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  1. LMZR's Avatar
    These asshats (Google) need to learn.

    I've had a low-moderate hatred of Google and that's just risen, I bet if Microsoft's YouTube app is removed, Google will make one which will be crap.
    05-16-2013 01:09 AM
  2. OzRob's Avatar
    These asshats (Google) need to learn.
    Need to learn what?

    I've had a low-moderate hatred of Google and that's just risen, I bet if Microsoft's YouTube app is removed, Google will make one which will be crap.
    Yes. It'll probably have ads and won't let you download videos.
    05-16-2013 01:24 AM
  3. Natrox's Avatar
    If Microsoft is breaking the Youtube TOS with their app, Google has every right to send them a cease and desist. That's just the way it is, and any company would probably do the same, Microsoft included.
    05-16-2013 01:50 AM
  4. Divair's Avatar
    It's even more hilarious than it should be because Larry Page just talked about cooperation between competitors to improve technology at I/O.
    05-16-2013 03:01 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    If Microsoft is breaking the Youtube TOS with their app, Google has every right to send them a cease and desist. That's just the way it is, and any company would probably do the same, Microsoft included.
    My understanding is that they haven't. All third party apps work the same way as MS. It appears they're picking on MS.

    Second, I really wonder what will happen to Android if Samusng decides to drop it as it's main OS. The #1 reason that Android is doing well is due to Samsung. Google should be looking to make other OS apps just in case Android tanks in the next couple of years, which is a possibility.

    Final note, I am really tired of the IT wars. I wish they'd all grow up and work together to create a better experience for us all. I just want the to be able to choose what's best for me as a consumer. All this petty nonsense it tiring.
    05-16-2013 04:04 AM
  6. Florin Anghel's Avatar
    Google has become greedy! Greed is good, at the moment you do it, but afterwards it makes your business fall apart!
    05-16-2013 04:57 AM
  7. vish2801's Avatar
    I completely agree that it's not about protecting T&C. But it's not about hating MS either. It's about one thing - business.
    We never know that....
    05-16-2013 06:12 AM
  8. vish2801's Avatar
    If Microsoft is breaking the Youtube TOS with their app, Google has every right to send them a cease and desist. That's just the way it is, and any company would probably do the same, Microsoft included.
    That's exactly what MS wanted and Google fell in trap. You should read the reply of MS,it was well executed plan....
    05-16-2013 06:15 AM
  9. vish2801's Avatar
    It's even more hilarious than it should be because Larry Page just talked about cooperation between competitors to improve technology at I/O.
    MS actually qouted his statement in reply.... That was clever lol....
    05-16-2013 06:16 AM
  10. Funky Cricket's Avatar
    They just need to lay them on the table and measure already, so we can move on and have a good you tube app.
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    05-16-2013 10:38 AM
  11. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    That's exactly what MS wanted and Google fell in trap. You should read the reply of MS,it was well executed plan....
    If this was just a MS trap, then they did a good job.
    05-16-2013 02:16 PM
  12. foxbat121's Avatar
    I have no problem with whatever Google does to WP platform. That's justified for any normal business. However, I'm not ok for Google to pretend somehow they are morally above all other business. 'Do no evil' my @$$. Bunch of Hippocrates!
    05-16-2013 02:23 PM
  13. omniusovermind's Avatar
    That's exactly what MS wanted and Google fell in trap. You should read the reply of MS,it was well executed plan....
    If this was just a MS trap, then they did a good job.
    How do you figure? If Google decides to dig in their heels and deny the API, then what? Youtube for WP gets shut down, that's what. The public outcry will be weak because of the 3% WP marketshare, and all the news stories will have a field day sensationalizing how MS and Google had a "showdown" and MS lost.

    Picking a fight you can't win because 1. Google is in the legal right and 2. They can simply shut off access to Youtube from their end if MS doesn't comply is hardly what I would call tactically sound. And definitely not clever either. It was a blunder. If MS gets to keep Youtube as it is right now in defiance of Google and without their permission, I'll eat my hat on Youtube (which you'll be able to see if that happens btw)

    lol.
    05-16-2013 06:08 PM
  14. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    How do you figure? If Google decides to dig in their heels and deny the API, then what? Youtube for WP gets shut down, that's what. The public outcry will be weak because of the 3% WP marketshare, and all the news stories will have a field day sensationalizing how MS and Google had a "showdown" and MS lost.

