Microsoft is wrong: The new Outlook for Windows is not ready for prime time

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I've personally given up expecting an improvement in the so-called new Outlook. The present Microsoft is all about AI now. If it's not a hot AI application, it's not relevant as far as they are concerned.

I've now switched to Wino Mail. This app is the future of a true native modern Mail and Calendar app on Windows. The main developer behind Wino Mail understands what a first-party mail client should be. While it's still developing and getting improvements, I figure that in a year or two, it'll be a solid replacement for what the mighty Microsoft cannot deliver.
 
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Microsoft does not seem to understand that many users just don't want Outlook at home. They have enough of it at the office and simply want a quick and uncluttered mail client for home - that is Windows Mail.

And don't get me started with elderly and non-computer savvy people that are very comfortable with Windows Mail...

Microsoft is just stubborn, deaf and idiotic about this topic.
 

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I agree with everything Zac said about the new Outlook. I'll add that (at least as of last check a couple of months ago, so maybe these have changed since then), it's no good with mouse and keyboard either:

1. In other apps (Explorer, Desktop Outlook, file dialogs, etc.) if you drag an item to a folder tree and the folder tree is longer than the window so you need to scroll to access the top and bottom, it will start scrolling up or down when you drag to the bottom or top of the visible folder tree respectively. In New Outlook, it does nothing. There is no way to drag and drop to folders not already in view.

The ONLY way to drag and drop to these folders is to first scroll the folder tree to show the destination. How do you break basic drag and drop when ALL other apps handle this correctly?

2. For misspelled words in all other MS apps (and pretty much all third-party apps too), you right click on word that's misspelled and has the red-underline to select the alternative. Or, for those of us who type a lot, we may use keyboard shortcuts to avoid moving a hand to the mouse. That Menu key (that MS is disturbingly removing from the basic laptop keyboard in favor of the Copilot key, but fortunately Shift+F10 performs this same function) serves as the keyboard cursor equivalent to the right-mouse button. New Outlook doesn't support right-click or menu key to select the correct word when on a red-underlined misspelled word.

Instead, new Outlook requires you to left-click on the misspelled word, which means left-click is now harder to use if you just want to select text and ignore the misspelling (such as you always want to do for rare proper names that you don't want to add to your dictionary) . This is a terrible misuse of the left-mouse button, violating decades of established use -- left click to click buttons and select, right click to bring up the actions menu.

Even if you don't mind how this works in New Outlook (and frankly even if MS has fixed this in the latest version of New Outlook), how could any product manager have ever thought this was an acceptable change? Was the thinking by that team, "The way it works in Word, Desktop Outlook, every web-based text box, PowerPoint, Teams, etc. is wrong. We need to change this and show the rest of MS how spell correction should work?"

The fact that Outlook even went into broad testing with those problems scares me that the team responsible for it doesn't care about users and UX. I have reported these myself many times over the past 2 years. I view that as a bigger concern than their failure to get the performance or all features in yet. It's that they actively show disdain for what millions of us are accustomed to. They actively disregarded the standards and precedent of decades of Windows and Windows apps. There is no way there are so many cases of this that slipped through the cracks by accident. It shows a mindset of, "We don't care what users want. We know better what you should want."

And I'm not anti-MS. I happen to think Teams is the greatest product Microsoft has ever released and reflects the best of what modern Microsoft can do. But new Outlook is at the far, far, far other end of the spectrum. It's horrible.
 
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+920 (for the good ol' days when there was an active WinCentral community ;))
I wish there was some way to convince Microsoft of all these, and more, blatantly obvious shortcomings of the "new" Outlook.
I have given up trying to help my tech-incompetent wife who has unwittingly opted into the New Outlook experience more times than I can count, only to be confused and disappointed every time. Her biggest complaint is that [Juno] POP mail is not supported! (but good luck explaining that to a non-geek)
 

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I think it's an absolutely perfect app. Email is overused and abused when so many other more efficient mechanisms of communication exist. Creating a tool that forces people to use email less or reconsider it as their first choice is actually a huge leap forward in product design and a great thing!
 

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The new Teams wasn't ready for the prime time either, still missing features which I used daily and deem essential.

They have most definitely lost the plot and don't care about writing quality software any more.
 
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I've been slowly giving up on Microsoft for private use in these last two years.
I'm stil using the full Outlook on my desktop so that hopefully won't be an issue for a couple more years, and on my cheap win8 era tablet there's now Wino Mail.
Fedora has been a blessing on my laptop for the past three years, and I'm really tempted to put that on the desktop too. MS' offerings have been steadily declining in optimization, UX, and functionality, the only things really keeping me here are Outlook and maybe games, but the games I play seem to be working fine on Proton so who knows...
 
