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  1. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    04-20-2015 08:39 PM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Near the end, before they brought in Elop, Nokia was a mess. Once iOS/Android gained traction, Nokia smartphones lost ground fast. Like BlackBerry fast. Then there was the mess of operating systems. Symbian, MeeGo and Maemo were way too many operating systems to juggle. Elop even said that Nokia needed MeeGo out years before it was released and that they focused on the dumb-phone market for far too long. Nokia wasn't ready for the ecosystem war due to a lack of forward thinking. IMO, it will be interesting if Nokia has learned from their mistakes. And yes, I've seen the N1. It seems very "me too," IMO.
    I am well aware of what happened in Nokia. They fell victim to the 'we're too big to fail' nonsense. Had their fingers in too many pots and kept doing the 'Nokia' thing. Which continued with their making of WP I might add. I owned several Nokia devices prior to the L920.

    Nokia had an ecosystem of apps happening well before Apple even thought of creating the iPhone. You could say essentially Nokia was the creator of smartphones, they just got too caught up in other things and lost the plot. It happens. Whether you think Elop was great or not depends on your point of view.

    As for the 'me too' comment you could say the same thing about MS with WP or any other OEM making an Android device. Whether Nokia's name is good enough to still woo the customers is a question mark.

    Do I think Nokia has the ability to make great hardware still and make do well in this very over saturated market? Answer is, I don't know. My guess and it's only a guess that they'll target emerging markets first and maybe see about releasing in their strong markets first like India, South America, Australia and possibly the EU. It will really come down to the hardware they release and the experience they can bring.

    If they decide to release a phone that is. Right now it's all speculation until I see the hardware.
    04-21-2015 03:43 AM
  3. sumton's Avatar
    I never liked Android so no I wouldn't it's either Microsoft or Apple, I would even consider blackberry over Android
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    04-21-2015 04:32 AM
  4. D M C's Avatar
    In a first place I bought Lumia because it was Nokia phone not because it was WP.

    So, yes if Nokia move to Android I'll definitely buy that phone.
    04-21-2015 04:51 AM
  5. LumiaWorld's Avatar
    In my case, I also bought my Lumia because it was a Nokia. But unexpectedly I also became an MS fan because of it. Now I am having a hard time on which among these two companies will I support more. I cannot support both because I am not that rich to buy two phones lol
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    04-21-2015 05:31 AM
  6. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Well nokia of the old is no more... The full team is now in microsoft. They may probably licence the name to foxconnn or something...
    But yeah if they make a real flagship with market leading camera and specs why not?
    I don't care if its android... google makes sure android users have top class experience atleast with their apps...
    04-21-2015 05:38 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Well nokia of the old is no more... The full team is now in microsoft. They may probably licence the name to foxconnn or something...
    But yeah if they make a real flagship with market leading camera and specs why not?
    I don't care if its android... google makes sure android users have top class experience atleast with their apps...
    The 'full team' is not with MS. They closed the Nokia plants and some of the designers left and laid off other employees.

    This is what happens when you merge with another company.

    I still don't get the devotion to Nokia though. Yeah I liked their products but I wouldn't say they were the best.
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    04-21-2015 06:01 AM
  8. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    The 'full team' is not with MS. They closed the Nokia plants and some of the designers left and laid off other employees.

    This is what happens when you merge with another company.

    I still don't get the devotion to Nokia though. Yeah I liked their products but I wouldn't say they were the best.
    well some companies develop an enduring following..dont exactly know how or why..
    nokia has made some exciting and innovative products in their history especially in the camera department. they may not have always made the best phones but they have made some pretty great phones which gained cult status.
    look at apple? can we say they always make the best products? yea they make great products,but u can say their products are always the best? i don't think so...but look at their following?

    some companies are able to get the love and admiration of masses...dont know exactly why ,but only few manage to do it...Nokia was one of them..
    04-21-2015 06:13 AM
  9. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    well some companies develop an enduring following..dont exactly know how or why..
    nokia has made some exciting and innovative products in their history especially in the camera department. they may not have always made the best phones but they have made some pretty great phones which gained cult status.
    look at apple? can we say they always make the best products? yea they make great products,but u can say their products are always the best? i don't think so...but look at their following?

    some companies are able to get the love and admiration of masses...dont know exactly why ,but only few manage to do it...Nokia was one of them..
    I've used a lot of Nokia products. Phones, headphones and other devices. I know they're OK. I wouldn't say they're spectacular. Their sound tech was good but somehow got shelved when they concentrated on cameras. The camera tech has gotten better but so has the competition. The main camera designer went to Apple if my memory is correct.

