Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

[inteller]

I just got a Lumia 900 for $150 clear and free. Before that I got a Titan for a $100. Those of you complaining about the Lumia becuase you are under contract....well you all are chumps. You are chumps for signing a contract and you are chumps for paying ATTs outrageous fees. I have a $150 phone 2 months old on a $45 unlimited plan. In the grand scheme of things I could care less about upgrades, because 2 months after WP8 comes out I will no doubt have ANOTHER brand new phone for $150...no contracts and no regrets.

The PROBLEM is the carriers and their lock in contracts. Get rid of those and bring the phone prices down and no one will care about lack of upgrades in a year.

Stop being a chump and give the contract carriers money.

 

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

I just got a Lumia 900 for $150 clear and free. Before that I got a Titan for a $100. Those of you complaining about the Lumia becuase you are under contract....well you all are chumps. You are chumps for signing a contract and you are chumps for paying ATTs outrageous fees. I have a $150 phone 2 months old on a $45 unlimited plan. In the grand scheme of things I could care less about upgrades, because 2 months after WP8 comes out I will no doubt have ANOTHER brand new phone for $150...no contracts and no regrets.

The PROBLEM is the carriers and their lock in contracts. Get rid of those and bring the phone prices down and no one will care about lack of upgrades in a year.

Stop being a chump and give the contract carriers money.

Dunno how you're doing it... I paid ?440 for my phone off-contract.

 

[inteller]

eBay and patience. There is always someone looking to offload something they bought last month.

 

[fogel35]

No they clearly stated that wp7.8 will have more features. Than the start screen. It would be the software side of wp8. Which I expect to be a a lot of features maybe more than mango. That was a developer event. The would be a event for consumers. So I don't think the would be a problem

You are setting yourself up to be disappointed. Your definition of "feature" and their definition of "feature" are more than likely different.

They are calling apps features or at least Nokia has been. Flip to mute, camera+, PlayTo, etc are going to be their "features". The start screen and customization is going to be their "features". Not a better built in VoIP, instant messaging, 3D mapping, enterprise hub, IE10, etc is not going to be in 7.8.

Any new presentation is going to be all Windows 8. They are not interested in going backwards but forwards. This is their last shot to make a mobile OS that gets market share. They struck out with WinMo and now Windows phone 7. Not to mention they have a track record of orphaning users. Do not get your hopes up.

 

[Budule]

I find all this out 31 days after i get the 900 (yes , 31 days....1day after my 30 day trial)........i came very close to just throwing it out the window or stomping it to death.....just felt like an elephant mounted me as this is my first smart phone ever and i had my choice of ANY phone in the store, ANY PHONE!!.....i guess what they did was probably "legal" but what can i do?......not a damn thing.....so unless im willing to eat my contract i guess for the next 700 and some odd days i'll use it , but surely, SURELY, they will HAVE to offer the people who bought lumia's some kinda of trade in deal when wp8 comes out.....if not my SECOND smart phone wont have Nokia or Microsoft anywhere on/in it.......and i get all the "well the hardware wont run it" stuff but not being tech savey by any means , i just assumed that a BRAND NEW FLAGSHIP JUST LAUNCHED PHONE with COMMERCIALS and BILLBOARDS and POSTERS all over the walls of the store had a shelf life of more than a few days......

 

[MrSean490]

eBay and patience. There is always someone looking to offload something they bought last month.

+1.

Well I got my Optimus 7 brand new for $180 unlocked because a store was dumping all their stock, excellent deal for me.

 

[mprice86]

I find all this out 31 days after i get the 900 (yes , 31 days....1day after my 30 day trial)........i came very close to just throwing it out the window or stomping it to death.....just felt like an elephant mounted me as this is my first smart phone ever and i had my choice of ANY phone in the store, ANY PHONE!!.....i guess what they did was probably "legal" but what can i do?......not a damn thing.....so unless im willing to eat my contract i guess for the next 700 and some odd days i'll use it , but surely, SURELY, they will HAVE to offer the people who bought lumia's some kinda of trade in deal when wp8 comes out.....if not my SECOND smart phone wont have Nokia or Microsoft anywhere on/in it.......and i get all the "well the hardware wont run it" stuff but not being tech savey by any means , i just assumed that a BRAND NEW FLAGSHIP JUST LAUNCHED PHONE with COMMERCIALS and BILLBOARDS and POSTERS all over the walls of the store had a shelf life of more than a few days......

Yet another worthy attempt at drama.

