Are Apps over rated?

jimmy1one

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I'm having an issue with all the rage regarding apps. I want to interact with my contacts not with the phone. We task the phone just as we task any computer system it comes down to a group of feature sets, speed of implementation and reliability not how many app are in the marketplace. BWT most or what I need should be included in the OS as standard functions not features. What we have here is a glorified personal assist IMHO a grand idea long awaited. If you believe that's the case then implementation is sorely lacking in the OS, admittedly WP 7 does a better job but still there seems to be a disconnect?
 

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It depends on your personality I guess. My wife has hundreds of apps installed on her phone and claims to use them all. I'll take a good mobile site any day.
 

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Personally I think an app bubble is developing. The need for an extensive app library will lessen as the OS itself becomes more feature rich. Just look at Mango and how much it can do right out of the box. Overtime the major operating systems (Android, iOS, WP7, Blackberry) will become less reliant on apps to "complete" their eco-system. The things people will, within reason, want to do with their phone will be baked right into the OS. That's going to leave a lot of app developers on the outside looking inside. There's going to be a huge fallout when customers no longer need a specific set of apps. And like any bubble, once it bursts the only devs that will be left are the biggest and best. That's just my unscientific opinion. :D
 

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There is a limit to what you can build straight into the OS before it starts to become cluttered.

Many different people have different needs, and these needs are met by quite a variety of apps.

If these apps could somehow integrate themselves with the OS so that it starts to blur the line between OS and app. That's the goal that WP is working towards.
 

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if you like apps get an Iphone ( IOS = app launcher )

if you want reliable and easy to use = WP7 ( most stable OS )

if you want customization get an Android... ( most Custom ROMS and UI )

if you want to do E-mails + BBM get a Blackbery.... ( only true push )

if you want a OS that doesnt Update , get WEBOS ( LOL sorry i had to add it )

what the H*LL is symbian? (seriously .. huh? lol . )


that’s it ,, that’s all.... lol
 
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Yeah, but most people don't want just a couple of features, the want a mixture of all of them. I got a WP7 because it was something new, I'm re-upping my contract with another WP7 because I get the apps I want, it's easy/fun to use, I like the basic customizing that can be done [need more tile color options though], and the text/chat integration [need more services though]. All in all, WP7 give me the best mixture the best feature.

if you like apps get an Iphone ( IOS = app launcher )

if you want reliable and easy to use = WP7 ( most stable OS )

if you want customization get an Android... ( most Custom ROMS and UI )

if you want to do E-mails + BBM get a Blackbery.... ( only true push )

that?s it ,, that?s all.... lol
And iTunes sucking on Windows doesn't help the iPhone either. :)
 

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in todays time, smartphones are more than just phones... they do it all, basically small computers. so average smartphone user would expect all of those things! every platform has its own "nitch" as self creation shared with us, but more and more people are expecting a bit of it all. i knwo i do... **** when the retail for as much as tablets and full blown pc's, we should expect it. but are apps over rated? maybe too much emphasis put on what apps are available, but there is dfefinately a high demand fro quality apps , so i would say no
 

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I agree with the idea that an "app bubble" is forming. More and more functionality is being integrated into the OS itself. GPS/maps/navigation, barcode/QR/visual search, social network integration, email, IM, etc. are all becoming standard parts of any mobile OS. (EDIT: and of course MS Office is even part of the WP7 OS)

Meanwhile, mobile web browsers are becoming far more powerful and integrating standards like HTML5, as well as vastly improving Javascript performance. LOTS of apps are just fancy ways of pulling content off the internet. I have apps on my phone for WPCentral, Engadget, IGN, Weather Channel, IMDB, Flixster, Stock Watch, Twitter, Facebook, etc etc etc. With the exception of apps that use Live Tiles, I see no reason why any of these apps will exist a few years from now. All of that content, with all of the app-style bells and whistles, will be just as possible to do in your web browser.

I think there will always be some market for apps, but nowhere near as big as it is now. If all your app does is aggregate/present information from the web, it will be basically useless before too long. And, if your app is some piece of basic functionality with widespread demand, it will get integrated into the OS itself before too long.