    Picking a fight you can't win because 1. Google is in the legal right and 2. They can simply shut off access to Youtube from their end if MS doesn't comply is hardly what I would call tactically sound. And definitely not clever either. It was a blunder. If MS gets to keep Youtube as it is right now in defiance of Google and without their permission, I'll eat my hat on Youtube (which you'll be able to see if that happens btw)

    lol.
    So why don't YouTube get it so if anyone tries to access YT or any Google service from their phone it just redirects to a HTTP 403 page? I think Google are actually scared, but they make it look as though they're not.
    05-16-2013 06:40 PM
  15. omniusovermind's Avatar
    So why don't YouTube get it so if anyone tries to access YT or any Google service from their phone it just redirects to a HTTP 403 page? I think Google are actually scared, but they make it look as though they're not.
    I'd assume it's because they gave ms a may 22 deadline to comply. I can't see Google being scared, what leverage does MS have to force Google to do anything? All of Google's services are web based and they have a titanic grip on smartphone market share. MS can't leverage the PC against them because they're still under the constraints of the massive anti trust ruling that has tied their hands from trying that again for decades now.

    Sent from my (fill in the blank) phone using (fill in the blank software)
    05-16-2013 07:04 PM
  16. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    I'd assume it's because they gave ms a may 22 deadline to comply. I can't see Google being scared, what leverage does MS have to force Google to do anything? All of Google's services are web based and they have a titanic grip on smartphone market share. MS can't leverage the PC against them because they're still under the constraints of the massive anti trust ruling that has tied their hands from trying that again for decades now.

    Sent from my (fill in the blank) phone using (fill in the blank software)
    Well if Google really want to stop MS, they should just set fire to the MS headquarters and kill all their employees, while also releasing a virus to all PCs that causes them to blow up. With no staff, no buildings, and all PC's blown up, how can MS recover? They would have absolutely nothing then.
    05-16-2013 07:59 PM
  17. omniusovermind's Avatar
    Well if Google really want to stop MS, they should just set fire to the MS headquarters and kill all their employees, while also releasing a virus to all PCs that causes them to blow up. With no staff, no buildings, and all PC's blown up, how can MS recover? They would have absolutely nothing then.
    Okay?
    05-16-2013 08:04 PM
  18. falconrap's Avatar
    How do you figure? If Google decides to dig in their heels and deny the API, then what? Youtube for WP gets shut down, that's what. The public outcry will be weak because of the 3% WP marketshare, and all the news stories will have a field day sensationalizing how MS and Google had a "showdown" and MS lost.

    Picking a fight you can't win because 1. Google is in the legal right and 2. They can simply shut off access to Youtube from their end if MS doesn't comply is hardly what I would call tactically sound. And definitely not clever either. It was a blunder. If MS gets to keep Youtube as it is right now in defiance of Google and without their permission, I'll eat my hat on Youtube (which you'll be able to see if that happens btw)

    lol.
    Are you not familiar with the fact that the DOJ has been probing and keeping an eye on Google for anti-competitive practices? And the EU is doing the same. MS, having actually been through this gauntlet before, knows the drill well. They set Google up quite well. If Google doesn't relent and allow API access, MS can go to the DOJ and EU and say "look what they are doing here" and Google will have a tough time explaining this one away. Especially since 1) MS wrote the app, so Google need not do any work, 2) giving MS the API access actually brings in more ad revenue for Google, and 3) Google denying access clearly shows they want to use their dominant mobile OS and search engine positions to keep competition squashed.

    Basically, Google is screwed.
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    05-16-2013 08:08 PM
  19. omniusovermind's Avatar
    Are you not familiar with the fact that the DOJ has been probing and keeping an eye on Google for anti-competitive practices? And the EU is doing the same. MS, having actually been through this gauntlet before, knows the drill well. They set Google up quite well. If Google doesn't relent and allow API access, MS can go to the DOJ and EU and say "look what they are doing here" and Google will have a tough time explaining this one away. Especially since 1) MS wrote the app, so Google need not do any work, 2) giving MS the API access actually brings in more ad revenue for Google, and 3) Google denying access clearly shows they want to use their dominant mobile OS and search engine positions to keep competition squashed.

    Basically, Google is screwed.
    I beg to differ. The T.O.S. are clear as day and legally binding. MS can't force the issue in court while they're in the middle of violating the T.O.S.