Your phone is not worthless. Your phone will receive first the Tango update and later the 7.8 update (and potentially a further update after that). Updates = product support. Updates = new features.

It still remains to be seen what features are included in 7.8, aside from the start screen, but if your phone was worthless and you were being betrayed and abandoned and Steve Ballmer was coming round to personally kill your puppy; then you wouldn't be getting an update at all and the 7.8 update would cause your phone to boot in an endless loop of Ballmer, Sinofsky and Belfiore laughing - which would still be one update more than most Android phones ever get.

 

[socialcarpet]

I just got a Lumia 900 for $150 clear and free. Before that I got a Titan for a $100. Those of you complaining about the Lumia becuase you are under contract....well you all are chumps. You are chumps for signing a contract and you are chumps for paying ATTs outrageous fees. I have a $150 phone 2 months old on a $45 unlimited plan. In the grand scheme of things I could care less about upgrades, because 2 months after WP8 comes out I will no doubt have ANOTHER brand new phone for $150...no contracts and no regrets.

The PROBLEM is the carriers and their lock in contracts. Get rid of those and bring the phone prices down and no one will care about lack of upgrades in a year.

Stop being a chump and give the contract carriers money.

You have unlimited minutes and unlimited messaging and unlimited data at 4G/LTE speeds for $45 a month and no contract?

What's your secret?

 

[socialcarpet]

I find all this out 31 days after i get the 900 (yes , 31 days....1day after my 30 day trial)........i came very close to just throwing it out the window or stomping it to death.....just felt like an elephant mounted me as this is my first smart phone ever and i had my choice of ANY phone in the store, ANY PHONE!!.....i guess what they did was probably "legal" but what can i do?......not a damn thing.....so unless im willing to eat my contract i guess for the next 700 and some odd days i'll use it , but surely, SURELY, they will HAVE to offer the people who bought lumia's some kinda of trade in deal when wp8 comes out.....if not my SECOND smart phone wont have Nokia or Microsoft anywhere on/in it.......and i get all the "well the hardware wont run it" stuff but not being tech savey by any means , i just assumed that a BRAND NEW FLAGSHIP JUST LAUNCHED PHONE with COMMERCIALS and BILLBOARDS and POSTERS all over the walls of the store had a shelf life of more than a few days......

It only has a shelf life of a few days?

I didn't realize your phone was going to suddenly stop working because Microsoft announced there is going to be a new OS. :straight:

Did you like your phone before you heard the news about WP8?

Has anything about your phone changed since then?

No.

So why would you suddenly decide you don't like your phone and it's horrible and Nokia and Microsoft are the anti-christ and flip out about it?

Because an OS with features you don't even know about yet, which you never had to begin with is going to come out?

What kind of sense does that make?

Life is too short to get upset about something so inconsequential. It really is.

It's just a phone people.

 

[socialcarpet]

Apps written for WP8 ONLY won't run in WP7.x. That is correct. However, apps written for 7.x will work on Windows 8.

Why would a developer, at least right away, write an app that targets only Windows Phone 8 users, of which there are currently zero, and ignore the tons of WP7.x users? (I know the market share of WP is low, that that still translates into a crap load of devices)

They won't.

People are stupid.

We can barely get developers to make apps for WP7 with 20 million users and now people think overnight there is going to be a massive onslaught of exclusive WP8-only apps when there won't be anywhere near 20 million WP8 phones for a long time, even with the most optimistic sales projections. :lol:

It's amazing how stupid the knee-jerk reactions are in here.

 

[vp710]

You have unlimited minutes and unlimited messaging and unlimited data at 4G/LTE speeds for $45 a month and no contract?

What's your secret?

TMobile Monthly 4G prepaid plans.

 

[Budule]

Yet another worthy attempt at drama.

Your phone is not worthless. Your phone will receive first the Tango update and later the 7.8 update (and potentially a further update after that). Updates = product support. Updates = new features.

It still remains to be seen what features are included in 7.8, aside from the start screen, but if your phone was worthless and you were being betrayed and abandoned and Steve Ballmer was coming round to personally kill your puppy; then you wouldn't be getting an update at all and the 7.8 update would cause your phone to boot in an endless loop of Ballmer, Sinofsky and Belfiore laughing - which would still be one update more than most Android phones ever get.