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I agree with everything Zac said about the new Outlook. I'll add that (at least as of last check a couple of months ago, so maybe these have changed since then), it's no good with mouse and keyboard either:

1. In other apps (Explorer, Desktop Outlook, file dialogs, etc.) if you drag an item to a folder tree and the folder tree is longer than the window so you need to scroll to access the top and bottom, it will start scrolling up or down when you drag to the bottom or top of the visible folder tree respectively. In New Outlook, it does nothing. There is no way to drag and drop to folders not already in view.

The ONLY way to drag and drop to these folders is to first scroll the folder tree to show the destination. How do you break basic drag and drop when ALL other apps handle this correctly?

2. For misspelled words in all other MS apps (and pretty much all third-party apps too), you right click on word that's misspelled and has the red-underline to select the alternative. Or, for those of us who type a lot, we may use keyboard shortcuts to avoid moving a hand to the mouse. That Menu key (that MS is disturbingly removing from the basic laptop keyboard in favor of the Copilot key, but fortunately Shift+F10 performs this same function) serves as the keyboard cursor equivalent to the right-mouse button. New Outlook doesn't support right-click or menu key to select the correct word when on a red-underlined misspelled word.

Instead, new Outlook requires you to left-click on the misspelled word, which means left-click is now harder to use if you just want to select text and ignore the misspelling (such as you always want to do for rare proper names that you don't want to add to your dictionary) . This is a terrible misuse of the left-mouse button, violating decades of established use -- left click to click buttons and select, right click to bring up the actions menu.

Even if you don't mind how this works in New Outlook (and frankly even if MS has fixed this in the latest version of New Outlook), how could any product manager have ever thought this was an acceptable change? Was the thinking by that team, "The way it works in Word, Desktop Outlook, every web-based text box, PowerPoint, Teams, etc. is wrong. We need to change this and show the rest of MS how spell correction should work?"

The fact that Outlook even went into broad testing with those problems scares me that the team responsible for it doesn't care about users and UX. I have reported these myself many times over the past 2 years. I view that as a bigger concern than their failure to get the performance or all features in yet. It's that they actively show disdain for what millions of us are accustomed to. They actively disregarded the standards and precedent of decades of Windows and Windows apps. There is no way there are so many cases of this that slipped through the cracks by accident. It shows a mindset of, "We don't care what users want. We know better what you should want."

And I'm not anti-MS. I happen to think Teams is the greatest product Microsoft has ever released and reflects the best of what modern Microsoft can do. But new Outlook is at the far, far, far other end of the spectrum. It's horrible.
This also what puzzles me. Microsoft is a big org and changes lime this has to go through process just like most big companies do. This means collectively Microsoft pretty much think these changes are not just acceptable, but think it's right. But then some middle managers can still overrule or twist some findings to fit their own view, and most if anybody will even notice internally nor can have voice for it.

This new One Outlook project was something promising years ago, but the reality is basically just a web app wrapped into its own window with Chromium as its engine. Then release to prod despite heaps of shortcomings. They dont care the end users because they think people use web version of Outlook, so its okay to just make it's own window of it and pat their back and release it, then just improve what they feel like it while still being anti-good UX.

Our company removed these from our new M365 deployment since its been auto pushed somehow. It had slipped to few machines that users got unlucky this was a new Outlook but found out to be horrible replacement. It wasn't intentional and we quickly get rid of this and finally stopped getting tickets for it. Still it baffles to me this to think even businesses will even like it's current state or even its future state, since the base is already horrible. We are afraid when this became an only option in the near future. Classic Outlook have some many flaws, but it still generally rock solid and does alot of things well, just needs some modernising and optimisation. We didn't ask for web app to fix Outlook Classic problems. Idk who are the Fortune 500 companies demanded this.

Microsoft is clearly still out of touch both consumers and even to businesses. They make some of the really good products, but also we got these really poorly thought out products that we are scratching our heads how these get approved somehow.
 
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I don't think anyone's noted the real reason that they won't switch from their current web app strategy: advertising and tracking. In the EU, Microsoft is required to advise the user of how many other companies the cookie and tracking information is shared with. It's around 700. A regular native app doesn't afford them the opportunity to sell that information, therefore our complaints will fall on wilfully deaf ears.
 

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I don’t think the new Outlook is good enough to be a default email client on any operating system. It's missing features, slower than other native email clients on rival platforms, and basically impossible to use with touch.

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It never was... even Outlook in Windows 98 days was incompatible crap not being able to follow standards properly...

I wonder why people still out up with it if there IA wonderful Thunderbird...
 

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I think it's an absolutely perfect app. Email is overused and abused when so many other more efficient mechanisms of communication exist. Creating a tool that forces people to use email less or reconsider it as their first choice is actually a huge leap forward in product design and a great thing!

What are the tools that improve communication? pushing everything to realtime IM with annoying notifications and constant interruption of the concentration? no thank you...
 
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