Samsung is definitely out of my list...Here's why..

[crystal_planet]

4% market share. They are making a phone for an OS with 4% market share. What do you expect? Nokia had to put all their eggs in one basket so they are in innovate or die mode. I hope to **** China eats up wp8 because if not Nokia is as good as dead.

I expected a little more. HTC is giving more - why not Sammy? I realize Android is their cash cow, but the Ativ is getting little or no press compared to the other two because Samsung is not devoting the resources to get the name out there.

I'm Samsung neutral, but it feels like they're just mailing it in. Samsung treats WP like a contractual obligation - not an opportunity.

 

[Rich Edmonds]

Just thought I'd throw this into the mix:

Russian review shows the Samsung ATIV S can indeed 'bend it like Beckham' | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

 

[tk-093]

Well don't you think Samsung would be interested in growing the WP market share and perhaps dominating it, like they did with Android? They have a shot at having their cake and eating it, too. Why not go for it?

Do they have a shot at having their cake and eating it too?

I mean, Sammy actually has to build devices. Every screen they put in a ATIV is a screen that isn't going into their Galaxy S3. They are also about to start production of a 4" Galaxy S3.

They don't have unlimited production capabilities. They are making a ton of cash from Android, I certainly wouldn't expect them to start ramping down those devices just to try to dominate a tiny market that may or may not take off, or plunking down cash to build more manufacturing ability.

Play it safe with a design they already have and wait and see. Seems like smart business to me. HTC and Nokia NEED to sell their WP8 handsets now, which is why you see them spending more time on the form.

 

[tomatoes11]

If the Galaxy S3 mini specifications are true, I lost some of the respect I had for them. They shouldn't be using the S3 name at all. Although I guess I can live with that since they have to make up that 1 billion they got robbed of somewhere.

If anything, blame Apple, that 1 billion could have easily gone to WP8 instead of Apple's greedy pockets.

Speaking of this, I don't see why Samsung just doesn't call the Ativ S the Samsung Galaxy S3 Windows Phone. Wpcentral will hate Samsung even more for it, but since they already hate a lot, I don't see the harm. It would really help WP8 with a nice sales injection to get the OS started.

Samsung might get a bad rap for cash grabbing by some haters but that is about it. Does anyone see how this could harm WP8(not Samsung) if Samsung called the Ativ S the Samsung Galaxy S3 Windows?

Or they can go for something more subtle like HTC 1x vs the HTC 8x. Although I guess the S at the end of the Ativ is doing just that, it just doesn't seem as obvious. they need a name that implies a stronger tie to the GS3.

 

[X0LARIUM]

I'm sorry but I'm completely with socialcarpet on this one.

Samsung blatantly copied iPhone. And no matter "logic" "philosophy" or "idea" you want to put behind it..Ativ S is cheap as ****.

Just one question to all the pro-Sammy guys...If the Sammy phones are so durable and long lasting, why do most reviewers remove the back cover and bend it for us?

Haven't seen that on any other phone yet...
"Hey look, the cover bends! Doesn't happen on any other phone...so may be its a feature...let's show that too..."

Naaah....I'm done ...

And the HTC ONEx has a very different design from 8x IMHO. might I dare ask what part looks identical??


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[brmiller1976]

Do they have a shot at having their cake and eating it too?

I mean, Sammy actually has to build devices. Every screen they put in a ATIV is a screen that isn't going into their Galaxy S3. They are also about to start production of a 4" Galaxy S3.

Samsung isn't suffering from a supply shortage of SAMOLED screens. If anything, they'd rather have their AMOLED displays going in Samsung-branded phones running Windows Phone than in Nokia or HTC AMOLED devices with Samsung-made displays running WP or Android.

That's what makes all the anti-Samsung agitprop so bizarre to me. The same Nokia and Apple people screaming about how Samsung stuff is cheap, plasticky garbage that is cheaply made are advocating for phones that are half (or more) Samsung components with Apple or Nokia labels tacked on. :/

 

[squire777]

I find it funny how people here have become so loyal to certain OEMs and also so against other OEMs. They are all just faceless corporations in the end so no point being so loyal to any of them.