Bullcrap, it aint got nothing to do with that.....it's about buying a just launched phone that they knew wouldnt handle the new os.....how is this any differant than going out right now and buying a brand new windows 7 machine and 31 days later find out it wont handle 8?.....and if its no big deal, why didnt they make a point of telling people that?......why? because no fool would buy a product like that.....and at least if you buy a windows 7 machine right now they TELL you you can upgrade to 8 for $15.00 so why was this kept on the down low?....anyways, if they dont offer the lumia people somekind of upgrade path then they can keep it.....it was flat out wrong imo............i used to walk around bragging about the damn thing, now i keep it hid in my pocket cause im just one of the fools that bought a 900....you know , the Lumia 900 that JUST came out.....

 

[socialcarpet]

Well no analogy is perfect, but I think mine fits just fine. Eventually your WP7 apps will stop being supported & updated. Sure it will work, but it will be like driving on bald tires that you can't replace.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2

Luckily I don't keep my phones for 5 years, so it won't be a problem. :straight:

 

[socialcarpet]

i used to walk around bragging about the damn thing, now i keep it hid in my pocket cause im just one of the fools that bought a 900....you know , the Lumia 900 that JUST came out.....

That's pretty sad that your self-esteem is that wrapped up in some inconsequential, meaningless material thing like a cell phone. I pity you.

 

[socialcarpet]

Damage control, they are trying to make it look like there's not a dozen topics of people disappointed.

Anyway yeah, Windows Phone 7 needed to die. We need top or the line phones and these weak processors can't handle it. ( lol at all the guys that gave me a hard time because I complained about the phones being too low end and that Apollo was not going to be a real thing). My hunch was right.

Bring Windows Phone 8, bring up the future.

Have you ever heard the expression: "If you have one foot in the past and one foot in the future, you're p*ssing on the present"?

It's a good one. I like it. Basically people like you will never be happy because you're perpetually searching for happiness in the wrong place, where you'll never find it.

You were miserable with Windows Phone 7 before, complaining about this or that feature it didn't have. Now you're resigned to WP7 being dead and counting the days until you can get WP8, sure that that will make you happy.

Here's a prediction for you. Windows Phone 8 isn't going to be perfect either. You will get a new phone with WP8 and you'll be excited about it. You'll love it....for a while. Then you will discover what's not perfect about it. Slowly, but surely those things will begin to drive you crazy. You'll start posting here about those things that aren't perfect, and how you wish they could be and how WP 8.5 is going to fix them and once you have 8.5 you'll finally be fulfilled and happy.

That cycle with continue, on and on and on. But you'll never really be happy or satisfied.

You're not the only one. It's a sad and unfortunate fact of the world we live in. So many people are so distracted from putting energy into the things that really matter in life and they are brainwashed by companies who just want them to keep buying crap. They get caught up in the game. The never-ending game that tells you digital nirvana is just over the horizon. It's just another $500 away. Just another 6 months and you'll be there.

But you never will.

I hope for your sake, you see this nonsense for what it really is one day and you find a way to just enjoy what you have NOW and not invest so much emotional energy and meaning in a stupid piece of plastic and glass that can never love you back.

Go buy a puppy or something man. Seriously.

 

[socialcarpet]

I remember this: many of you are too young to realize but Apple did EXACTLY the same thing in the mid 90s. When they switched from PowerPC chips to Intel an OSX, they basically threw the finger to their ENTIRE USER BASE (no iPod or iPad at the time) and said "Switch or Die". They lost some market share, but they were losing anyway. They had to do SOMETHING to move ahead. Now look at them. This was the perfect time for Microsoft to do this. They proved they had a viable platform worth investing in (WP7 and WP7.5) to themselves AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, their partners. They did it at the time when the viable base was at it's absolute smallest (to avoid pissing off the least amount of people) and before trying to deeply integrate with a dissimilar core architecture (W8). They did this BEFORE everyone switched to W8 (in the next 2-3 years) and to complete their "3 screen" objective. If they did this anytime before this, it would have been questionable if all the resources required would have been worth the tiny marketshare they had before Nokia started spreading like a virus. Anytime after this time, they would have potentially pissed off A LOT more people and done some REAL damage. The change to a W8 core fixes many problems that would have been difficult to counter on other platforms (after all, it's basically a handheld PC with a smaller screen) and gives unique advantages (security, management, develop one codebase, etc.) If you remember, Microsoft rushed WP7 to market because they simply couldn't wait any longer to have even a prayer at getting any marketshare from Apple and Google (hence the new strategy of announcing things to keep people from buying other products even though they are not even close to finishing it for release). People need to stop getting their feelings hurt and realize that this is a business and sometimes hard decisions have to be made. They would have loved to keep dragging us along, but, in many ways, that is what is wrong with Windows as it is. The only difference between Microsoft and Apple is that Apple did it first (because it had to). There will probably be similar results (Apple has 5-6% of PC market, but owns tablets (if it stays true to form), and Microsoft will probably have <20% of phone market, but owns PCs). The difference is, the phone market is much bigger (not many people have more than one or two PCs in their home or at work, but every single person on the planet will soon have a phone), so Microsoft is pushing forward to try to capture that market. Everyone who makes a tool in this age will have to do something to this degree at some time (Look at Adobe Flash, Adobe is moving on and making tools for HTML5 now. The web is a constantly changing animal, more than any of this. What used to be done with .jpegs and .gifs is now done in CSS with code). There are casualties and people left out anytime this happens (Flash developers need new skills to be sure). Now is Microsoft's time.

