought my Note home the other day. I actually have found myself not looking at my phone as much as I used to. I enjoyed WM/WP that much. But I have to be pragmatic and use what works for me and if I could magically get wifi calling or reception in my office I would put up with the app gap and everything else and stay on WM. Shoot, even if Gabe would say wifi calling will be native to the OS(like the iphone) I would stay but I can't even get him to respond despite numerous tweets.

    Oh well, I'm still a fan and will be following the scene biding my time for the opportunity to jump back in.
    I fully understand. But jut for your info, I work on a big telecom vendor I can assure you that WiFi calling (VoWiFi) is indeed there on WP and it is just matter of Operator enabling it. The WM OS itself supports it.
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    12-01-2015 09:57 AM
  21. nemov888's Avatar
    For me it was Google Maps that made me switch. I*bought a new LG G3. I decided to install*Cyanogenmod &*Cortana to get close to the smoothness of WP OS.

    I won't talk about the difference between apps on WP vs Android. We all know how it is. My only surprises were:

    1) Microsoft & Nokia Apps are better on Android.*
    2) Cortana is rubbish on Android / Cyanogenmod.
    3) LG Build quality is too delicate.

    My screen smashed on the LG, so now I am using my Lumia 735 once again and loving it. I'm almost considering keeping an Android Tablet for the Apps I want in the car and at home (Amazon Music, Google Maps, Banking Apps etc) and getting a Lumia 950 again. But I shouldn't have to make that choice. Which leaves just one question left....:

    When are Microsoft going to release a workable solution or toolkit that will allow developers to easily create Apps for W10 using their existing Android or iOS code?? All I heard is that they seem to have switched attention to porting iOS apps across instead of Android...*
    12-01-2015 10:32 AM
  22. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    Scratching my head at you folks picking Galaxy S6 as phones.

    Galaxy phones have such crap software, skins, and bloat on them. The phones are laggy, slow, not great battery life, sealed batteries, no micro sd, etc....

    So many great Android choices out there Galaxy phones would be last on the list.

    If you have to have a subsidized phone the LG G4 would be a great choice otherwise there are tons of great un-subsidized phones out there.
    12-01-2015 10:34 AM
  23. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    Scratching my head at you folks picking Galaxy S6 as phones.

    Galaxy phones have such crap software, skins, and bloat on them. The phones are laggy, slow, not great battery life, sealed batteries, no micro sd, etc....

    So many great Android choices out there Galaxy phones would be last on the list.

    If you have to have a subsidized phone the LG G4 would be a great choice otherwise there are tons of great un-subsidized phones out there.
    You have clearly never used S6.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    12-01-2015 10:43 AM
  24. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    You have clearly never used S6.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Wife and I played with all the phones when buying her LG G4 in September.

    When the Galaxy S6 has laggy slow response in the store with nothing on it that is an easy indication not to buy it.
    We had the same experience with both the ATT and Sprint versions of the phone too.

    Combine the lagginess with the sealed battery and no micro sd and the choice for the LG was easy to make.
    12-01-2015 10:52 AM
  25. rkarolak's Avatar
    Scratching my head at you folks picking Galaxy S6 as phones.
    You have clearly never used S6.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    It's also worth noting that you shouldn't confuse the Samsung Galaxy S6 with the Huawei Nexus 6P, which many people here are referring to.
    12-01-2015 11:00 AM
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