    Why they're popular? Nostalgia probably. Thing is, even if they make phones again it will be an up hill climb. That's if they even release their phones where you can buy them. They only released the N1 in China.

    However, this is besides the point. If you're only on WP because of Nokia you're on it for the wrong reasons. Wanting Nokia to make WP again is probably not going to happen. Everything they've done recently has been with Android. If you're moving to Android because of Nokia then I'm at a loss as to why you bothered with WP anyway.

    As I've learned in life. With products things happen. They get changed, 'updated'. They create a replacement. They stop making it completely. This is the reality of our consumer driven economies.
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    04-21-2015 06:28 AM
  10. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    I've used a lot of Nokia products. Phones, headphones and other devices. I know they're OK. I wouldn't say they're spectacular. Their sound tech was good but somehow got shelved when they concentrated on cameras. The camera tech has gotten better but so has the competition. The main camera designer went to Apple if my memory is correct.

    Why they're popular? Nostalgia probably. Thing is, even if they make phones again it will be an up hill climb. That's if they even release their phones where you can buy them. They only released the N1 in China.

    However, this is besides the point. If you're only on WP because of Nokia you're on it for the wrong reasons. Wanting Nokia to make WP again is probably not going to happen. Everything they've done recently has been with Android. If you're moving to Android because of Nokia then I'm at a loss as to why you bothered with WP anyway.

    As I've learned in life. With products things happen. They get changed, 'updated'. They create a replacement. They stop making it completely. This is the reality of our consumer driven economies.
    honestly why are u deciding right and wrong reasons for me and others?many people bought windows phone coz it was a nokia...and nokia was making only WP then..so since they wanted a nokia they were willing to try WP..for those people it was right reason...u have no reason to judge it as wrong....

    and who said i was hoping nokia would make a wp ?why i bothered with wp? because of reasons i mentioned above...and more over microsoft apps were better on wp and their were many features i could have only on WP..at this point none of those is there anymore...
    so i don't think u need to judge peoples reason for using a wp..
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    04-21-2015 06:43 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    honestly why are u deciding right and wrong reasons for me and others?many people bought windows phone coz it was a nokia...and nokia was making only WP then..so since they wanted a nokia they were willing to try WP..for those people it was right reason...u have no reason to judge it as wrong....

    and who said i was hoping nokia would make a wp ?why i bothered with wp? because of reasons i mentioned above...and more over microsoft apps were better on wp and their were many features i could have only on WP..at this point none of those is there anymore...
    so i don't think u need to judge peoples reason for using a wp..
    I see that English isn't your first language. Allow me to clarify.

    I am not judging people are stating they are right or wrong or telling anyone what to do.

    I am simply saying that if you're on WP solely because Nokia made WP then you probably came on it for the wrong reasons.

    I know this also because I was on it from the initial release of WP8.0 and I remember all the unhappy people complaining, like they still do today. Nothing has really changed in the approximate 3 years of WP8.0 with regards to users complaints.

    That is all. WP isn't for everyone, especially those who want 'the latest and greatest'.

    If you think Android or iOS is better than that's fine. I really don't care. I'm platform agnostic and I'm OEM agnostic as well. I buy what suits me.
    04-21-2015 06:58 AM
  12. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    I see that English isn't your first language. Allow me to clarify.

    I am not judging people are stating they are right or wrong or telling anyone what to do.

    I am simply saying that if you're on WP solely because Nokia made WP then you probably came on it for the wrong reasons.

    I know this also because I was on it from the initial release of WP8.0 and I remember all the unhappy people complaining, like they still do today. Nothing has really changed in the approximate 3 years of WP8.0 with regards to users complaints.

    That is all. WP isn't for everyone, especially those who want 'the latest and greatest'.