    What needs to happen here for it to all be legal is for MS to comply with the T.O.S. first. And then the court can rightly order Google to allow them the API to do it legally.

    On a side note I find it immensely amusing to see all of the caterwauling about Google's wrongdoing while cheering on MS violating a TOS. Even if Google were forced to release the API (after MS is the first to back down since they were the ones in violation after all, NOT Google), who has the last laugh? 75% marketshare? or.... 3?

    I'm not sure, would that qualify under the definition of a pyrrhic victory? This would be about where I'd insert that sad trombone music clip
    05-16-2013 08:17 PM
  20. falconrap's Avatar
    I beg to differ. The T.O.S. are clear as day and legally binding. MS can't force the issue in court while they're in the middle of violating the T.O.S.

    What needs to happen here for it to all be legal is for MS to comply with the T.O.S. first. And then the court can rightly order Google to allow them the API to do it legally.

    On a side note I find it immensely amusing to see all of the caterwauling about Google's wrongdoing while cheering on MS violating a TOS. Even if Google were forced to release the API (after MS is the first to back down since they were the ones in violation after all, NOT Google), who has the last laugh? 75% marketshare? or.... 3?

    I'm not sure, would that qualify under the definition of a pyrrhic victory? This would be about where I'd insert that sad trombone music clip
    Why does MS have to offer a page for EU users to download any browser they want, when their are other "viable" OS's on the market and anyone can simply download them? It's simple, and you clearly lack an understanding of competition laws and regulations. Any company holding a dominant position in an industry can't go out f their way to force lock-in on their products. Period. This is THE reason why MS got hit in the US and EU and why they had to change and do things like the browser download page and..da da DA!!!!...OPEN THEIR OWN API's (I know...shock). I don't know how old you are, or your field of expertise, but MS used to also have undocumented API's (closed API's just like Google has for YouTube) and they were forced to release those to everyone due to their dominant OS position.

    In other words, Google is in exactly the same spot MS was...MS knows this...they set the bait...sprung the trap...and now the fall out will commence. As I said, Google is screwed.
    05-16-2013 08:26 PM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    Well if Google really want to stop MS, they should just set fire to the MS headquarters and kill all their employees, while also releasing a virus to all PCs that causes them to blow up. With no staff, no buildings, and all PC's blown up, how can MS recover? They would have absolutely nothing then.
    Hmmm, that seems a bit extreme.
    05-16-2013 08:32 PM
  22. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Hmmm, that seems a bit extreme.
    It definitely is, but you can't deny that it would get the job done. LOL.
    05-16-2013 08:34 PM
  23. omniusovermind's Avatar
    Why does MS have to offer a page for EU users to download any browser they want, when their are other "viable" OS's on the market and anyone can simply download them? It's simple, and you clearly lack an understanding of competition laws and regulations. Any company holding a dominant position in an industry can't go out f their way to force lock-in on their products. Period. This is THE reason why MS got hit in the US and EU and why they had to change and do things like the browser download page and..da da DA!!!!...OPEN THEIR OWN API's (I know...shock). I don't know how old you are, or your field of expertise, but MS used to also have undocumented API's (closed API's just like Google has for YouTube) and they were forced to release those to everyone due to their dominant OS position.

    In other words, Google is in exactly the same spot MS was...MS knows this...they set the bait...sprung the trap...and now the fall out will commence. As I said, Google is screwed.
    Let me ask you something - were the competing browsers currently violating MS's TOS when MS was forced to release those? You're also comparing a browser baked into an OS itself with a web service that's already available to WP8. Youtube is not completely inaccessible on WP8 without this recent app, so I don't see your point.
    05-16-2013 09:04 PM
  24. smoledman's Avatar
    A cartoon I thought I should share
    This is pretty much reality.
    05-17-2013 02:04 AM
  25. falconrap's Avatar
    Let me ask you something - were the competing browsers currently violating MS's TOS when MS was forced to release those? You're also comparing a browser baked into an OS itself with a web service that's already available to WP8. Youtube is not completely inaccessible on WP8 without this recent app, so I don't see your point.

    I hate to tell you this, but a TOS means squat in court. It really does. And other browsers were completely accessible from Windows via download. You don't see my point because your trying to hard to believe Google is in the right and it's perfectly ok for them to do what they did. I'm telling you, legally, it is not. MS found out the hard way, and they setup Google to be in the same boat they were in.
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    05-17-2013 04:45 AM
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