12-12-2013 12:59 AM
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  1. Hawkhe's Avatar
    Nokia's main market is in the EU and in the US is limited to mainly AT&T so things are a bit more limited. Nokia was including the keyboards with the tablet on launch as well as AT&T offering it for 199 when you buy a Windows Phone.

    The 2520 is a much more beautiful tablet and has a more powerful OS. If you were going to switch brands I would go to the Surface 2 since it comes with a keyboard, and you can buy at bestbuy and take back with no questions asked. Also you should of picked up the Venue for 199.00 which would still be a good deal. MS is selling those at a loss to promote 8 inch Windows 8.1 tablets. Personally I am holding out for a more high end 8 inch 8.1 tablet.
    12-09-2013 08:48 PM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    I wouldn't get rid of it. Nothing wrong with owning both. Teach your OCD some manners.
    12-09-2013 08:52 PM
  3. Hawkhe's Avatar
    I don't understand why Nokia limited its products so damn much. I hope Microsoft fixes this when they take over. How do you get the Nokia flip case for the 1520? I can't find where to order it.
    12-09-2013 09:00 PM
  4. naplesbill's Avatar
    I don't understand why Nokia limited its products so damn much. I hope Microsoft fixes this when they take over. How do you get the Nokia flip case for the 1520? I can't find where to order it.



    I picked my case up at the store when I bought the phone.





    Sent from my Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
    12-09-2013 09:16 PM
  5. phasar's Avatar
    Nokia's main market is in the EU and in the US is limited to mainly AT&T so things are a bit more limited. Nokia was including the keyboards with the tablet on launch as well as AT&T offering it for 199 when you buy a Windows Phone.

    The 2520 is a much more beautiful tablet and has a more powerful OS. If you were going to switch brands I would go to the Surface 2 since it comes with a keyboard, and you can buy at bestbuy and take back with no questions asked. Also you should of picked up the Venue for 199.00 which would still be a good deal. MS is selling those at a loss to promote 8 inch Windows 8.1 tablets. Personally I am holding out for a more high end 8 inch 8.1 tablet.
    The Venue Pro was a target of opportunity. The 2520 was also to a extant, no deposit on at&t. The surface 2 was definitely my top choice.
    12-09-2013 09:27 PM
  6. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Yes
    12-09-2013 09:29 PM
  7. dosto's Avatar
    I am currently debating a similar decision. Surface 2 or iPad Air. I like the productivity aspects of the Surface 2, but the iPad is to the tablet what Windows is to the Desktop, IMHO.
    12-10-2013 12:11 AM
  8. rakesh1995's Avatar
    Nope iPad air is better. Alteast sell it for a windows 8 tablet

    Sent from my Uuusumm Lumia 520 using Tapatalk
    12-10-2013 07:41 AM
  9. poddie's Avatar
    I don't understand why people are so anti-RT. Why do you want to install desktop apps on a consumption device? I prefer RT on my tablets.

    And I can't stand Apple or it's products, so no need for me to comment on that one.
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    12-10-2013 08:10 AM
  10. mesazoo's Avatar
    I tried to get the Dell Venue Pro 8 for $99.00 before they sold out. No luck. I purchased a 2520 from at&t (being shipped)and I thought I had salvaged my day, only to find out later you presently can't purchase a keyboard cover. As soon as it arrives I'm returning it for an iPad mini. It just seems like Apple just gets it right. How the hell do you promote a product and release it without one of the main items and have no availability date for the essential item?
    If you wante the Venue Pro why not get it instead of the Mini? It is still on sale for $199, cheaper than the Mini.
    12-10-2013 08:36 AM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I go Microsoft for my ecosystem (always), and all my devices (currently) because they're the ONLY company that supports all three platforms.

    I can get office, skydrive, bing and outlook on iOS7, Android, or WP8 no problem.

    Google only supports iOS and Android

    Apple only supports Apple
    Until Microsoft support Linux, I can't use their services as one of my computers runs Linux. I will have to stick with Dropbox and Google. Nice one Steve!
    Last edited by anony_mouse; 12-10-2013 at 09:42 AM.
    12-10-2013 08:37 AM
  12. rakesh1995's Avatar
    I don't understand why people are so anti-RT. Why do you want to install desktop apps on a consumption device? I prefer RT on my tablets.

    And I can't stand Apple or it's products, so no need for me to comment on that one.



    people are anti rt. Because at the price of rt you can get a windows 8 which is far more better.

    Why people will pay?





    Sent from my Uuusumm Lumia 520 using Tapatalk
    12-10-2013 09:27 AM
  13. ohgood's Avatar
    I can use the ecosystem on any platform I choose. I can't do that with either Google or Apple.
    I see now.

    it's a preference for Microsoft's ecosystem of office, sky drive, etc. more than an application store full of alternatives.

    cool
    12-10-2013 10:12 AM
  14. michail71's Avatar
    Until Microsoft support Linux, I can't use their services as one of my computers runs Linux. I will have to stick with Dropbox and Google. Nice one Steve!
    Does the web client for Skydrive work?