-Lumia 900 user

Probably the best post in this entire thread. Bravo.

 

[Budule]

That's pretty sad that your self-esteem is that wrapped up in some inconsequential, meaningless material thing like a cell phone. I pity you.

well i couldnt afford a sports car so i went for this.....

 

[petersun21]

It only has a shelf life of a few days?

I didn't realize your phone was going to suddenly stop working because Microsoft announced there is going to be a new OS. :straight:

Did you like your phone before you heard the news about WP8?

Has anything about your phone changed since then?

No.

So why would you suddenly decide you don't like your phone and it's horrible and Nokia and Microsoft are the anti-christ and flip out about it?

Because an OS with features you don't even know about yet, which you never had to begin with is going to come out?

What kind of sense does that make?

Life is too short to get upset about something so inconsequential. It really is.

It's just a phone people.

I will never buy another windows phone again. Do not convince users. Please explain to users that it is not feasible to upgrade to wp8. I guess we were all beta testers for MS.

 

[socialcarpet]

TMobile Monthly 4G prepaid plans.

Ah, OK.

I'd jump on that plan too if I could live with dial-up modem data speeds, especially since the Lumia 900 can't even take advantage of that 200 mb of "4G" speed you get with the cheapest plan before the speed is throttled. You've actually got a monthly 3G plan, technically speaking, and it's not even fast 3G.

I don't like paying $100+ a month for a phone, but if I'm going to have a smartphone, I definitely want 4G/LTE speed to go along with it.

I thought about going with the Lumia 710 and the Monthly 4G plan, since the 710 is designed to work with T-mobiles network, so it can take advantage of their enhanced 3G, and then going with the $70/month plan for unlimited 4G. That is actually a pretty good deal all things considered. In the end though, I just couldn't get myself to like the 710 in the same way I like the 900.

If T-mobile actually sold the 900, so there was a version that actually worked with their fast 3G(4G) network I would seriously consider it. It wouldn't be as fast as LTE, but fast enough.

I'm betting T-mobile will have more Windows Phones before too long though. Maybe next time.

 

[blehblehbleh]

Bullcrap, it aint got nothing to do with that.....it's about buying a just launched phone that they knew wouldnt handle the new os.....how is this any differant than going out right now and buying a brand new windows 7 machine and 31 days later find out it wont handle 8?.....and if its no big deal, why didnt they make a point of telling people that?......why? because no fool would buy a product like that.....and at least if you buy a windows 7 machine right now they TELL you you can upgrade to 8 for $15.00 so why was this kept on the down low?....anyways, if they dont offer the lumia people somekind of upgrade path then they can keep it.....it was flat out wrong imo............i used to walk around bragging about the damn thing, now i keep it hid in my pocket cause im just one of the fools that bought a 900....you know , the Lumia 900 that JUST came out.....

While I understand your frustration, you could look at it more positively and that is by the time you're available for your next upgrade WP9 will be available and if you think about it you'll have even better hardware. For example, I don't know if you watched the video of the summit but Joe Belfiore said that ATT, Verizon, and T-mobile haven't even finalized NFC payments.

I still think Mango users will still get some version of Wallet and IE10 at the very least, just because I can't imagine those being that heavily tied to the kernel. Besides Nokia will still do everything it can to make sure your experience with your 900 still meets a good portion of your daily needs. Plus, at that point of your next upgrade the phone OEMs might diversify their Windows Phone line with even more types of SoCs meaning you could have a phone with even greater battery life than what Qualcomm can deliver with its chips.

I know it seems tough, but there's really a brighter future by the time your next upgrade rolls around (assuming you wait that long heh).