We are rapidly approaching a future where it doesn't matter if your OS has 30,000 apps vs 300,000 apps vs 3,000,000.
 
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The answer is, absolutely. Nielsen recently released a study that described the top 50 Android Apps Account for 61% of ALL apps used. ALL apps.

Not 300,000, not 200,000 and not even 30,000 currently in the WP market. But 50 apps account for 61% of all apps people spend their time with and my guess is all 50 are currently sitting within the 30,000 WP app market has. Well, 29,999. I still want Words With Friends and I understand it's coming. lol.
 

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The answer is, absolutely. Nielsen recently released a study that described the top 50 Android Apps Account for 61% of ALL apps used. ALL apps.

Not 300,000, not 200,000 and not even 30,000 currently in the WP market. But 50 apps account for 61% of all apps people spend their time with and my guess is all 50 are currently sitting within the 30,000 WP app market has. Well, 29,999. I still want Words With Friends and I understand it's coming. lol.

And I'm guessing that slots 1-49 is different versions of the Facebook app. :D
 

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Apps are worthless and they are valuable. It all depends on what you like. The ability to add apps is valuable as it allows you to add a feature which perhaps only a relatively small number of people want. Don't forget that games are technically apps. Does everybody need Angry Birds built in on their phones? My son would say definitely yes. In the end apps allow me to have my phone my way. I see today that Navigon is coming out with an app. The nice thing is that I can get that one if I prefer it to one of the others. Alternatively I can just stay with the built in maps if that serves my needs.
 

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I think a smartphone needs to have a solid list of basic features right out of the box - a solid stable UI, an enjoyable UX, and good calendar, email, tasks, memos, and SMS/MMS built-in apps.

The iPhone has a good mix of all of these, as well as a strong set of apps, but it's only available in one form factor. Android has multiple form factors but a mediocre UI/UX. A user can hobble together a usable Android smartphone by using all the third party apps to compensate for the missing built-in functionality but the results aren't always as stable as they can be with built in apps.

WP7 has a great UI/UX, great integration of email and, in Mango with workarounds, calendar support. The third party apps are growing and MS seems to really be working hard/spending the money to make it grow in the areas that consumers want. I wish tasks and memos were handled better, as I use these constantly for work. I know there are third party apps for both and there is the synchronized OneNote app, but that requires opening the Office hub and then OneNote. I would like for OneNote to be pinned to the start screen, along with Tasks. (I think that might be the case in Mango, FYI, but I'm not sure)

Anyway, back on topic, apps are important up to a point. If one maker has 100,000 apps and another has 300,000, does it really matter? With numbers that large, most, if not all, of the most popular apps will exist in both environments. As stated earlier, the top 50 apps make up well over half of those used so the real key is to have the RIGHT MIX of apps, not the most. But just as megapixels became shorthand for how good a camera is, the number of apps has become shorthand for how functional a smartphone is. The reality is that I'd just as soon not have 10,000 fart apps available to me but I don't want to deny other the subtle variations and tonal qualities found in the plethora of flatulence simulators in the Android and iPhone app stores.
 

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The answer is, absolutely. Nielsen recently released a study that described the top 50 Android Apps Account for 61% of ALL apps used. ALL apps.

Not 300,000, not 200,000 and not even 30,000 currently in the WP market. But 50 apps account for 61% of all apps people spend their time with and my guess is all 50 are currently sitting within the 30,000 WP app market has. Well, 29,999. I still want Words With Friends and I understand it's coming. lol.

Have a link handy for this, I'd like to read it?
 

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I think a smartphone needs to have a solid list of basic features right out of the box - a solid stable UI, an enjoyable UX, and good calendar, email, tasks, memos, and SMS/MMS built-in apps.

The iPhone has a good mix of all of these, as well as a strong set of apps, but it's only available in one form factor. Android has multiple form factors but a mediocre UI/UX. A user can hobble together a usable Android smartphone by using all the third party apps to compensate for the missing built-in functionality but the results aren't always as stable as they can be with built in apps.