    Things could be supported a little better in Linux if the developers there didn't have such an anti Microsoft agenda. They are trying to keep the dreams of the 1990's alive.
    12-10-2013 10:23 AM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Does the web client for Skydrive work?
    I expect so. I didn't come across a website that doesn't work on Linux for a decade. But given that Dropbox and Ubuntu One have proper clients for Linux, why would I use SkyDrive?

    Things could be supported a little better in Linux if the developers there didn't have such an anti Microsoft agenda. They are trying to keep the dreams of the 1990's alive.
    What stops Microsoft making SkyDrive for Linux? Skype is available so they can't have any problem in principle with supporting Linux, and as Dropbox is available and works well, I don't see any technical problems.
    Of course, it's Microsoft's choice whether to put time and effort into this, in the same way that Google don't support all their services on WP. And as a customer, this may influence whether I can (or choose to) use their services.
    12-10-2013 10:33 AM
  16. luk3ja's Avatar
    nope keep ur ipad. ur ipad will still receive updates for a long time to come. the future of windows RT is not known. what if they choose to stop supporting it.. or what if ms tells oems that after wp and rt merger old tabs cant be upgraded?
    Nokia said they chose RT because it increased the devices life span because they clearly knew that Windows Phone will be replacing RT eventually
    12-10-2013 10:57 AM
  17. naplesbill's Avatar
    people are anti rt. Because at the price of rt you can get a windows 8 which is far more better.



    Why people will pay?








    Sent from my Uuusumm Lumia 520 using Tapatalk



    That is not really true. Most of the cheap Windows 8 tablets have junk older Atom processors. The bay trail devices are coming though.

    Even with a better processor, x86 devices will still be susceptible to all the legacy problems that can sometimes plague windows devices.





    Sent from my Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
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    12-10-2013 11:02 AM
  18. rav16's Avatar
    I am currently debating a similar decision. Surface 2 or iPad Air. I like the productivity aspects of the Surface 2, but the iPad is to the tablet what Windows is to the Desktop, IMHO.
    Same here . Iam from India Apple launched the air here , went again today to play around with it . Had seen one previously at bangkok . Again for the second time I dint get that wow factor from it . Iam already using a iPad 2 .

    Surface 2 is un fortunately not launched here nor the 2520 . This time mostly I will be not buying the iPad . Will check the s2 and 2520 in real when I come to USA and will go for either of them .

    My frequent used apps are browser , mail , YouTube , Facebook , photo editing apps . And the windows store. Have all the apps of my choice . Plus the added functionality I will get with the USB port is priceless . And also the ability to download songs from the web .
    12-10-2013 01:19 PM
  19. sonus's Avatar
    people are anti rt. Because at the price of rt you can get a windows 8 which is far more better.

    Why people will pay?
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    More is really a matter of perception. Win non-RT devices you significantly get worse battery drain (yes even on atom), your ability to forever update windows and have decent battery life are limited to driver support (just now I am troubleshooting why my Vaio Duo's battery life cut in half after the 8.1 update), and you have to deal with antivirus/antimalware/spyware potential issues. All of that is stuff I'd rather not deal with on a tablet. Its time consuming enough as it is on my main PC. Why would I want 2-3 PCs with those potential issues?
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    12-10-2013 01:44 PM
  20. Hawkhe's Avatar
    More is really a matter of perception. Win non-RT devices you significantly get worse battery drain (yes even on atom), your ability to forever update windows and have decent battery life are limited to driver support (just now I am troubleshooting why my Vaio Duo's battery life cut in half after the 8.1 update), and you have to deal with antivirus/antimalware/spyware potential issues. All of that is stuff I'd rather not deal with on a tablet. Its time consuming enough as it is on my main PC. Why would I want 2-3 PCs with those potential issues?
    With i5 processors yeah you get worse battery life, the new Atom quad cores you see 8-10 hour battery life. Only reason, I gained battery life on all my devices when 8.1 hit, my Surface Pro and Alienware did not have any issues, but my Asus needed to do a fresh install to fix driver errors. Some PCs when upgraded will get a crap ton of minor issues that is best and easiest fixed with a clean install. Tablets and new PCs are designed to work more efficient with Windows 8.1 so you will not see any of those issues. I don't know where people get virus and malware issues with 8.1 from I do all kinda of abnormal things online that makes me vulnerable to attacks and I have yet to have issues that couldn't be fixed by running a simple antispyware program.

    If you have no use for installing programs Windows RT is the right choice and RT devices are more powerful for the price since they use top of the line cell and tablet processors.
    12-10-2013 04:30 PM
  21. kristalsoldier's Avatar
    As others have pointed out, it completely depends on what floats your boat. I have three tablets - the iPad4, the Nexus10 and the Surface 2 (which was preceded by the Surface RT). The thing is that I use the tablets for different things. Thus, for example, I use the iPad4 as a dedicated e-reader and only occasionally to use a banking app. I use the Nexus 10 only for watching movies and I use the Surface 2 for everything else - browsing, Office related work. The Surface has effectively replaced my laptop (though I do have a Win 8 desktop machine, which is a 2-monitor set up that I find myself using less and less).