Some of the comments here about Samsung phones being "cheap" would make you believe that the thing would fall apart in your hand if you picked it up. People said the HD7 was cheap feeling and had poor build quality, but I never felt that way. It's all subjective so why get worked up about such feelings.

 

[tk-093]

Samsung isn't suffering from a supply shortage of SAMOLED screens. If anything, they'd rather have their AMOLED displays going in Samsung-branded phones running Windows Phone than in Nokia or HTC AMOLED devices with Samsung-made displays running WP or Android.

That's what makes all the anti-Samsung agitprop so bizarre to me. The same Nokia and Apple people screaming about how Samsung stuff is cheap, plasticky garbage that is cheaply made are advocating for phones that are half (or more) Samsung components with Apple or Nokia labels tacked on. :/

Good point. It's not that they have a screen shortage, but they can only make X amount of phones per day, so every WP they make is probably one less Galaxy they can make. Then again, I don't have a clue what their manufacturing capacity is. But it's sure fun to discuss.

 

[X0LARIUM]

I find it funny how people here have become so loyal to certain OEMs and also so against other OEMs. They are all just faceless corporations in the end so no point being so loyal to any of them.

Some of the comments here about Samsung phones being "cheap" would make you believe that the thing would fall apart in your hand if you picked it up. People said the HD7 was cheap feeling and had poor build quality, but I never felt that way. It's all subjective so why get worked up about such feelings.

Though i completely get what you are saying, the point is, it is soooo successful. How? Why? I'm not loyal to any OEM honestly (I do have my preferences) but not a "******"...but this one cheap and flimsy product sharing shelf space with other, slightly premium LOOKING devices is a bit of a shocker...


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[twincamfxd]

I thought going to Windows from android would yield a less biased atmosphere with less mudslinging. It seems that there is more angry fanboyism here than on the nexus forum and android central combined. I think everybody should recognize that for a platform with a 4% market share, the more high end phones that are introduced, the better it is for the whole platform. The ativ may not be your cup of tea, but think of the gs3 owners that would consider a WP8 device for its beauty combined with its familiar design. If you don't like Samsung or HTC or Nokia, that's fine. But maybe we should look at the whole picture (WP platform) and respect others choices of device. Just my.02

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[tomatoes11]

Though i completely get what you are saying, the point is, it is soooo successful. How? Why? I'm not loyal to any OEM honestly (I do have my preferences) but not a "******"...but this one cheap and flimsy product sharing shelf space with other, slightly premium LOOKING devices is a bit of a shocker...


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You are not a ******? ROFL

How? Or Why? Maybe because their products are well designed and most people do not need to be "reassured" by a handsets weight to notice when a product is well built.

Let me put it this way. My two Samsung devices, which I put under a microscope like I do all of my handsets, did not possess any sort of gap, creak, or flex whatsoever. They are built extremely compacted and well designed. This is the GS2 and GS3 I am talking about.

Now with the two HTC One X devices that I owned for a short period, the micro slim slots had uneven gaps, the camera lens cover had uneven gaps and sticks out over a short period of time(probably because they chose to place the LED flash right at the gap between the camera lens cover and the uni-body), the micro USB slot had manufacturing marks, and the screens flexed like crazy with a light push downwards.

Also with my gf's Lumia 800, it had the same gaps and flex at the top where the usb flap and sim card tray meet but otherwise extremely solid design.

So after reading about real world examples like this, can you now see why the Samsung is plastic like a McDonalds toy junk can be extremely irritating? It is the equivalent of someone running around and saying the earth is flat when it is round.

A perfect example of Samsung build quality would be comparing it to the older brick Nokia handsets that you could literally throw at a wall without damaging it. It's plastic but it is well made and precision designed.

 

[squire777]

Though i completely get what you are saying, the point is, it is soooo successful. How? Why? I'm not loyal to any OEM honestly (I do have my preferences) but not a "******"...but this one cheap and flimsy product sharing shelf space with other, slightly premium LOOKING devices is a bit of a shocker...