    If you think Android or iOS is better than that's fine. I really don't care. I'm platform agnostic and I'm OEM agnostic as well. I buy what suits me.
    let me clarify and im out..
    for me i chose WP for the right reasons as far as im concerned..what u think wrong may be right for others...
    and as for users complaining ,i can't talk for them..for me WP was the best option at that time..some exclusive apps which i needed were there only for WP in our country, best office apps in a phone, mix radio app, the camera, it was the best option for me at that time regardless of NOKIA name( yea it played a big part too.)
    the same can't be said now..all the exclusive features which were there for WP are there in better forms on other platforms including microsoft services..
    right now only thing that keeps me on WP is the 1520..i bought it when it was released at full price ,no contract...and with the price i invested in it i want to hold on to it for bit more esp since its not failing me hardware vise..
    04-21-2015 07:07 AM
  13. Dr Sammy's Avatar
    I'll give you one example, Y makes pizzas, Z has the masters who bring recipes to it, What Y was expert at was they had a team and famous place to make it.
    Now Imagine, Z bought the place and the team(most of them) and they already have master minds behind unique recipes.

    Now Y(with NO place left) asks X's to make pizzas at their places but when they are selling it, they label with Y.

    But the actual worthy piZZas went with Z.

    Y is Nokia here, Z is Microsoft.
    This is just a basic representation. I hope you guys understood the situation Nokia is in right now.

    I brought a Nokia Lumia 720 in 2013, because it was first a Nokia and more than that its a windows phone.
    Now you guys might ask me ... why a WP?
    I would say why not? The OS is good, user inteface is cool. The OS is future proof, windows 8 to 8.1 to 10. I know 7 was left out.
    You talking about apps? This is a tricky question. How many of us use most of the android apps?
    I use my mobile for basic phone use, apps which are work related, Office(brilliant), Onenote, Evernote, Office calls ?? Skype is integrated.
    Games? I'm not a gamer, I would rather prefer a explosive workout. Ok this one is too personal, you guys can game.... W store has games too
    Camera? Carl Zeiss Lens, ABSOLUTE STEAL, what else can I ask? Compare a 5MP/ 6.7 MP of Nokia with 8MP from other non-premium devices.

    I bought a Lumia 535 recently, I intentionally didnt buy a Nokia 730, 630,530 just because its NOKIA (I dont mean NOKIA IS BAD), I wanted to move ahead, be in the current line.

    Lumia 535 is a great phone.

    And its not a rule that Nokia will do great with Android phones and top the list, look at where is Sony now.
    Its a very competitive world, Best strategies, Best pricing, Aggressive pricing, Aggressive marketing is needed.

    P.S. I'm not a NOKIA hater or Android hater, I will tell a logic why a WP for a guy like me, See Android has a huge market, so almost everyone has it, IOS? people look at it as class symbol and buy it, and yes its a great mobile, even iPhone are quite a lot in urban areas, to have a unique mobile i choose Windows, with fancy colors, Cyan? I never expected five years back mobiles look cool in it. 720 was launched at that time, I bought it, a Cyan and its a very wise decision, I love it absolutely.

    At the end of the day, it really matters upon a user. one might just go with Android and choose Samsung over others or just prefer an aggressive pricer like Xiami. Or flexible among Android devices.
    One goes with iPhone
    One goes with Windows that too only Lumia
    One is flexible to try any Windows mobile.
    Nokia has loyal customers and Android has incredible following among masses n premium mobiles, I would be great combination.
    I'm the one who I mentioned three lines above ''One goes with Windows that too only Lumia''. Cheers :)
    04-21-2015 09:23 AM
  14. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    The only way I will buy another Nokia phone is if WP ceased to exist. For me during this current smartphone moment in time, WP on any hardware > Nokia with Android
    I've owned three Nokia smartphones and they all had hardware problems. This fascination that Nokia makes killer hardware is bunk, similar to Apple making rock-solid anything, which is also not true.
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    04-21-2015 10:07 AM
  15. Dr Sammy's Avatar
    I have read a lot about Screen replacement issues, which take half amount of a mid range device in Nokia, I dont know what other brands charge.
    But, if you observe... thats the amount a latest Entry level Smart Phone can be bought.
    People think of Economics too.
    04-21-2015 10:12 AM
  16. nohra's Avatar
    There is no chance I would get an Android Nokia. I use Windows Phone (or Windows phones as they will become). I happen to use a Nokia 920 just because it had WP8 on it. My next phone will likely be a Microsoft Lumia 1030/1040. So while I am impressed with my Nokia 920, I only have it because it was a Windows Phone. I know there's people that use Windows Phone because they wanted a Nokia, but that's not me.