    Arguably, I can probably cut down on one tablet. If I was to do so tomorrow, it would be the Nexus 10. This is because I can use the Surface 2 to watch movies. The 1080p screen is very good - at least for my purposes. But I would hesitate to get rid of the iPad. Why? Simply because of (1) the aspect ratio, which to me is the best suited for reading e-books - various formats; and (2) some of the best reading apps that I have found are in the iOS store (personally, I use PDF Expert for working with PDFs, which I find myself doing most of the time and iBooks for ePUBs).

    But if I could find a Win RT device which has a 4:3 aspect ratio, then I would seriously consider also dropping the iPad. But I must have a good app (in the Windows store) that can handle PDFs. ePUBs is not so much of a problem.

    The point that I am making, therefore, is simply this: It completely depends on what you need to get done and what you want to get done. I have found when buying technology, while there is a natural tendency to buy stuff that one thinks one likes, it is probably better to buy the stuff that one can use to satisfy a need. Less regrets that way.
    12-10-2013 05:03 PM
  22. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I agree that 4:3 is better than 16:9 for tablets. 16:9 is better for watching widescreen videos, but on a tablet, nothing else.
    12-10-2013 05:20 PM
  23. sonus's Avatar
    With i5 processors yeah you get worse battery life, the new Atom quad cores you see 8-10 hour battery life. Only reason, I gained battery life on all my devices when 8.1 hit, my Surface Pro and Alienware did not have any issues, but my Asus needed to do a fresh install to fix driver errors. Some PCs when upgraded will get a crap ton of minor issues that is best and easiest fixed with a clean install. Tablets and new PCs are designed to work more efficient with Windows 8.1 so you will not see any of those issues. I don't know where people get virus and malware issues with 8.1 from I do all kinda of abnormal things online that makes me vulnerable to attacks and I have yet to have issues that couldn't be fixed by running a simple antispyware program.

    If you have no use for installing programs Windows RT is the right choice and RT devices are more powerful for the price since they use top of the line cell and tablet processors.
    -A fresh install is time consuming if you have a lot of 3rd party software.
    -8-10hr battery life is questionable - take for example the Dell Venue Pro 8, its battery life drops significantly once you adjust the super low brightness
    -Yes, if you really need an x86 app, than RT is worthless to you (as is any tablet running a mobile OS), however unless there is something you NEED, RT is a great choice, and possible the better choice
    -I'm guessing that despite the fact that you do "weird things" online, you are a sophisticated user that won't run an unknown exe or allow a random plug in to install.
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    12-10-2013 05:25 PM
  24. Hawkhe's Avatar
    Yeah Windows 8 store lacks a single app that can handle all ebook types, I have to use 2 to handle it all. I couldn't find any justification to keep an Android and iPad tablet since both handle the same jobs with similar efficiency.
    12-10-2013 06:16 PM
  25. Citizen X's Avatar
    That's really something only you will be able to determine. It all depends upon your needs and which device will fulfill those needs best. Nobody else knows how you use a tablet, so other people cannot make the decision for you.
    I love it! First reply sums it up. I am a diehard windows guy and I dabble in hackintosh but I would never say MSFT products are universally better for everyone. I am lukewarm on tablets in general but they do have their uses. If you are a consumer of media and you really like the iOS apps I would not dissuade someone from using an ipad Mini.

    I also should have mentioned that the adobe flash support on the RT devices means you don't need an app to do a lot of things other tablets do need an app for.
    This can't be emphasized enough. A lot of the need for apps is you simply can't use a lot of websites properly on devices that don't support flash. Once you have flash a lot of apps are useless. I will agree that one nice thing about some apps is they are touch optimized. On Windows RT and 8.1 there are things that are tiny and fiddly. You can pinch to zoom web pages inside of browsers but the menus of the actual browser in desktop mode has tiny menu items. Of course you can web browse in touch mode or whatever Redmond calls it.


    Of course if you want productivity Windows is king. I am kitting out my Dad's Nokia 2520. Here's what I have done so far. I have ordered the micro HDMI adapter. I bought the micro USB adapter. I have a new Logitech keyboard/mouse wireless combo. I put in for the free keyboard/USB port/battery case. This guy is going to be able to go to work and hook his tablet up to a 20+ inch monitor, full size keyboard and mouse, and a USB printer. Oh, and he has Microsoft Office on his tablet including Outlook... for free. That is a very different experience than an ipad mini. An ipad mini has apps Windows doesn't have and Windows does things ipads don't so you really have to analyze your needs.
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    12-10-2013 07:07 PM
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