WP7 has a great UI/UX, great integration of email and, in Mango with workarounds, calendar support. The third party apps are growing and MS seems to really be working hard/spending the money to make it grow in the areas that consumers want. I wish tasks and memos were handled better, as I use these constantly for work. I know there are third party apps for both and there is the synchronized OneNote app, but that requires opening the Office hub and then OneNote. I would like for OneNote to be pinned to the start screen, along with Tasks. (I think that might be the case in Mango, FYI, but I'm not sure)

Anyway, back on topic, apps are important up to a point. If one maker has 100,000 apps and another has 300,000, does it really matter? With numbers that large, most, if not all, of the most popular apps will exist in both environments. As stated earlier, the top 50 apps make up well over half of those used so the real key is to have the RIGHT MIX of apps, not the most. But just as megapixels became shorthand for how good a camera is, the number of apps has become shorthand for how functional a smartphone is. The reality is that I'd just as soon not have 10,000 fart apps available to me but I don't want to deny other the subtle variations and tonal qualities found in the plethora of flatulence simulators in the Android and iPhone app stores.

I agree. I keep saying the majority of those buying smart phones are not that sophisticated but those in the android world, with nothing but a PC to compare anything with insists the clamor must be running the tiny-est of apps on the biggest hardware you can get.
 

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I agree with the idea that an "app bubble" is forming. More and more functionality is being integrated into the OS itself. GPS/maps/navigation, barcode/QR/visual search, social network integration, email, IM, etc. are all becoming standard parts of any mobile OS. (EDIT: and of course MS Office is even part of the WP7 OS)

Meanwhile, mobile web browsers are becoming far more powerful and integrating standards like HTML5, as well as vastly improving Javascript performance. LOTS of apps are just fancy ways of pulling content off the internet. I have apps on my phone for WPCentral, Engadget, IGN, Weather Channel, IMDB, Flixster, Stock Watch, Twitter, Facebook, etc etc etc. With the exception of apps that use Live Tiles, I see no reason why any of these apps will exist a few years from now. All of that content, with all of the app-style bells and whistles, will be just as possible to do in your web browser.

I think there will always be some market for apps, but nowhere near as big as it is now. If all your app does is aggregate/present information from the web, it will be basically useless before too long. And, if your app is some piece of basic functionality with widespread demand, it will get integrated into the OS itself before too long.

We are rapidly approaching a future where it doesn't matter if your OS has 30,000 apps vs 300,000 apps vs 3,000,000.
Sharksandwich you and Dizzymaker seem to have grasped my question so let me refine it a little more. Would you guys at this point, knowing what you know, go out and buy a stand alone GPS system? Would you take your Desktop on vacation to have access to your DVD collection. Or how about paying for a browser or email program. MY answer is no to all three questions, a no brainer's no brainer. If you break down what you really want your personal assistant to do why are we reinventing the wheel with all these app that have proven alternatives on the full blown OS?
 

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Just look am I onto something or have we been taken like I said
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I don't see an "app bubble". But apps may look different in the future than they do now.

With the launch of Windows 8, Microsoft is pushing for Web Apps. These are apps created using a combination of HTML5 and Javascript. And maybe some special APIs available that allow it native access to to certain functions in the OS. And phones will eventually be able to take advantage of these apps.

So there will be a lot of apps that will be primarily web based as opposed to being on your phone.

But in general, apps are software. And there isn't going to be a software bubble. Because as the abilities of the platform change, new different kinds of things will be available to do. We'll start seeing apps with functionality that we currently only imagine PCs doing.

Eventually, mobile devices might serve as PC replacements for those that don't need a huge amount of power. We may just have docking stations that we plug our phone into. And in a few yrs, I wouldn't be surprised if our mobile phones were as powerful as some of the i3 laptops on the market right now.
 

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my answer is no to 2, i mat still take my laptop, but not for a dvd collection, more so for bigger display while web browsing. i think that there is a demand for "quality apps" given we dont need fart machines and finger doodles, but apps like garmin gps replace a stand alone gps system... apps like pandora replace the need for xm or sirus radio subscription. apps like kik messenger eliminate the need for unlimited texts plans.... so there is a demand for "quality apps" however back to original point, there are a lot more important features on a phone than its app selection, like hardware, OS, and stability...
 

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