    I would get an iPhone before I got an Android unless of some horrible happenstance, no matter who makes it.
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    04-21-2015 10:15 AM
  17. Don Geronimo's Avatar
    The main reason I loved Nokia phones in the past was very simple: it was very difficult to find a penta-band phone (albeit, nowadays penta-band 3G is not too worrisome because of 4G LTE). I'd be able to carry my E7-00 around the world, plop in local prepaid SIM cards, and be reasonably sure that I'd always have access to phone calls, texts, e-mail, calendar, Skype/SIP/Lync, and other basic things I would need to stay communicating. That rationale ... Really isn't there anymore, but my brand loyalty is, even if it's just a curiosity.

    I don't think I would get a Nokia smart phone in the future, but I would be very interested in what they would come up with. I could see them taking advantage of their work with the Nokia X, or perhaps taking CyanogenMod for a spin. I doubt they'd try to do a different OS this time around, though.
    04-21-2015 10:57 AM
  18. Live2Deliver's Avatar
    Trust whatever pre-MSFT-bought Nokia like my 1020, or 1520, 930 for now. the rest is up to the future to decide.

    nuff said. but personally unless one day Android swaps their terrible engine for something closer to WP, I won't be getting another Android, Nokia or not.

    And does anyone have any idea here how to get rid of PowerManagerService.WakeLocks on LOL-iPoop? it is keeping my phone awake 100%. *Android problems. Rooted or not*
    04-21-2015 11:03 AM
  19. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Why choose when your under no obligation to use either as a daily driver?

    Simply, just use both as with the beauty of the cloud (onedrive) everything can sync from one device to another - the mobility of the experience.

    If I was to get one, I would probably root it and change certain defaults :P.
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    04-21-2015 11:35 AM
  20. anon(9226130)'s Avatar
    So why I'm chooses WP? Because Nokia.. And if Nokia creates a new phone with good design and launcher, (Not like Nokia X, X is a **** phone) I choose Nokia with Android. But I loved WP and I will using my Lumia as my secondary phone. Sorry for my bad English.
    04-21-2015 11:46 AM
  21. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Heck no. I'm a Lumia fan. Not a Nokia fan. Give me my pureview and Lumia exclusives.

    I'd never use android if I can help it. It's awful. If Lumia went away because Microsoft sropped making them, I guess id have to settle for one of HTC and Samsung barely supported products before I moved to android.
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    04-21-2015 11:57 AM
  22. andraeseus's Avatar
    It;'s hard to tell. Nokia and Microsoft seem to be trying to find their way. its no telling what the marketing retards at their respective departments will do. I vowed never to buy a windows phone again after windows mobile 6 and went back to Nokia and Symbian. Loved the n900, the n9, n95 etc. However, with M$ buying Nokia I had no real choice in the matter as I desired nothing from Android and Apple. It forced me to give windows another look. I passed on wp7 (happy I did) and made the plung with a unlocked developer edition Lumia 920. Best camera ever. next was the 810, and then the 925, and finally a Lumia 1520. But now.. Nokia is adopting android and Microsoft is doing hardware. I am again about to meet a cross road. I will have to make a big decision. Microsoft wants a navigation experience like android and Apple. Nokia just wants to be relevant and appear to be desperate in there plight. tough decision. It will prob be Nokia android phone. I have come to love wp8 and cant wait to see how the convergence with wp10 and tablet/laptop/desktop devices. Ok ok, I got it. I will stick with windows even though I appreciate Nokia's innovation through out the years I cant trust them. They are not the same company that they once were. I need a big company with brick and mortar stores and official support. those of you who know maemo 5 no hat I mean. Never again am I shipping a phone off to Palco for repairs and waiting weeks to hear anything from them. So yeah, convergence, big company with official support.. that's enough for me to stick with windows. If I have spare cash I may get another nokia as a hobby or something.
    04-21-2015 12:12 PM
  23. theefman's Avatar
    Always been a Nokia fan, from the days of the 8200. However I never bought one of their Symbian phones once I got on to WM so there's no chance I would buy anything of theirs running android. WP8 (not Hamburger OS) or nothing!
    04-21-2015 12:13 PM
  24. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Well nokia of the old is no more... The full team is now in microsoft. They may probably licence the name to foxconnn or something...
    But yeah if they make a real flagship with market leading camera and specs why not?
    I don't care if its android... google makes sure android users have top class experience atleast with their apps...
    Someone above you already posted a link that absolutely proves the "full team" is not at Microsoft.

    04-21-2015 12:55 PM
  25. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Personally? I'd have to see what they're offering in features and specs. Then take a good long look at their take of an Android interface. If they cough up something like the N1 Tablet they recently released. I'd certainly consider them.
    04-21-2015 03:31 PM
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