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Why is it so successful? Because even if the build quality is as bad as you say it is, the internals are still pretty darn good, and much better than most other phones currently on the market.

Also, like I said the feeling of cheapness or being flimsy is purely subjective. I have played around with GS3's that belong to my friends and never thought that it felt cheap, or it would break easily etc.

A lot of the bashing of Samsung build quality that has been going on was started by Apple fans when they couldn't knock the GS3 for anything else. Now people just parrot those statements even if they may not be true.

 

[brmiller1976]

I thought going to Windows from android would yield a less biased atmosphere with less mudslinging.

Oh yeah, it's a much fairer environment. We never insult other people's choices here. Well, except for the iPhoneys, Fandroids, CrackheadBerries, webOSaurs and Symbidiots!

('tis a joke, a joke)

 

[X0LARIUM]

You are not a ******? ROFL

How? Or Why? Maybe because their products are well designed and most people do not need to be "reassured" by a handsets weight to notice when a product is well built.

Let me put it this way. My two Samsung devices, which I put under a microscope like I do all of my handsets, did not possess any sort of gap, creak, or flex whatsoever. They are built extremely compacted and well designed. This is the GS2 and GS3 I am talking about.

Now with the two HTC One X devices that I owned for a short period, the micro slim slots had uneven gaps, the camera lens cover had uneven gaps and sticks out over a short period of time(probably because they chose to place the LED flash right at the gap between the camera lens cover and the uni-body), the micro USB slot had manufacturing marks, and the screens flexed like crazy with a light push downwards.

Also with my gf's Lumia 800, it had the same gaps and flex at the top where the usb flap and sim card tray meet but otherwise extremely solid design.

So after reading about real world examples like this, can you now see why the Samsung is plastic like a McDonalds toy junk can be extremely irritating? It is the equivalent of someone running around and saying the earth is flat when it is round.

A perfect example of Samsung build quality would be comparing it to the older brick Nokia handsets that you could literally throw at a wall without damaging it. It's plastic but it is well made and precision designed.

OM F'ing G dude! U just redefined "******"! I had no idea hating one brand made u a ****** of another brand...especially considering the fact that as much as I love HTC, I'm considering a NOKIA Lumia920...So..atta boy!
On a serious note, next time keep personal attacks out of your replies. Or I won't be as polite as this...
And Samsung products are well designed? Lol! Yeah sure...then may be Superman, unicorns and Santa too is real.
All their designs look identical man..look at socialcarpet's post one page back.

The only part i agree is about HTC. I too had one myself & the volume rocker and the power button wore off in a few months.

Like I wrote in bold which obviously went unnoticed, they L O O K & F E E L cheap...(or maybe they are.)

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[X0LARIUM]

Why is it so successful? Because even if the build quality is as bad as you say it is, the internals are still pretty darn good, and much better than most other phones currently on the market.

Also, like I said the feeling of cheapness or being flimsy is purely subjective. I have played around with GS3's that belong to my friends and never thought that it felt cheap, or it would break easily etc.

A lot of the bashing of Samsung build quality that has been going on was started by Apple fans when they couldn't knock the GS3 for anything else. Now people just parrot those statements even if they may not be true.

I come from days when Nokia was the uncrowned king of the cellphone market. I had the Nokia NGAGE, the 35 something (plz forgive me..I forgot the name.) Believe me, those phones were sturdy as ****. I have NOTHING to do with Apple. I speak only from what i have seen and experienced. The phone quality then and these cheap Korean plastic builds are worlds apart. Call me old school or orthodox, I loved that sturdy build. This just feels like an insult to those beautiful memories of those early days...

The internals, like u said, maybe good. But that's not the point...is it?


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[brmiller1976]

I saw Nokia's phones being compared to Volvo earlier. An apt comparison. Volvo hyper-focused on safety, at the expense of styling, handling, and performance.

Some people liked that, but it put Volvo in a niche versus other automakers. A profitable, loyal niche, but still a niche.

WP needs exposure across all the different kinds of phones. That's why partners like HTC, Samsung, ZTE, Huawei, Alcatel, etc. are so important in addition to Nokia.

Nokia owners get their boxy, thick, heavy Volvo-phones, while HTC makes me my sexy Maserati Quattroporte 8X phone, and Samsung makes the Camaro ATIV S, and Huawei builds their Kia-esque Ascend W1, and so on. We all win.

 

[X0LARIUM]

I saw Nokia's phones being compared to Volvo earlier. An apt comparison. Volvo hyper-focused on safety, at the expense of styling, handling, and performance.

Some people liked that, but it put Volvo in a niche versus other automakers. A profitable, loyal niche, but still a niche.

WP needs exposure across all the different kinds of phones. That's why partners like HTC, Samsung, ZTE, Huawei, Alcatel, etc. are so important in addition to Nokia.

Nokia owners get their boxy, thick, heavy Volvo-phones, while HTC makes me my sexy Maserati Quattroporte 8X phone, and Samsung makes the Camaro ATIV S, and Huawei builds their Kia-esque Ascend W1, and so on. We all win.

Fair enough...on this note I rest my case..

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[socialcarpet]

I saw Nokia's phones being compared to Volvo earlier. An apt comparison. Volvo hyper-focused on safety, at the expense of styling, handling, and performance.

Some people liked that, but it put Volvo in a niche versus other automakers. A profitable, loyal niche, but still a niche.

WP needs exposure across all the different kinds of phones. That's why partners like HTC, Samsung, ZTE, Huawei, Alcatel, etc. are so important in addition to Nokia.

Nokia owners get their boxy, thick, heavy Volvo-phones, while HTC makes me my sexy Maserati Quattroporte 8X phone, and Samsung makes the Camaro ATIV S, and Huawei builds their Kia-esque Ascend W1, and so on. We all win.

I think brmiller is stuck in 1976. Volvo's have been stylish for a while and they handle great too.

HTC as a Maserati is hilarious. Hyundai is more like it. Good, but highly derivative of more original designs and not as well made.

Samsung is like Toyota. Utterly uninspiring in the design department, plasticky and dull, but reliable and you know what you're getting.

Nokia is well compared to European car brands. Statistically not always quite as reliable as the Asian brands, but close enough and for many they make up for it with original designs and material quality that exceeds the imitators.

 

[socialcarpet]

You are aware that most of the iconography for iOS was lifted from Palm, right? Along with most of the iPhone engineering team.

Apple apologists complaining that Samsung copied Apple's copy of Palm unfairly should get the world's smallest violin fiddling away.

It is also just an imbecilic argument, because it actually tries to argue that people buy Samsung because they're confused into thinking it is Apple. Which makes as much sense as claiming that people buy Apple because they're confused into thinking it is Palm.

Enough already.

You're aware that Palm inc was formed by two engineers who worked for Apple on the Apple Newton, right?

The Newton did it all and then some WAY before the Palm Pilot and the Palm borrowed everything from it, they just did it in a cheaper, smaller more marketable package.

Nice try though.

If you think the argument begins and ends with the consumer "mistaking" a Samsung for for an iPhone, you've missed the point entirely. You don't need to make a product that is completely indistinguishable from a competitor in order to be in violation of patents or to be blatantly ripping them off. Imitating the style etc.

 

[socialcarpet]

Don't bother with him. He is one of those people that believes everything he reads as long as it suits his biases.

I still can't believe he fell for the before iphone and after iphone slide Apple made. LOL The oldest marketing trick in the book where they pick the 4 least modern looking handsets out 40 Samsung handsets made before the iphone for the first slide, and then they pick the 4 most similar(but still very very different) after the iphone release for the second slide, with one or two of them not even being released in North America. haha sigh.

I am guessing social carpet buys the detergent with 8x the cleaning power of the leading brand even though he has no clue what is being multiplied 8 times. haha